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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: stevensrd1 on September 12, 2010, 05:07:25 PM
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Ive been doing a little experiment for years, every time I do it, it still amazes me. I took a small motor, then took it apart, and on the rotor shaft where there is three contacts, I bend one out and in till it drops off, remember this is not the two main power contacts on the back of the motor, but it is one of the three contacts on the motors shaft, the part that has the coils on it,,then put the motor back together. Oh do this carefully if you try it least you break a coil wire and it wont work. Anyway so this turns the motor into what I call a pulser motor. As power is applied it will make and break electrical contact as it spins. You may have to start this motor by hand, once its started it keeps going. Now to the neat part. I take two batteries 1.5v rechargeable and wire these in series, as a separate circuit so to speak. Then I take three more of the same kind of batteries and wire these in parallel. Now what you do is take the negative of the parallel set and connect it to the negative of the series set. Then you take the positive of the parallel set, connect it to the pulser motor then to the other positive of the series set. Now the motor should be spinning, if not give it a hand start. This thing will run for up to 24 hours but varies, and it will also recharge the three batteries in parallel. So we have two batteries draining, three recharging and a motor spinning. Be sure when starting this experiment your two batteries in series are fully charged and that your three batteries in parallel are fully drained. Here is another hint, you will know you got the pulser motor working right when you can stop it, and it stays stopped, and restart it by hand,,when it is connected to the batteries. This should be simple enough to follow I hope. Enjoy. :)
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Hi
Do you have a circuit or a video?
Regards
Diegra
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Not conclusive about OU if you don't loop your device.
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Hi folks, Hi stevensrd1, I like the idea and have made similar experiments myself, though not exactly as your showing. Meaning i used the tesla switch idea of running a higher voltage into a lower voltage, with a load in between, i just never used a standard motor with a commutator piece taken out. Though i have used coils from a pulse motor that i built as the inline load. Have you tried putting a load on the motor, like a small fan or something. Which would be a better experiment, since most people would have no use for a motor just freely spinning, unless one planned to extract the heat from the motor or something. Thanks.
peace love light
Tyson ;)
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Thank you @stevensrd1!
I have been looking for that motor as a switch for a long time.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg195643#msg195643
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Now my question was:
Could this configuration be a self runner?
Jesus
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Now my question was:
Could this configuration be a self runner?
Jesus
looks fairly simple to build
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Hi Steve..........you say this will run for up to 24hrs.,...at the end of the time are the three dead bats fully charged..........and the two full charged,dead........would a kids race car motor be good for a test........it be great if this works..........shylo
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Any motor would work, if its fixed like in the article, Use any old junk motor. A toy car motor is easier to get apart,, But Im using a little motor I got out of an old cd rom. This motor was harder to get apart and back together,,and has smaller parts,,but seems to work nicely. Really its not the motor thats charging the batteries. I understand you would think it is, but what is going on is the three batteries in parallel,,they act together as if they were just one battery recharging,,as in a single 1.5v battery, but they each take on a charge as if they were separate batteries being charged. Now on the side that is doing the charging, the two 1.5v batteries in series,,these are not acting like one battery as their power is added together, so its the same as two batteries being dumped into one battery. The motor just turns the charge on and off,,or allows it to flow then stops the flow for a moment so nothing overheats. As in if you wired it all together without the motor, dumping that charge from one battery into another to fast will cause overheat,,and that too is a loss of power. Hope that helps,,yes the three batteries take on a nice recharge, you can use your own meter to watch them recharge during the operation,,the recharge is slow,,but goes up a little every hour or so..Yes I have ran the recharged batteries in other things after a charge,,they work nicely.
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Hi folks, Hi steve, well what have your tests shown so far, are the parallel batteries collecting all of what the series batteries put through the circuit and are you swapping to check this. Your added full wave bridge back to the input batteries seems interesting, though not sure how that will react in the circuit. I have built circuits very close to this, though since yours is somewhat different and fairly easy to make, I'll have to give it a try.
peace love light
Tyson
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Hmm,,what to say lol. Perhaps I should just say try it yourself and see, keep a check on your recharging batteries with your meter, as ir runs, and see what you see. If you are asking do I think its over unity, I would say most likely not since common sense would say some energy has to be expended by the motor, however on another note, I think very little energy at all is expended by the motor. And it seems to transfer the energy quite well this way from the series batteries to the parallel batteries. Perhaps its just an unused or undiscovered trick of manipulation of energy, that is very efficient as for energy transfer. If you follow the electron flow theory, which by the way I have some different ideas about, but sticking strictly to modern science, you can see how the path flows. Starting at the negative of the series batteries, out comes electrons, which are pushed or pulled or forced into the negative of the parallel batteries. Remember the parallel batteries act as if they were one single 1.5v battery. So all three recharge as if they were this. Now from here the positive of the parallel batteries must be giving up electrons, as they are pulled from there through the motor and into the positive of the series batteries. And that would logically seem to be the path of electron flow from my understanding, Im not saying I can not be mistaken, just saying. There is a greater push and pull from the series batteries then the parallel batteries. Since the series batteries act as if they are two energies added up,,and the parallel batteries only act as if they were a just one single battery, regardless of the fact that they are three batteries, call it the magic of parallel lol. Its just how batteries in series and parallel differ. So you can understand from that how two batteries can over power one battery and how two batteries can force at least enough as to one batteries charge into the three batteries with not much difficulty at all. So the three batteries in parallel take on a very nice recharge. They can go in as totally drained, and come out recharged as in they will run anything they normally would, and hours later still be working good. Now as to have I swapped the batteries that were recharged and put them back into the power side of my experiment to see if they will work again, yes I have did this, and alternated it a few times since there are three batteries recharging as compared to the two making the recharging happen. Have I kept it up till it just completely stopped working,,no that I have not done. After a few swap's I stopped, Mainly because it takes so long in the first place to recharge.. But I have taken the recharged batteries and used them in other things,,such as my little radio,,or I have ran another motor with it,,or used them in the flashlight..So maybe that says enough, just try it yourself,,and have fun,,If you can improve the experiment,,thats fine too, if not,, nothing is lost,,its just an experiment after all...
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Just remember to give the batteries some rest before you do any measurements on them. Also don't use open circuit measurements. It's quite important as already said in Steorn thread. Here you have some advices:
http://www.mpoweruk.com/testing.htm
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One member we called him General @electricme came with the idea that if you have batteries in series you can charge one of them while the circuit is using the added amount of voltage of the series battery without affecting the voltage flow. Or something like that.
That is why I depicted a rectifier taking ac produced by the motor switch and feeding just one battery from the two in series.
The other one will level with this one automatically.
Jesus
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hi everyone Good day ;D
how about connecting them without a motor or in spite motor, we just connect a light bulb , by just connect the two series battery into a three or four or many paralleled batteries, will a charging effect take place?
since we have 3v -> 1.5v. AND! we don't have close loop here either!, means no drain as if we are energizing caps ;D
OR how about using 9V battery connected into 9 pcs of 1.5v connected in paralleled.
and so forth and so forth ;D
well, just a wild thinking. ;D
otits
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ooops misunderstood ;D
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Yes I have tried it with just a regular unmodified motor. But it did not run long, just a few hours if I recall correctly. And this let to much charge cross over,,so much was wasted in heat and so forth. I have even used a diode so no energy back flows least the two series and parallel equalize, this also was a failure since it only ran a few hours and alot of energy was radiated in heat from the diode. I even ran it with no motor and just the diode with the same effect. It seems as the modified motor allows contact or electrical flow then breaks it. That alone allows the parallel batteries to recharge more fully. However it does take quite a long time, and without a diode "which is best not to use" when equalization begins to happens between the series and parallel the recharging batteries may start to reverse charge, so always a good idea to use the meter every few hours to see how much there recharging. For example on my meter, on DCV it has 2v 20v 200v and 500v. I find if you want to see the numbers actually rise during recharging use the 2v setting on the parallel batteries. Since it reads all three as a single 1.5v battery you can keep up with the 4 digit reading better then say if you have the meter set on 20v. And the numbers do rise,slowly, so its interesting to watch. Im working on some other modifications and trials,,I may report those here in days or weeks to come, we shall see. Feel free to post your own trials here, discussion is welcome.
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you know I did another run with the same setup but instead of the pulse motor,,I used a smaller size cd motor,not the pulse motor,,and seems good results in charging so far. Odd I recall trying that before with worse results. Anyway was just two running the motor in series and two charging in parallel on this test. Both positives from series and parallel bundles went to motor, both negatives from series and parallel bundles connected together, So many ways to try it all right, Of course the pulse motor is good for getting some back emf when using it with a transformer, good luck with the experimenting.
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You know this last experiment is quite a strange one, I spoke of it an article or two up, about two bats draining and two charging with just a regular motor. Anyway from my readings not only are the charging bats charging up nicely but my main draining bats are charging up. I will assume the reason for this is because since my charging bats, the more they charge the harder it is for the main bats to force electron flow, so the slowing of electron flow is showing an increase in power in the main bats, since they would be draining less because of this. Be this wrong or not, the motor which has a glue stick on the rotor, so I can see it spin, shows no signs of slowing from looks, of course I dont have a speed tester to tell. Either way the main bats which I test as they are in the running circuit, show no drain but an increase, as do the charging bats. So this experiment will go on for a while, or till I get tired of it and move on to a new one.
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Maybe I should make this a log lol . Anyway as with the last experiment, I let it run all day and night, and the next morning I wrote down my reading for my series and parallel bats. I did start this one, with just the motor with two fully charged and two fully drained batteries. Anyway I swithed the charging bats with the main bats and let it run another day and night, and I seem to have more of a reading in my main bats this time,,and still got the same reading in my charging bats at the end of the charge. So Im about to switch them for another time, this will be the third day I let them run, I think after this run I will move on to something more interesting. Maybe a bedini circuit since I wanted to make one of them.
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I haven't had the chance to follow everything you've posted on this but when I first saw it this reminded me of the mechanical Tesla Switch. Simplified but it has similarities. I think you are onto something here. Are you using rechargeable batteries like NiMH or other chemistry? Have you seen Patrick Kelly's book in chapter 5? ( Here: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter5.pdf ) He shows the mechanical Tesla switch that was built by Electrodyne and apparently kept 4 batteries charged while running a large motor for a very long time.
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Yes im using rechargeable batteries. But oddly as I said earlier now Im not using the modified pulse motor, Im just using a regular cd motor, and it works better Im starting to think. Since I can swap them over and over between the recharging and main batteries, its what I have been doing lately, waiting for the recharging batteries to recharge, then I swap them with the main batteries, and it repeats but recharging them. The key must be in the series and parallel, the design is the same as on page 1, with the first schematic that I posted there. Im just using two in parallel to be recharged by the two in series with the motor connected to both positives.
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Can I try to apply your idea ?
http://www.free-electric-solution.info (http://www.free-electric-solution.info)
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Yes im using rechargeable batteries. But oddly as I said earlier now Im not using the modified pulse motor, Im just using a regular cd motor, and it works better Im starting to think. Since I can swap them over and over between the recharging and main batteries, its what I have been doing lately, waiting for the recharging batteries to recharge, then I swap them with the main batteries, and it repeats but recharging them. The key must be in the series and parallel, the design is the same as on page 1, with the first schematic that I posted there. Im just using two in parallel to be recharged by the two in series with the motor connected to both positives.
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Can I try to apply your idea ?
http://www.free-electric-solution.info (http://www.free-electric-solution.info)
You can do whatever you want with it,,its just an experiment,,I would not approve of selling it,,or selling the info, I looked at your website,I put it out for everyone,,for free to play with,,or improve or perfect. It wont power your house,,but it is fun to play with as an experiment, and to chat about,,simple as that. If I thought I would get rich off of it I would have sold it only to use the money to make improvements or discover other interesting things,,then to just give those out for free for the betterment and advancement of all. However I know the get rich thing wont work,,and Im sure it wont for you. So do the world a favor and offer it for free to anyone,,it still benefits us all that way, even if you dont get rich on it lol And as I said its a fun experiment to play around with, even kids can do it..
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i will need to print this out to show a friend.
thanks :)
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Hackersclub.net the last part of that printout you just made was a response to khairul6355 that was not a response to everyone. Since the website khairul6355 listed was a site selling the magniwork,,which I have nothing to do with,,nor am I selling anything. You dont need that on any printout since it dont relate to anything about my experiment..Besides my experiment just swaps the energy back and forth a few times, by recharging two batteries at a time, thats all its doing, all tho it is fairly efficient at doing it, and it may have been thought to be impossible to do by some, its not unity or over unity, some energy is lost in the process, so you cant keep it up forever, but it is still neat to swap the energy back and forth between batteries while running a motor...
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Ok here is where Im at now, Im going to switch these bats one more time then this will prob be the last run for this experiment. This is a continuing of the article I posted a few up about switching the main and recharging bats while using a regular cd motor not the modified motor. Its still been running since then, Im still using two 1.5v bats running it and 2 1.5v bats recharging in the circuit, these are rechargeable batteries. Thats the main bats in series and the bats recharging in parallel. I just switched them this morning around 9 am I think it was or something like that,,no make that yesterday morn since its now 12:56 am lol. So this will be the third run. The way I do it is I switch the bats when my meter shows the recharging bats reading while running in the circuit as I call it,,1906 on the 2v setting. if I do a 20v setting check on the recharging bats I have 1.89 v reading. And the main bats read at the time of the switch, 3.35v. And I cant check the main bats on the 2v setting as I get an OV error. Now it says 1904 so Im about to switch them again,,one last run for fun. And the main bats read now,,before this switch 3.41v and I cant check them on the 2v setting least I get an OV error. No I dont think even because the meter shows the main bats a bit higher then they were before that it is over unity. All tho it may seem like it is, the reason being is using digital meters they only show voltage,,and its not showing the amperage which we know is the real power. But I have switched them once on this run and am about to do it again shortly soon as it hits 1906,, Ill keep an update here and let this be the last run on this experiment.
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Ok end of project, Ill half to think of something else kind of neat to mention perhaps lol
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I'll try and duplicate this exp.............when I have time ......this is very interesting ...........but I think the rechargables will eventually die out ........but how long they will last is unknown....thanx for sharing the experience...........shylo
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Have you tried running this using fully charged batteries, all 4 batteries? I wonder what would happen.
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Well so many ways and things to try, its always an interesting experiment for sure. If your interested in some other interesting info, check out my bit elsewhere in this forum, about electron flow in opposite directions along the same wire at the same time, here is the tiny url link --> http://tiny.cc/ipau8 (http://tiny.cc/ipau8)
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news?
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News,,hmm, Ive moved on to a more efficient design, that uses one battery to recharge two. Its all solid state, no moving parts. It might even be unity, or over unity, or it may not be, just closer then before. Still doing test, got some new equipment to test with as well, will make a video as in a few weeks most likely to show the design. Ill post it in a new thread. No Idea what Ill call it yet, give me a few weeks and Ill post the thread link here...
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hi Steve was wondering can I use two non-rechargable batteries to charge up the dead rechargables?.......and you said a cd motor works just the way it is?......cd motor meaning out of a cd player right?.....thanx ......shylo
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I dont see why not,,should be the same difference. Yes I used the pulse motor, which I thought works better cause when the main bats get to weak,,the pulse motor automatically disconnects the main power and stops turning at the same time. But I found a regular cd motor will work,,the only problem here is it dont disconnect the main power, so for a while you will recharge the recharging bats at full power then as the main bats drain,,you will be recharging the recharging bats at lesser power,,and then even lesser as the main bats drain,,which seems to lower the overall recharge. If however you keep tabs on the recharging bats with your meter,,set it to the 2v setting so you get a 4 digit display,,you can then keep a tab on their charging and how much and know when they start to show lower on the meter as in lower and lower instead of higher and higher,,then you should stop the charge..But its a slow recharge but you see the numbers climb fast at the start,,then slower later but they keep climbing as the bats recharge,,give it say 24 hours,,keep a check on your meter, you can measure them at the same time there recharging..Best of luck...
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Oh start out with 2 recharging two,,like in the diagram,,two mains in series,,recharging the two in parallel..Think of that as playing with unity,,then later have two recharging three,,same way as in diagram,,think of that as overunity. It may or may not be,,but its close,,and its fun to play with that way..Im working on a way that may be proof positive unity,,or just closer then here,,who knows,,always got to do more test I got to do lol. And if you discover a better way do it post it for all,,as the more play with such the more it will get perfected.
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Thanx......couple more questions if you don't mind......I notice that you can hook the motor in ethier direction,...spins one way , reverse polarity spins the other.......one way seems to spin faster than the other,...is the faster spin better?....also where to hook the meter in the circut?.....and last but not least is 1906 mv the optimum voltage.....I think it was 1906....when to stop charging?.........got myself some bats out of dead solar lights.....still reading some v....motor out of old cd player.....2 semi-dead bats will spin it..........but not very fast....1906 ....is that 1.96v..........thanx again for your time..........shylo
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As to which way the motor spins,,you know I haven't even considered if that could have something to do with it,,one might think it would considering coil winding and electron flow,,but I really dont know. Meter goes to to batteries being recharged. I just use a pair of alligator clip wires,,that way after I take a reading, And write it down,I usually remove one alligator clip from one meter prong,,just to be sure no flow is by any chance going through meter when Im away. Just be sure the batteries your recharging are fully drained, since were running electron flow in reverse into these, the less resistance the more recharge, but thats nothing new,,when you recharge a battery with your electric recharger your still connecting positive to positive and negative to negative. The way that works is the stronger positive is what pulls electrons out of the weaker positive,,and the stronger negative is forcing electrons into the weaker negative. That way the electrons are taken out of the positive and put into the negative to recharge the battery. Thats all that is happening here,,two batteries in series is more powerful then two batteries in parallel. So the series batteries can do the above to the parallel ones to recharge them..Best of luck, steve
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thanx Steve I'll give it a try tonight with the faster spin hooked...see what happens....I'll write down all readings before I start .......then check at 12 hour intervals..........let you know what happens...shylo
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So "shylo" hows your test going, kind of neat huh. I redid the test last night using just the cd motor,,not the pulse motor,,its still running. Im recharging three 1.5v bats with two 1.5v bats. Here is my readings so far. Oh before I write them, I should mention you ask earlier about that 1906,, that was on my other meter at the DCV setting on 2V so that gave the four digit reading. By the way I just got a new meter the other day, wanted to be sure my readings were correct. Anyway I dont think the new meter is as sensitive as the old one, it has no 2V setting, It does have 20 setting on DCV and next lower then that is 2000m so I used that for the four digit reading on this test. Ok so test started at 9:02 pm,,with a reading on the bats recharging at 1275, I did drain these bats completely on a motor and then crossed the wires from positive to negative to drain any last bit of juice out of them before this test. Ok next reading is at 9:24 pm, recharging bats read 1286,,next is 9:54 pm at 1293,,next is at 10:36 pm at 1300, next is at 11:56 pm at 1308,,next is at 3:25 am at 1322, next is at 5:44 am at 1331, next is at 7:09 am at 1334, next is at 9:49 am at 1340, next is at 11:49 am at 1342,,so you see the three parallel bats are recharging. I should mention on this setting,,if I recharge a single 1.5v bat on my plug in recharger, and measure the bat after cool down,,after the recharge it reads 1386, and sometimes say 20 points or so lower,,thats using the DCV on 2000m setting,,same setting I used on those reading above. I also took each of the three bats in parallel Im recharging out just to temporarily check them individually on my meter,,same setting,,each read 1342,,So if I have three of these at 1342,,seems a bit like overunity if there added up together,,but thats just an opinion,,hope your test are going as well,,do let me know..
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Heres an update to the last article I posted,,the test is still running. The recharging bats are reading 1344 at 7:04 pm. Still going up,,still recharging, But at a much slower rate,,no noticeable speed change on the motor,,I do have a glue stick melted to a plastic thing that sticks on the motor rotor so I can see it spin well. So thats all for now,,prob let the test continue until finish who knows,,I think it proves its point well,,got to be better things to try however,,still working on the solid state battery to battery recharger,,its coming along,,slowly..
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New update,,same deal as mentioned before,,batteries at 1350 now,,time 9:09 pm..
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Ok its 9:45 pm,,I can notice the motor has slowed now,,its still at 1350..So ill end this experiment,I still ended up with three batteries recharged from two batteries all the while running a motor, each of the three batteries is at 1350..And considering a battery recharged on my plug in recharger reads 1386 or less,,on this same setting on my digital meter,adding all three batteries together at 1350,,seems like over unity to me,,still thats just an opinion, this test seems like a success..
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i see now why the two batteries have to be dead and the other two have to be completely charged.
this would be super cool using more powerful batteries and motor(s).
then add an automatic electronic switch to switch between batteries so you don't have to do it manually.
hmm maybe this is how Tesla did it with his electric car, i think he was just using batteries and an antenna. maybe adding the antenna is how he got more power. i don't think he used any kind of switches either, not sure.
exciting stuff!
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As to tesla,,not so sure how he did it,,he may have just sent the energy to the batteries by wireless means,,would need fairly large coils I would assume to do such. And perhaps the car needed a grounding as well. One half of the wave would be radio frequency,,the other half travels through earth, knows a bit on such,,haven't played around to much with wireless. But yes I find it all interesting the possibilities,,if one can just think a bit outside of the books, which seem to say this or that is not possible, when it is...
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Hi Steve ...I started with 4 bats .....#1-1.36v....#2-1.36v..#3-1.26v...#4-.83v...1&2 in series..+ to cd motor...other motor terminal to + on 3&4...-of 3&4 to - of 1&2....ran for 15 hours...#1-1.28v..#2-1.29v....#3-1.37v...#4-1.35v......I'm going to drain 2 of the bats and redo the exp. ...this time with better connections....just used wire and masking tape 1st time.......but there is definately a recharge taking place while running the motor......next time I'm going to try 3 in parrallel....I'll let you know the results......am looking forward to your next design.........thanx .....shylo
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why batteries/caps or whatever when you could dump direct wireless electricity from the Tesla Tower to his electric car?
Tesla electric car had batteries and antenna(s) is what i remember reading about. maybe there is more details i missed.
how he did it was not clear enough for replications.
i think he was actually trying to show his works and his technology was filtered out from the public. you all know about his lab being burnt down, but he kept going and released many great inventions/discoveries!
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Yes shylo its a very interesting experiment, and fun to play around with no doubt.
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I thought Id add a bit more to think about with this experiment. As of last night when my recent post ended on my last experiment. I swapped the batteries. I took the main two series batteries that had drained and swapped them with two of the parallel recharged batteries. Of course this still left one of the original recharged parallel batteries in place since there was three of them that recharged. If you remember or you can read back some. The experiment ended at 9:45 pm with the three parallel batteries recharged at 1350. So like I said I swapped two of the recharged batteries with the two drained series batteries. Just to continue the test a bit further. So this test started at 10:26 pm, with a reading on the parallel bats of 1300, this reading was taken after first start up of the motor. Ill post some of the reading from then to now. 10:26 pm at 1300,,10:32 at 1305,,12:44 pm at 1324,,2:43 am at 1333,,5:14 am 1341,,8:56 am at 1352,,and 9:58 am at 1353,,So thats for the three recharging in parallel,,just thought I would mention that,,kind of interesting I think.
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Another update,,I have noticed the motor a bit slower already. And at 11:39 am Im reading on my recharging bats 1351 now and it was two points higher earlier, before the motor slowed a little. Im thinking Im not going to get much higher, here and the reason is because I have more resistance on the parallel side. Remember in the last post I said I swapped the main dead bats with two of the three recharged parallel bats. However that left one recharged bat on the parallel side, and I think this is causing the resistance and limiting the recharge to more. It has equaled unity if not a point or so over on the meter. But with the one recharged bat that was left on the parallel side,,Im not going to get as long of a motor run then I had the first time. What I should have done was replace that one recharged bat left on the parallel side with a fully drained one and then redid the experiment. I would have had a full motor run like I had the first time then Ill assume,,and no doubt got more of a recharge. The motor is still spinning fairly fast now,,but like I said I noticed some slower spin,,and two points dropped. So I think this relates to all I said above here..Its still unity,,or maybe over,,or at least very close. I enjoyed the experiment,,I may have to repeat it even,,and follow my advice above lol..Which I may or may not post,,as I get lost in many other things, we will see..
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Ok so instead of redoing the whole dang experiment which would take a day or two,,I just swapped the batteries again,,this is twice Ive swapped them,,and I drained one of of those parallel bats completely. This removed the resistance I was talking about earlier. I thought this was going to turn out bad,,cause I took a nap and woke up and the motor was not spinning. But come to find out, it was a simple short in the battery case, And the motor is zooming like it should be,,so here is my readings on this so far. At 12:00 this morn they read 1283,,this was after motor start up. At 12:04 pm 1290,,at 12:26 pm 1292, at 12:45 pm 1295,,at 1:34 pm 1297, at 3:46 pm 1290, at 5:25 pm 1303,,at 6:23 pm 1308,,so this seems like its doing like it did on the first start of this test,,remember this is the second swap of the batteries. So it is self sustaining, with manual swapping of course. I just forgot to drain that third parallel battery on the first swapping which was giving me all the resistance. See Im letting the electrons do all the work,,as they naturally would,,Im just providing the means to keep it all circulating, and this gives me three recharged batteries at the end of each run, and since Im only using two batteries to run it,,Im coming out ahead..Ill post more on this later..
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This is continued from my last post,,all is the same, here is the readings, 6:55 pm at 1312,,8:10 pm at 1318,,8:53 pm at 1321,,9:36 pm at 1323,,10:04 pm at 1325,,Ill post more later
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Just another update,,all is same,,were at 1331 at 12:28 pm---new update as of 1:26 am,,Dont think its going to make it to 1350 this time.
Still at 1331 but the motor has slowed,,the reason I think it did not make it to 1350 is because on that first battery swapping,,remember I did not drain that third recharged parallel battery. So I did not get the full recharge there because of the resistance of that recharged battery in with the other two parallel ones. I did just let it run to finish then I swapped them again,,and on that second swapping,,I did drain that third recharged parallel battery,,but still got loss from the first swapping. Seems its unity at least. I would surely have reached 1350 this second swapping if not for that. I may just redo it all again..and be sure to drain that third recharged parallel battery after each battery swapping,,I should have known that lol.
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Steve you said to drain the bats, you let the motor run dead then short it to get the remaining volts ..........so do your batterys read 0v before you start? My batterys read.8v won't run motor is this dead enough to start test?...shylo
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Before starting the test,,I run the parallel three bats separately on a motor,,till the motor stops running, that can take a while,,Im sure there are other faster ways, then take each bat and cross the positive and negative to drain any remaining charge in them. Best to leave it still connected to a motor even after it stops running for say an hour, then there is no chance the battery will heat any when you cross the positive and negative,,cause its to low to do that then. And even after doing this the meter will still show some voltage in the battery that will rise then stop in time after that,,like say if you kept checking it on a meter. But it will be drained as far as drained goes. Because were just recharging it the same way any charger would. The difference is on a plug in recharger,,when you stick a battery in it,,it dont matter if the battery is drained or not,,cause the recharger has a high enough output to still force recharge,,even if there is resistance..And it still goes positive to positive and negative to negative to recharge a battery, The stronger positive will then pull electrons from the weaker positive, and the stronger negative will force electrons into the weaker negative, it all flows the opposite way from that as it drains or powers something. Doing it in the experiment on this forum its all the same,,we just dont want the resistance that a battery will have with any remaining power in it. So start with the three parallel batteries as drained as you can get them,,and be sure the two series batteries are fully recharged.
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Heres an update on th solid state recharger I been working on, its been running yesterday and today,,but Im just testing things,,its just running one battery recharging one other battery at the moment. Readings on the battery recharging at the moment is 1339. I did drain it completely before the start on a motor. I know this is different then the other experiment which uses two in series as the power source. Im just checking if i can get one battery to recharge another and how full of a recharge I can get. It is using two circuits to do this by the way. And no I did not make these circuits,,tho I have modified one of them. Anyway one circuit is a solar yard light without the solar panel of course,,this is modified with a capacitor. And the other circuit Im using is a circuit I got out of a hand held dynamo recharger,,for usb stuff..You know you connect it to say your ipod by usb then wind the hand crank many times to recharge it..Just using the circuit there,,not the motor they have in it as the generator..So thats the basics of where Im at now on the solid state recharger, all in all its going well for just one battery recharging just one other. Alot more test to do and maybe modifications as well to the circuits to get it to work for recharging say three batteries at a time..Maybe more later on this,,will be a while im sure..
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Maybe this other motor experiment can give you some ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_f1p6V1Gb8&feature=related
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Yep Im aware of such,,nice video still. My original design works wonders for two bats recharging three. However there is energy loss running the motor. And you can swap the batteries, when the source bats drain,put the recharged ones back in the source bats,,or series bats. And put the series bats in the parallel place,,to keep the experiment going. So for the first time it works wonders, but there is a little loss of energy from the motor. So you cant keep swapping after several times, because each recharge this way has energy loss from the motor and it all winds down eventually. Thats why Im working on the solid state battery to battery recharger,,no loss of energy from a motor,,and no doubt you can swap the batteries many more times,,if not forever,,ok maybe not forever but thats the concept. All in all I think ive did very well,,and all is understandable and explained well,,at least I tried to explain it well anyway..Thanks for the vid link..
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Steve, the cd motor experiment, working with common batteries or rechargeable batteries.
Greetings
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Im using rechargeable batteries. There name brand is BTY 2500 it says NH-AA HR 15/51 1.2V size AA HR6 MIGNON NI-HM batteries.
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I posted some pics of the solid state recharger Im working on, Im using one battery to recharge two in parallel on this experiment. These pics were taken after a new restart with the main bat fully recharged and the two in parallel fully drained,,well its been running an hour or so anyway. The pics were not so bad on my computer but after I uploaded them to my freedrive they seemed way darker, so you really cant see much,,sorry. My better camera only does pics until I get the right cable, which I should have in a week. Then Ill do video. I can do video on my older camera but its not so great. Anyway you can look if you want, dont expect much on these pics there just to dark. I did take a snapshot or two of my cd motor experiment running. Oh ignore the messy table lol. Ok so heres the link http://www.freedrive.com/file/1300231 (http://www.freedrive.com/file/1300231) Ill get some good video in maybe a week, when I get that dv cord,,should be bright and clear then.
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Heres some updates. My battery to battery recharger seemed to work well, it was not long after I posted that article a few back when I said the reading was at 1339, I simply changed it to two batteries on the recharging side and in parallel now, it still has one battery as the power source,,but it is not a rechargeable battery. The batteries on the recharging side read 1309, at 12:03 am,,the second battery I put in was completely drained, so everything lowered on the meter. Im still running the cd motor experiment, but its restarted. What I mean by that is I put the main batteries in my 1 hour plug in recharger for about maybe 10 minutes, then I just put them back into cd motor experiment. But on the parallel side I only have two batteries this time,,not three. And they are reading 1360 as of 12:04 am, I should note here that the two batteries this time on the parallel side were not drained as I usually do, I was just playing around this time anyway, so I left them as they were. They seem to be taking on a nice recharge. So both of these experiments seem to be doing well. I can get some video in a week or a little longer perhaps then a week,,it depends. Really you should just try the cd motor experiment yourself. As to the one battery recharging two,,that uses circuits, so Ill half to make a schematic for that I guess later. Ill still get video tho later..
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Ive been doing a little experiment for years, every time I do it, it still amazes me. I took a small motor, then took it apart, and on the rotor shaft where there is three contacts, I bend one out and in till it drops off, remember this is not the two main power contacts on the back of the motor, but it is one of the three contacts on the motors shaft, the part that has the coils on it,,then put the motor back together. Oh do this carefully if you try it least you break a coil wire and it wont work. Anyway so this turns the motor into what I call a pulser motor. As power is applied it will make and break electrical contact as it spins. You may have to start this motor by hand, once its started it keeps going. Now to the neat part. I take two batteries 1.5v rechargeable and wire these in series, as a separate circuit so to speak. Then I take three more of the same kind of batteries and wire these in parallel. Now what you do is take the negative of the parallel set and connect it to the negative of the series set. Then you take the positive of the parallel set, connect it to the pulser motor then to the other positive of the series set. Now the motor should be spinning, if not give it a hand start. This thing will run for up to 24 hours but varies, and it will also recharge the three batteries in parallel. So we have two batteries draining, three recharging and a motor spinning. Be sure when starting this experiment your two batteries in series are fully charged and that your three batteries in parallel are fully drained. Here is another hint, you will know you got the pulser motor working right when you can stop it, and it stays stopped, and restart it by hand,,when it is connected to the batteries. This should be simple enough to follow I hope. Enjoy. :)
This is basicly a motor that runs on 1.5V. The sudden break of the commetators inside the motor will pulse charge the battery, but the energy you use to build up the magnetic field will steal the same amount. Take the resistance and the heat due to loss in the motor, this motor will run on 1.5V pretty inefficient. I guess you have already experienced that this motor did stop after some time with the same batteries.
Vidar
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hi tried another exp. put 2 car bats in series ,..#1-11.6v...#2-10.25V,....put #3car bat 10.75v,..parallel with lawn tractor battery 4.1v...ran the positive of series to postive of radiator fan motor,...ran negative of fan to positive of parallel #3 ....neg. of lawn bat to neg. of series,....this ran for ~3-4 hours ...# 1-10.5v,..#2-4.75v,...#3 -10.25v,...lawn bat 11.95v...put #2 on trickle charge 15mins....10.75v,...usually takes at least 12 hours to do this...plus the lawn tractor bat has been dead for 3 years until now. I'm curious as to why #2 lost so much compared to #1 since they were in series, and why #3 hardly changed, while lawn increased quite abit....any ideas?....thanx ...shylo
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Low-Q Yeah I would say its pretty efficient considering you can run it on two batteries and recharge three batteries with it at the same time. But the posting you copied from was for the altered cd motor,,these last posting, last few pages even are about an unaltered cd motor, since the unaltered or regular cd motor does just as well if not better in some ways.
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No idea shylo,,I been trying to keep it small and simple,,have not worked such on anything bigger then a 1.5 volt battery..Suppose the principal is somewhat the same with larger batteries. You would need all the series batteries at or very close to the same reading to start it all with to get better or more accurate readings, theres a lot of energy swapping going on no doubt.
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Oh by the way I borrowed a video camera so I could make the video now. This video Ill link to here is continuing from the recent articles I wrote about on the cd motor and the solid state recharger. Here is the video, I put it on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi9JWiYIttk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi9JWiYIttk)
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Steve.
You must use a cd motor?
Or you could use a motor of a toy?
Greetings
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Yes I first started the forum topic using a modified motor,,then later went to using just a regular old cd motor..
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Steve:
Can I use a toy motor without modifications?
Greetings
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@Diegra sure give it a try, its just an experiment right.
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This should be interesting. Im trying something different altogether. I got a wii controller and it has a battery in it. Its the kind of batteries you can take out and put them on a wildcharge charger. Anyway the battery has its own build in circuit to recharge the battery, with a blinking light and all. I took that and wired it in reverse. Im using its own battery which is a 3.7v battery to recharge 5 1.5v batteries in parallel.So far my 5 bats read at 1357 which is higher then any of my other readings so far. Its been running since this morning and its 3.7v battery still reads on my meter at 3.64Volts So this may turn out interesting considering Im recharging 5 batteries with it. Ill keep updates posted on how high a recharge they take. I like this wii circuit on this battery it just blinks away bright blue flashes on its little led light. Like I said I wired it in reverse so the circuit thinks its own battery is the input from the wildcharge recharger. And its output goes to my 5 parallel batteries. Kind of neat I think,,like I said ill post updates.
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Ok the wii experiment,,did not turn out so well, ,back to the drawing board lol
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hi I just found out something by accident ,....I'm trying to repeat it now,....hooked 2 bats in parallel,.... to drain for next exp.....but I hooked them wrong ,......pos to pos ,...neg to cd motor,....of one battery,......neg of other bat was to ,...other terminal of motor,...and to pos of both other positives ,.....I had it run for ~4-5hrs.........nothing charged...strange thing was that the volts after running were close to the same value...ran all that time ,but really didn't lose any power.........volts......I not sure though until I get a new meter..takes some time before meter settels down......goes high and then always winds down...before settling.......shylo
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No idea, keep at it and you will figure it out Im sure. Look up theory of electron flow. It flows from from negative to positive, thats when a battery is running something or draining. In the case of the cd motor experiment it flows according to recharging, which is positive to positive and negative to negative, or rather stronger positive pulls electrons from weaker positive. And stronger negative forces electrons into weaker negative. Or again rather it pulls electrons from positive and puts them into negative, which is reverse of draining, Its how batteries recharge by electron flow in reverse. A recharged battery just has more electrons in the negative side of the battery and less electrons in positive side of the battery. When a complete path is formed. Say a battery and a motor only,,electrons flow out the negative through the motor and into the positive. This happens until the positive side of the battery has as many electrons as the negative side of the battery has,,then electron flow is equalized and stops flowing. In the cd motor experiment, the two main batteries in series are stronger then say two or even three batteries in parallel. So the batteries in parallel can recharge. Batteries in series their voltages add up.. Batteries in parallel their voltages dont add up but remain the same. So two batteries in series add up to say about 3 volts or so. Two batteries in parallel even if recharged, will read just 1.5 volts or so. When we fully drain the parallel batteries before a cd motor test, we make them so they can recharge the most or accept the most electrons without as much resistance, because the more they recharge the more internal resistance builds up in them to resist recharging. And by being sure your series batteries are fully recharged before a cd motor experiment we will be providing the most electron force or flow for the longest time, allowing more of a recharge into the parallel batteries. Just remember when a battery drains running something, electron flows one way,,and during recharge flows in reverse..
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Another note to point out, in the cd motor experiment, is we have two circuits so to speak. The two batteries in series are like one circuit, they are operating in the way batteries operate when they drain or run a device. On the two parallel batteries they are like a different circuit, or rather have a different function, they operate the same way batteries do when they recharge, which is reverse electron flow, or reverse from the way the batteries on the series side operate. But we still have a single path of electron flow, which is still from negative to positive. It starts with electrons coming out of the series batteries at their negative, they flow into the weaker negative of the parallel batteries. They then come out of the positive side of the parallel batteries and then flow into the stronger positive of the series batteries, so we have a complete path of flow. So series batteries drain and parallel batteries recharge, and since the electrons flow through the cd motor,,it runs at the same time..
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Here Shylo..maybe this diagram helps you understand better.
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Seems this works on regular alkaline batteries, least it worked well on this experiment I did. I used two double AA rechargeable bats to recharge two triple AAA bats. Readings at 1498,,and still climbing. This is the first time Ive tried it on non rechargeable batteries. The AAA batteries were so drained neither would even run a cd motor before the recharge. I got them out of wii controllers, did not even know they were left in them, they had been in it forever and had no juice at all. Kind of neat..
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Hi Steve ...electrons flow from neg to pos ,...right?.......why don't the negitives just go straight to the positives, within the battery itself, and ignore the circutry altogether......not clear on this..........shylo
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I used to wonder about that,,then I read a bit on how batteries work, I think I get it, but I wont be good at explaining it. You should google it. Im sure some websites can do a better job at explaining it then I can.
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If your looking for proof positive unity, try using the above schematic and recharge three batteries with three batteries.
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This is interesting, how long will it go,,who knows. I ran the recharger two batteries recharging two. Then after the recharge the motor stopped. I thought there must be some power left in those main batteries but how to get it out. Then I rigged two reed switches,,and on the motors rotor where I have a glue stick spinning, I placed a magnet on each end of the glue stick, and wired one of the positives to those,,so as it spins the magnets pulse the motor to make it spin,,its been running all morning like this,,slowly but running,,on what normally on this design would be called the dead main batteries. So its still also recharging the other two batteries if ever slowly now but still doing it..I thought that was neat, half to see how long it can run this way on those dead two series batteries.
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This is interesting, how long will it go,,who knows. I ran the recharger two batteries recharging two. Then after the recharge the motor stopped. I thought there must be some power left in those main batteries but how to get it out. Then I rigged two reed switches,,and on the motors rotor where I have a glue stick spinning, I placed a magnet on each end of the glue stick, and wired one of the positives to those,,so as it spins the magnets pulse the motor to make it spin,,its been running all morning like this,,slowly but running,,on what normally on this design would be called the dead main batteries. So its still also recharging the other two batteries if ever slowly now but still doing it..I thought that was neat, half to see how long it can run this way on those dead two series batteries.
could you post a diagram please
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Oh that last post was about after I recharged two batteries with two,,and the motor stops after it recharges two, because the main bats are then all but drained, so I was just experimenting with trying to get the last bit of juice out of those two drained main batteries, I just rigged up a reed switch which pulsed the motor a bit longer off of the main batteries, I only got half a day of running time out of the drained main batteries. Nothing really interesting about that. I will post two other experiments on here that Im working on,,they show promise,,maybe better then the original cd motor experiment, still doing test tho, trying to get the most out of the design.
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I made my youtube video of the cd motor brighter for those interested. Its at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezkFvz_lU24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezkFvz_lU24)
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For anyone interested or still keeping tabs on the cd motor experiment, I find if you use a capacitor across the motor terminals,,you get more swaps out of it.."I used a 16v 2200uf electrolytic capacitor"..That is swapping the main bats with the recharged bats when the motor finally stops running. I also noticed this way if I say recharge three bats with two bats,,then I take one of those three bats out of the picture,,after a recharge,,then swap two for two,,I get a very good recharge that way,,and can repeat it a few times swapping just the main and drained bats then.
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Might have found a way thats better. using a transformer in parallel across the motor connectors with a capacitor as well, is doing great on the two batteries recharging three design. Trying other things as well,,so many combinations to try lol
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This clip has the same idea of charging batteries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzWdiO_aN2Y
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Kool,,yes the concept works,,no doubt about it,,knows, least knows it does in my design,,which is not perfected by any means, most likely works in that video as well,,thanks.
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Ok Im a bit at a loss now,,I was sure all that was going on here was just a transfer of electron flow, allowing the recharge, with a minimal of loss due to the motor. But now I see the motor is a key component. Tho I will half to do further test to be absolute sure. But I did the same design as in the schematic two batteries recharging three. Except I added a cd to spin on the motors rotor instead of like in my video where I use a glue stick to spin. Then on top of this cd I have another motor facing downward on the cd and connected. Now I wired each motor so they cause the cd to spin the same direction and connected them same as in the schematic but the recharge is off the scales in almost no time..I will need to do further test to be sure. Will try to post something about it later on here.
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Hi Steve ...are you saying you added a 2nd cd motor ....doubiling the load ,....but hooked it to add to the 1st load???............shylo
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Yep two cd motors connected at the rotors, one cd spinning in between them, same batteries as in the schematic,two in series recharging three in parallel,all is same, wired both cd motors so they both spin the cd in the same direction, in effect both cd motors are connected/ wired to each other, much faster recharge this way it seems,,more test to do,,it may not run as long as before,,not sure yet,,just started this one some hours ago,,so its the first test,,I was just amazed at how fast it recharges,,numbers read 1353 already,,with one cd motor that takes almost 12 hours to get that high, or longer,,but like I said got more test to do,,feel free to do your own on it. Was kind of neat I thought so posted it.
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This is very interesting I think. So I restarted the test this morning at 5:40 am,,the reason being I could not get an estimate of full run time since the main batteries I started the experiment with were not fully recharged, I had been using them for a reed motor experiment before that. Anyway So everything is the same setup as I mentioned in the previous post. Still using two cd motors, one on top,,one on bottom with a cd between them, both motors have their shafts connected to the cd motor. It spinning fast as can be and batteries read so far now at 1371. This is not a misreading caused by some stray ac frequency throw off or high voltage, Knows how such can screw up a reading. I even disconnected the recharging batteries to take a reading to be sure and they held at 1364,,they always drop a little when taking the recharger off. So they are recharging far more higher in numbers then my one cd motor experiment did. I will of course repeat the experiment again,,and maybe more to try to figure it all out. I will admit the top motor wobbles a little as its not evenly connected to the cd motor as the motor on bottom is, just used hot glue stick glue to melt the plastic gear part to the rotor. But this seems to cause no overall loss of spin. The top motor just rest there as its wires are strung over and clipped to the top of one of my digital meters tops by a close pin lol. But it hold the motor stable enough so it remains fairly still and cant twist to much. Thats all I can say about it I guess so far,,just did another reading,,time 10:56 on the computer,,recharging bats at 1371 and also did a reading on the main bats,,they read 2.46 since I half to read them on the DCV 20v setting. I read the parallel three batteries as one battery since there all connected on the DCV 2000m setting, I do that so I can see a 4 digit display and can tell if charging is going up or down as its much harder to tell on the 20v setting. Well thats all for now I guess,,will post more after the next run no doubt when this run ends.
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Is it like this?
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The top and bottom part is right,,that side think is not, here is a jpg picture of it, it is not running in this pic. The time test ended on this around 2:00 pm,,so it runs less time then the one motor but recharges more, odd. Hope the pic is viewable,,it was on my camera. I would have got video but I got to get a firewire card it seems. I bought a dv cord, but thats for dv to usb,,my camera dont use that for video. Anyway Ill get a firewire card next month most likely. I have an older video camera that works, but video is not so grand on it.
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Ok I did something new,,the amp test with the digital meter, this is new to me as I usually dont do amp test. Like in the 1 cd motor, I know it works cause the readings are high on the rechargeable batteries and I can just swap the drained batteries with the recharged ones and repeat the experiment again,,and again several times. So I know it gets a real good recharge. I say Im using 1,5v batteries cause they look like them so I call them that. In truth Im using 1.2 volt batteries, they are BTY 2500 NI-MH batteries. I dont understand the amp hour readings here written on the battery but it says NH-AA HR 15/51 1.2V and below that it reads SIZE AA HR6 MIGON. Ok so I looked up how to do the amp test and doing an amp test on one of the batteries I just recharged in the 2 cd motor experiment on setting my meter on DCA 20m setting, with the red wire plugged into 10ADC it reads 2.28 and if I set the meter on 200m setting it reads 22.9 so what thet means I have no idea,,yes I still got things to learn lol. So I did do the big drain test on a recharged battery as well. What is the big drain test you may ask, I use a motor thats very big, it came from a very large remote control car,,one of those kind thats several feet big lol. The motor is like three inches long and 2 inches across, very heavy duty motor. It will drain a fully recharged battery from my plug in wall recharger in like 10 minutes,,yes the batteries get hot doing it this way to drain them. So like I said I did the big drain test on one battery I just recharged in the 2 cd motor experiment, started the drain test at 3:24 pm,,it ran the motor till 3:36 pm,,so it ran a good 11 minutes. Thats about average run time. Again the 2 cd motor experiment gives a better recharge then the 1 cd motor experiment, but I have no idea why!!
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Sorry if I did not read the complete thread due to so many other things on the bench. But I would like to ask one question. As the motor is turning is there any way to look inside the motor with a magnifying glass to see if there is any spark? Also, have you measured the mH of the motor?
Also, have you ever just taken one fully charged battery, put it on a non-modified motor to see how long it will run and feel the torque? Then one fully charged battery on the modified motor to see again how long it will run and feel the torque.
There is one form of energy that is not equated in this and that is momentum of the rotor. Since one commutator is removed, one of the coils will never be energized, so you are running it at half torque but using the momentum of the rotor to complete a rotation.
Sorry again if I butted in, but I like the simple idea of this.
My own belief in such commutator motors is not to remove a commutator but to find ways to add an extra brush set that is located just right beside one of the existing brushes so that when a commutator leaves the feed brush, it enters this new "bleed" brush to unload its flyback. That is where the energy is wasted. We feed energy to energize one set of many motor coils, then take it off line so the feed then goes nowhere.
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Sorry,,you have missed alot by not reading the forum. But I understand there is alot to read. Yes I am now using a regular unmodified cd motor now. To try to make it short and sweet,,from beginning of forum to most recent. I went from using the modified cd motor which worked wonders at recharging the batteries, and ran around 12 hours or more to do the recharge, to using just a regular cd motor which worked a little better and ran around the same time,, to now using two cd motors one on top of the other wired in parallel,,with less run time but more recharging taking place,,if not even somewhere around 90% if not even a full 100% recharge in some cases, and there are times I would swear its even over unity when I recharge three batteries with two batteries. But I dont claim to be the expert on such matters as unity, I just tell it how it is or works,,what my meters show and so forth. And leave the rest to other experimenters to come to their own conclusions. But its all pretty amazing if you ask me. As to is there a spark in the regular cd motor I dont think so,,but there could be a tiny one,,as most motors would at least have that,,even if it cant be seen. Feel free to ask anything else..
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The third thing on my schematic or drawing is a cd motor.
That was what I understood from your previous explanation.
Now we can see the magic of adding a photo to an explanation.
It was a real cd rom disk and I understood a cd motor.
Jesus
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By the way my present experiment,,just a test here,,is I am recharging 5 AA batteries with 2 AA batteries,,the test has been running since 10:07 am this morning, its now 11:23 am and my meter shows the batteries being recharged already at 1330,,this is the DCV 2000m setting,,as I like to watch a 4 digit display reading to have a better detail as to where my numbers are going,,as to up or down. All 5 AA batteries that I am recharging were completely drained on the big drain motor,,your have to read back to get what that is,, then they were crossed positive to negative for a time to remove any remaining charge in them,,as I do my batteries this way as they seem to take on a better recharge this way. I will post the results of this experiment later,,it may or may not be as good as say my 2 on 2 bat experiment or even the 2 on 3 bat experiment,,but then again it might turn out well,,as the numbers keep rising.
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OK, one major thing here and it is very important to know. You should not leave your volt meter on the device. You should run the device for x minutes, then take a "quick" manual measurement then remove the meter terminals and let run for more minutes, and so on. The simple fact that if you leave the volt meter on the device, at the small volt gains or part of the gains you are talking about, could be (not saying it is), caused by the volt meter itself. Quick measurements is the only way to ensure such is not the case.
Also in such cases you need a comparison standard. If you take a 1.5 volt battery fully charged from a real battery charger, measure the volts then put a 1.5 volt bulb on it to see how long it will last. Then write down that run time. Then with your charged battery from the device, do the same test. In many instances such device charged batteries will show it holds 1.5 volts but it does not have the amphour charge of a regular battery charger. The bulb test will show you if this is the case.
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Yep knows,,rarely leaves the meter connected for to long. Also on the one cd motor experiment,,using just a regular cd motor,,not the modified one. I can run it around 12 or so hours on 2 aa 1.2v bats and recharge 2 aa 1.2v bats. Then I can swap the main bats when they drain with the recharged ones and repeat it a few times, swapping like that. Eventually it does run down doing it that way as each recharge receives less energy from some energy loss from the motor. But its still neat,,and first recharge is always almost a full recharge. I have did an amp test some post back,,you will have to look to find it,,sorry. I also ran one recharged battery on what I call the main drain or big drain motor. It is a motor from a remote control car,,these cars are like several feet long,, big cars. The motor from it is like three inches long and around a little over 2 inches width. This motor can drain a fully recharged AA battery from my "wall recharger" in like 10 or so minutes. I ran the same test on a battery I recharged with my cd motor experiment and it ran 11 minutes if i recall correctly,,you can read back on that post. So they are recharging well,,Ive posted numbers and such also back in the post,,its all in there. Now using the two cd motor experiment I get a fuller if not complete recharge but it runs like 4 or so hours,,sorry its alot to read in the post..
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So heres an update on my recent post,,2 AA bats recharging 5 AA bats for those keeping up with the post. The reading is at 1340 as of 1:13 pm so Im starting to think these 5 will take on as good a recharge as the other experiments did,,even if they are lacking some in the end its still a nice run here. But seems to be doing well so far..will post more later.
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Another update, 1345 on all 5 bats as of 2:22 pm,, thats not bad at all,,this run is not over yet. So we have 2- 1.5v bats recharging 5- 1.2v bats,,using the two motor cd setup,,will post more later..
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Update,,time 4:04 pm batteries recharging reading at 1352,, This run is really amazing me,,I would get readings around this number after a full run with the 2 bat recharging 2 bat,,1 cd motor experiment. But I have 2 bats recharging 5 bats in a two cd motor setup,,in this experiment,,if thats not over unity maybe I dont know what is,,either way its a very neat experiment,,and this test run is not over yet.
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Hi Steve when you say you wired the two cd motors in parralel ,...since they are facing each other like in the photo .....one is spinning cw while the other spins ccw ,... because the motor I have spins ethier direction depending on polarity...........still trying to find a 2nd cd motor to try this exp. ......a schematic of new test would be greatly appreciated....not quite sure what the exact layout is......thanx for any advice ....shylo
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First of all,,the update,,I ended the experiment for the 2 recharging 5 bats around 5:20 pm, it did not end up well at all, as I did the big drain test with my 3 inch motor and it only ran about 5 mins. For those who have not kept up with the post,,the big drain,,is a motor I use to drain a single 1.2v battery. It will flat drain a fully recharged battery from my plug in ac recharger in about 10 or so minutes,,and yes the battery gets very warm doing that, but its a fast way I drain them. And I can test the power stored in a battery that way by timing the drain. So I had the numbers but not the power. So it seems I can only go as high as 2 bats recharging 3 and still keep the actual power so to speak,,or should I say amps,,oh well. I will repeat this experiment again just recharging 4 bats and see how that goes, perhaps tomorrow. Still was a fun run. And I still think 2- 1.2v bats recharging 3- 1.2v bats is still very nice.
Shylo,,all is the same thats on the last schematic but the motors are as shown in the picture I took, and you wire the motors so that they both spin the disk in the same direction...
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Thought I would upload a picture of my main drain motor, those reading the post know what I use it for. It will run on 1 AA battery but not very fast, and it will drain an AA battery in like 10 minutes or so. It takes alot of amperage to run this motor.
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Ok,,I may have figured out a way to get two AA batteries to recharge 5 AA batteries. If you kept up with the post,,you know we can recharge two AA batteries with two AA batteries with the 1 cd motor experiment. You also know we can recharge three AA batteries with two AA batteries with the two cd motor experiment. Which does a better job at it then using the one cd motor experiment to do that. You also know that my last attempt to recharge 5 AA batteries with 2 AA batteries did not work out so well, as I got only around half the recharge with that one. Now I been thinking about this and got another experiment going thats a bit different in design but not alot different. I been looking at the problem half way backwards, took me some hard thinking to figure this one out. See on the one cd motor experiment I use the motor not only for looks or to show something can run while the recharge is going on. But the cd motor is also acting as an electron pump, this and the actual design or way the batteries are wired helps make this all possible. Now as to my two cd motor experiment, I got a better recharge but at less run time. But that worked out well, as both cd motors were acting as electron pumps, delivering a better recharge,,with minimum actual energy drain overall from the batteries while doing this. Originally my reason for adding the second cd motor was to ease the overall load on the first motor. That worked out ok too, but then we had two motors doing some draining on the main batteries as the other batteries were being drained. It was a tricky position there. Now the way I figured out how to recharge the 5 AA batteries with two is by using three AA batteries. But its not like you might think, in truth its still only two AA batteries recharging the five AA batteries, as the third main battery is completely out of the circuit loop for recharging. See I use the third main AA battery to power the top cd motor on my two cd motor experiment now. Now Ill tell you what,,when I was first experimenting with this earlier,,I was recharging two AA batteries with two AA batteries this way and I seen not only was the recharging batteries rising in numbers on the meter,,but so were the main batteries rising as well. There may or may not be something to that Ill have to get back to it as since I thought of how to rig it all to recharge the five AA batteries, I quickly did so to test it,,and the test is underway now.
And the main batteries are slowly draining here,,so its not doing the same as the two battery experiment before this one. So back to how this is working, If you take an AA battery and hook it to a motor, and let it run,,and hook a meter also,,you can watch the numbers slowly fall as the motor slowly drains the battery while running right. But if you pay attention to the direction the motor is spinning, then let the motor drain the battery,,then spin the motor by hand in that same direction as it was spinning, with the meter hooked up,,you see the numbers rise. So in effect your recharging the battery that way, by simply spinning it the same way it was spinning when it ran and drained the battery. SO on my two cd motor experiment now, the top motor is powered by that third battery, that is not in the recharging loop. But it adds spin to the bottom motor without any drain on the main batteries,,and this adds the extra energy to get the 5 AA batteries recharged, at least thats my theory for now. The test is underway,,the motors are zooming and have been some hours now, when the test is over I will see if the 5 AA batteries took a good recharge and are holding their amperage and Ill come back here sometime later and write the results,,wish me luck...Oh If this works out well Ill also make a schematic, but overall nothing is changed on the two cd motor experiment except a third battery is powering the top cd motor,,and that is a separate circuit,,not in the recharging loop. So more later...
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Hi Steve
You are putting a lot time and work into this,hats off to you,you have my admiration,keep the reports comeing.I'm following every post.
peter
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Ty, I got a good feeling about this newest design, considering the electron pump is more or less not draining the main batteries, and considering even if the bottom motor slows some over the hours,,the top motor will keep up the work. And also considering as I said if you take a motor and connect it to a battery with a meter connected. Leave the same things mentioned hooked up, let the motor drain the battery, you can also just drain a battery completely, that might even be better as Ive did it this way as well,,then with the meter hooked up, spin the motor by hand the same direction it was spinning when the battery was powering it,,and the numbers on the meter go up, as the motor is then acting like a generator and putting energy or power back into the battery as you spin it. So the top motor makes the bottom motor do this as well,,adding energy to the recharge loop. This test started around 4 pm,,and is still running, with the five recharging showing a meter reading of 1338. The proof however is not in the numbers,,contrary to what most would assume,,its in the amperage stored in the recharging batteries. That does not show up on the meter under a voltage reading, but an amperage test can be made with the meter after the recharge. I usually just use the main drain motor for a time run test, as it takes alot of amperage to run that motor. And like I said in previous post, that main drain motor can drain a fully recharged AA battery recharged from my ac recharger in like ten minutes, so I have an estimate of stored amperage by using the main drain on the recharged batteries. In the earlier experiments like the two bat recharging two bat experiment, I just swapped the main drained bats with the recharged ones,,and could run that a few times, tho each recharge that way was less as the cd motor consumed energy running. So this setup is different, I have ran a cd motor on a fully recharged AA battery with no load,,for over two weeks before, I did have a magnet on the rotor and a quartz crystal on that,,did the quartz or magnet contribute to its run time,,I have no idea lol. Point is there is little overall load on the top cd motor on my present experiment,,as the bottom cd motor want to run in the same direction, as its powered in the recharging loop,,so runtime should be longer,,and that will also contribute to overall recharge,,ok knows Im rambling,,so thanks for the post,,Ill report how this experiment this time turns out later..
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Heres an update, as of 9:12 pm, the meter readings are at 1346 for the five AA batteries recharging. I also did a reading on the main two AA batteries, even tho the mains are wired in series,,and the recharging bats in parallel, the mains give different readings for each battery, as usual my reading are done while the machine is running. For mains bat one,,as I call it is 1302,,and mains bat two is 1294. I would swear the thing has picked up speed, seriously. Anyway the test continues, more later..
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Another update,,bats recharging reading, 1357,,looking good I think, no noticeable speed loss,,possible speed increase, the speed increase I cant verify since I have no rpm meter. But either way it definitely has not slowed any, that Im almost sure of. If it has increased in speed I can not imagine how since the top motor is out of the recharging loop, even if the top motor and bottom motor are connected by the spinning cd disk. Eventually it must slow and stop,,then will come the final test. I will use one recharged bat on the main drain motor time test,,and another I will even do a meter amp test on, and will post the results, Will post more later.
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I know Im posting to many updates lol,,but Im up anyway so nothig better to do. So heres another update,,recharging bats reading 1362 as of 2:12 am,,and no noticeable speed change in the spinning cd,,its been zooming since the start,,so would be hard to tell if it slowed a little anyway. More later..
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Update, recharging bats at 1367 as of 5:15 am,,experiment still running.
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New update,,as of 7:00 am,,5 recharging bats reading 1370,,motors still spinning without slowing,,thinks this will turn out well. More later..
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Update,,recharging bats reading 1375,,experiment continues..
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I can notice the motor slowing some now,,recharging bats still at 1375,,so im sure I will get to the final test today,,sometime. Then the final results will be posted,,but it still spins on fairly fast now,,but I can notice some speed loss..Ill post the main drain motor test and amp test when it stops..Doubt the readings will go up much more,,but if it does more then a few points Ill post that as well.
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Ok I went ahead and stopped the test early cause I was just curious what the results were. Im sure it could have ran several more hours if not even into the night had I let it continue. So I did the main drain motor test on one of the recharged AA batteries and got 9 minutes run time,,so thats very good, it held amperage and it takes a whole lot to run that big motor. If you haven't read the previous post, the main drain motor is a motor I use that can drain a AA battery in ten minutes or so which was fully recharged on my AC plug in recharger. I also did an amp test, on DCA on two different settings on one of the recharged AA batteries, heres the results, on the 20m setting for the amp test it read 2.26 and for the 200m setting it read 22.6, so all in all I think this design is a fairly nice one as the test turned out well. I will make a schematic later and post it,,but if you been reading its all already in the post..So thats it for now,,Im sure I will think of something else to try and if it works well post it on here in time.
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Sorry, but this is not a "magnet" motor, it's a free energy device.
This post should be relocated.
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Here is the schematic I said I would post for the 2 AA batteries recharging 5 AA batteries.
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This was my original 2 cd motor experiment using 2 AA batteries to recharge 3 AA batteries, thought I would post it since I did not post it when it was mentioned in earlier discussion. Note the diode in the schematic is experimental, if using the diode you may want to spin top motor in reverse, just reverse the power wires to the top motor to do that. So experiment with it,,Im sure it can be improved.
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Here is the original schematic for 2 AA batteries recharging 3 AA batteries, thought I would post it on the same page as the others for easier reference.
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Thank you Steven for all the work your sharing here.
I was wondering if this is possible with 12volt car batteries or with solar deep cycle batteries.
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Honestly I have no idea, I think the cd motor is a key component somehow, but I cant say I know that as a fact. If it is because of the cd motor and not only the way its all wired, then it would be because of something in the cd motor, perhaps the way its wired, or relating to how the contacts in the motor make and break connection at the right timing. Just some thoughts as I really dont know. I just stumbled across this working some years back, fiddling around as I sometimes do with electronics and such. I did not think to much of it back then and just thought I would share it least such can be made more useful to the world somehow as its not perfected by any means. It can be tried im sure by some larger means, but I dont have the things to do so, so more experimentation will have to be done by the public. Best wishes, stephen...
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So I tried it all without the cd motor, I just replaced the cd motor with 5 diodes in parallel, directing the electron flow away from the parallel batteries, and it all works the same, or better without the small drain from the cd motor. So its not the cd motor that makes it all work, its just the combination of series against parallel.. Kind of neat!
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Do you mean like this?
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NOo, you got the diodes backwards,,the line on the diodes points toward the batteries being recharged. Looks like any kind of low powered device could be put in place of the diodes, however the device would consume some of the energy up I think during the recharge, a better if not complete recharge I think without any devices, but do use the diodes that way no back flow happens, which usually happens once the recharge gets high enough on the recharging side.
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... I just replaced the cd motor with 5 diodes in parallel, directing the electron flow away from the parallel batteries, and it all works the same, or better without the small drain from the cd motor. ...
I just understood that the diodes were directing the electrons away.
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Could you try this?
Jesus
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The electrons flow into the diode where the line is and emerge the other way,,and will not back flow hardly any,,thats the point of a diode, assuming its just a regular diode and not a zener diode. So for a battery to recharge electrons must be taken out of the positive side and put in the negative side, and the reverse happens when a battery runs something or drains, then electrons flow into the positive side and flow out of the negative, so the line on the diode should point toward the batteries recharging on the positive side since the stronger positive which would be the batteries in series, that series positive will pull the electrons out of the positive side of the parallel batteries. One way I imagine it is like this, think of an electron as more like a wave, instead of a particle, and then you can see how the electron wave flows across the positive and negative side of the batteries in parallel. Yes I can try that schematic nieves, give me some time,,maybe try it later today.
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This was my original 2 cd motor experiment using 2 AA batteries to recharge 3 AA batteries, thought I would post it since I did not post it when it was mentioned in earlier discussion. Note the diode in the schematic is experimental, if using the diode you may want to spin top motor in reverse, just reverse the power wires to the top motor to do that. So experiment with it,,Im sure it can be improved.
@stevensrd1
Do you happen to know anything about programming or microcontrollers?
This would be a near perfect application to get the "man" out of the OU
energy loop. Special Microcontroller circuit design procedures would keep the
energy powering the computer out of the OU energy loop to the largest
extent possible. It would be neat to watch the microcontroller run shorter
and shorter until all the batteries are nearly recharged.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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@mscoffman
Sorry, I dont have any micro controllers, and there rather pricey from what Ive seen, so cant afford one right now. As to programming I used to dabble a little in basic, most micro controllers use basic, or the basic stamp chip from what Ive read. Not sure of your meaning in using one in the experiment, unless you mean like swapping the main batteries with the recharged ones, Ive did that with the original one cd motor experiment, it can be done several times. But each recharge done during the swapping was less, Im assuming it was because of the motor using a small portion of the energy up,,and no doubt other natural losses such as heat and so on.
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@nieves
Sorry the design you posted will not work,,it loses to much energy. Only seems to work the best in the way I shown. Of course instead of using 5 diodes, 1 can be used, overall same difference.
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Thank you @stevensrd1!
Maybe this one do the trick!
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No,,your design is breaking the series side which lowers the overall energy between the series and parallel, two batteries in series is stronger then two batteries in parallel. Thats what makes it all work in the first place,,its like a game of tug of war between the two positives, and the series positive is stronger, no matter how many batteries you have in parallel. The parallel batteries always add up to the same voltage, because all their positives are connected and all their negatives are connected, so they add up to just one battery, the batteries in series increase more and more with each added battery in series.
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I got a new experiment going, since some wondered if it would work on larger batteries or using higher voltages, Im using the one cd motor in this as well. Its the same design as posted back. Since I dont have 12 volt batteries to use, the next largest batteries I do have is the batteries in an old laptop battery. In a laptop battery depending on what kind, there are usually several batteries inside the one battery. In my old laptop battery it had 9 Li-ion cells of size 18650 which are 3.7v each.
So I took 4 AA batteries and am recharging 3- 3.7volt 18650 cells with them. 4 AA batteries total around 6 volts, where as 3 18650 cells total around 9 to 10 volts total. So like in the previous one cd motor experiment, I have the 4 AA batteries in series and the 3 18650 3.7v cells in parallel. I started out using the DCV 200m setting on the digital meter to check these 18650 cells as they recharged, but now since their voltages have risen to 3.47 volts I can no longer use the 200m setting on the meter, as I half to use the 20 setting now because they have risen in voltage so much. The experiment started around 3 pm earlier today and its around 8 pm now. The experiment is running well,,the cd motor is spinning the cd so fast its hard to tell its even spinning, by looking at it, yes its well balanced now, thats fast. Of course if you touch it, it will fling your finger off its spinning so fast lol. And as I said the three recharging 18650 cells are reading 3.47 volts,,thats a piece. So its going well, will write more on this later.
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Well it worked,,not as good as I had hoped however. But considering I was using old lap top batteries, that would not hold a recharge in the first place, this test will have to be redone at a later time.
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Any updates on this Steve?
I saw a video on tube and i thought to post it here in case you didn't watch it.Looks like a similar concept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NCrEmodqs&feature=related
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Haven't really been messing around much lately with this, been doing other things. I still ordered a firewire card for my camera so I may redo some of these experiments sometime later and make some good video of it. As to the last experiment done on this forum topic, using lower voltage batteries to recharge higher voltage batteries, there are no updates. This part I reedited>> I could have used lower powered batteries such as 2 AA batteries to recharge a 12 volt lead acid battery, from what I read some years ago. The way this is done is pulse the 2 AA batteries through a transformer primary, while the secondary is hooked to the 12 volt lead acid battery through a diode to prevent back flow of electrons. You see it works by using high voltage yet low current, and such will recharge larger batteries, such as say a 12 volt lead acid battery, but it only works with lead acid batteries, from what Ive read! And it takes quite some time to trickle recharge the batteries that way, but it works and will recharge them fully. There is a bit of mystery as to the theory of how it works, but since it only works with lead acid batteries, Im sure it has something to do with how the lead and acid react with high voltage, even at low current. All that is nothing new by the way, tho few have heard of it.
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I found another experiment Ive done recently interesting, Im going to mention it here,,then this will be the last one for this topic, since its already 10 pages long mixed with several experiments. Ill prob put this last one under another topic,,different name, eventually. So I bought a 12 volt to 110 volt inverter, it only handles 5 watts max, small thing all things considering. Anyway I powered it with 4 AA batteries and recharged a 9 volt battery with it. I used a rectifier on the 110 AC output side of the inverter, then the pos and neg of the rectifier went to the 9 volt battery. It recharged the 9 volt battery well in around 12 hours. So I thought it was neat and would mention it as the last thing for this ten pages..When or if I put this one under a new topic Ill add some pics and and stuff..
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So I tried it all without the cd motor, I just replaced the cd motor with 5 diodes in parallel, directing the electron flow away from the parallel batteries, and it all works the same, or better without the small drain from the cd motor. So its not the cd motor that makes it all work, its just the combination of series against parallel.. Kind of neat!
This thread is very interesting, thank you for all the posts and explanations.
The 5 diodes in parallel replacing the dc-motor is like the zenith of your experiments.
I would like to know how long the charging of the three batteries took in the circuit with the 5 diodes in parallel?
With the dc-motor (or the two dc-motors) the charging took many hours? Was it minutes with the diodes, or also hours?
I guess the charging stops once:
(Voltage over the two batteries in series) = (Voltage over the 3 batteries in parallel) + 0.8 Volt
0.8 Volt being the estimated Voltage drop over the diodes.
Greetings, Conrad
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All the recharging took many hours, more like a trickle recharge I think. You can get faster recharge times using higher voltages, or should I say with higher current, as any AC battery recharger can do, but the methods I used for those experiments were of equal or even lesser voltages, which takes alot of time for trickle recharging, ranges vary depending on type of batteries,,and different setups used, as there seems to be alot of ways to do such. Sometimes up to 12 hours or a little more. Personally I like the last experiment, which to me worked very well and did recharge my 9v battery up fully, which I had previously drained completely. That was using the 4 AA batteries powering the 12v to 110v inverter.
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use supercapacitors...
no?
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I found another experiment Ive done recently interesting, Im going to mention it here,,then this will be the last one for this topic, since its already 10 pages long mixed with several experiments. Ill prob put this last one under another topic,,different name, eventually. So I bought a 12 volt to 110 volt inverter, it only handles 5 watts max, small thing all things considering. Anyway I powered it with 4 AA batteries and recharged a 9 volt battery with it. I used a rectifier on the 110 AC output side of the inverter, then the pos and neg of the rectifier went to the 9 volt battery. It recharged the 9 volt battery well in around 12 hours. So I thought it was neat and would mention it as the last thing for this ten pages..When or if I put this one under a new topic Ill add some pics and and stuff..
@stevensrd1
Did you happen to measure the voltage you were applying to the nine volt battery?
This may depend on the failsoft startup mode of the inverter and you may want to
take precautions with any other inverter. Most inverters will not start up on 4 AA
batteries = 6VDC, as they don't want to discharge a 12VDC automobile starting
battery too low.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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Yep,,it recharged the battery to 9.73volts and I redid it again today just for kicks, I took the battery off the inverter just to test the voltage and it now reads at 9.83volts,,and connected to the inverter, since its still recharging,,it reads at 10.00volts
I did completely drain the 9v battery on a small motor before this test until it ran no more, then I left it connected to that motor for some hours till I could not even get a tingle on my tongue from the battery. The 12volt inverter works at 6volts with 4 AA batteries. And fully recharges my 9volt rechargeable batteries. I did mention it is a small 12v to 110v inverter,,max 5watt, its small,the kind that fits in palm of your hand, plugs in a car lighter. While its working you can see its red light on dimly, and if you accidentally touch the ac output of the inverter as I have lol it will shock the crap out of you...
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Can you post a schematic of your charger configuration using an inverter?
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OH my,,Im not sure I can, I will post a few pictures, as to the schematic,,im not looking up the resistor colors and the the transformer has no markings on it, the board itself does have markings on it,,it says HYS-CA01 ZHONGMAOWEN. There is 13 components on the board, and I bought it on ebay. On the outside of the case it says car charging power converter Output 100v-240v limited for DC 12v car only, Ill post a pic of the front and back shortly.
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Here is a pic of the front of the 12v to 110v inverter.
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Here is a pic of the back of the 12v to 110v inverter.
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Thank you @stevensrd1. It will be very difficult to replicate.
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Well if you got a 12v to 110v converter,,that handles 5 watts max,,then your set. I just used a bridge rectifier from an old computer monitor. I ran the 4 AA batteries to the power input, thats the part that would have been plugged into the car cigarette lighter. It has red and black wires to know positive and negative. Then on the AC output prongs on the inverter I connected the bridge rectifier. The bridge rectifier has 4 connections on it, two are for AC , and two for pos and neg out. I connected the two connections on the bridge rectifier for AC to the inverter AC output. Then the two wires for pos and neg out from the bridge rectifier go to the 9v battery. By the way this does not harm the inverter using it for this. If you use alligator clip wires. The inverter can be put back together and used still in the car. I would not attempt to take one apart unless you know a bit about electronics, least you did damage it, but if you do know a bit about electronics,,then you got no problems.
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Maybe this one can help the community to replicate your idea.
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Here is the rectifier I used.
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Here is a pic of the inverter not dissembled.
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At GoldmieElectronics they use to sell a cigarrette lighter charging device for about 3 dollars. It had no case, but it was a complete circuit.
Mybe they still has it. I think that it included the rectifier in the circuit.
Jesus
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If you are using the output directly to the 9v batt, you could stand a good chance of blowing it up rather violently. Charge voltage should not be more than a few volts over rated. I would read the output voltage of your setup and see just how high it is open circuit. Over say 13 and you are in for a ride. Not to mention the overall damage to the battery. Soon to fail. Just be careful for sure.
thay
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Updates?