Author Topic: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison (Read 525654 times)

Koen1 · « **Reply #180 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:42:21 AM »

Yes, and I have also noticed the wiki page appears to have been
altered since then, and now only contains this list...

I seem to recall that back then, there was confusing info on there
about the cells, and more of it too...

Well, I've been looking to buy some Germanium for some time now
but the stuff if hard to come by in powdered form, and expensive as well.
I may revamp my Hutchison cell attempt line when I get that,
so I'll have to keep looking.
In the mean time I am going to continue my line of experiments,
which I still believe are based on the same principles and ideas
as those of JH and Reid for that matter. Reid uses different ingredients
to make his cells, and I am fairly confident I have managed to replicate
some of his cells. In any case, Reid has been more forthcoming and
open to correspondence than Hutchison has been so far.
Since the two cell types have quite different ingredients,
I feel it may not be strictly necessary to use the four (five?) ingredients
named by JH, and that other mixes of the right compounds and elements
may work as well. JH also hints toward that in one of his newsletters,
just remarks "other suitable elements may be substituted" somewhere.
When I finally manage to get some germanium and try some 100%
"Hutch-mix" I will keep you guys posted, of course.

Anyway, who's going to try the "Hutch-mix"?

Please do post your experiments!

best regards
Koen

Feynman · « **Reply #181 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:45:10 AM »

@Nihilanth

I see nothing regarding lead (II) sulfide. In any case, what is your post accomplishing here? That some of these materials were on an extensive list of possible reagents? Yup. Did we have primary source confirmation of the details? Nope.

Feynman · « **Reply #182 on:** March 28, 2008, 02:34:03 AM »

Here is the mp3 of the radio interview. I ask about the power cells at approx 100 minutes.
http://drjudywood.com/media/080326_JohHutch1_KRWM.mp3

*Edit: Seems like this mp3 is missing the piece where I ask about Ian's reagents.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #183 on:** March 28, 2008, 04:36:14 AM »

@ Feynman:

Thanks for the radio interview link. I just listened to about half of it and....wow....I am disappointed. I have been a fan of Hutch from way back.....but when he said...."I was e-mailing my friend Paris Hilton and..." he lost me. I will listen to the rest of it when I get a chance but, I no longer have the respect for him that I once did. (Not just because of the Paris thing) I always gave him the benefit of the doubt about his "effect" and maybe there is still something there. Now I hear about like 3 different ingredients floated about by him for this cell and I have to wonder. Yes, he has had people/gov. on his case and, as he has said, this is why he is playing it like this. Maybe true, maybe not. Anyway, I always like to learn and thank you for posting the link.

Bill

Feynman · « **Reply #184 on:** March 28, 2008, 04:41:19 AM »

Personally, I am convinced John's research is honest. As for his social things, Hollywood, etc... think of this way: John wants his own Discovery Channel show. In my opinion he deserves one.

Let's not tilt at windmills.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #185 on:** March 28, 2008, 04:44:02 AM »

Ah, Cervantes....

Bill

Feynman · « **Reply #186 on:** March 28, 2008, 04:46:47 AM »

I didn't even know that's where it's from until you mentioned it! Now I learned another new thing today.

Thanks Bill

AbbaRue · « **Reply #187 on:** March 28, 2008, 06:31:54 AM »

John stated that he has been working on these crystal cells for over 10 years.
There is no contradiction in the ingredients.
As he learns about the cells he finds better ingredients. Common sense would tell us that.
All the ingredients he has mentioned over the years do work, it's just that some work better.

T.T. Brown built similar cells and he used barium titanate, also used basalt, granite, and titanium oxide.
So many things work, just some work better then others.
I believe Johns latest list of ingredients is just the best he has found to date.
Maybe the next time someone asks him he will give another list, of even better things.

Anyway, what would be very useful now is a list of sources to buy the ingredients we need.
Anyone know of a good cheap source for the Rochelle Salt?

sutra · « **Reply #188 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:24:17 AM »

Hi all,

please have a look at this link:

http://books.google.it/books?id=3DOUZfRmJLYC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=rochelle+salt&source=web&ots=JGFzbU2vbX&sig=X0r9UOr0q3N36XAQU8l2P4UP_C4&hl=it#PPA29,M1

...interesting....

Ciao

sutra · « **Reply #189 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:45:54 AM »

@ All

If you guys can't find easily find Tartraric Acid, you could just buy chemical yeast: since it is nothing but Sodium Bicarbonate and Tartaric Acid, just bake in the owen the yeast to transform Bicarbonate in Carbonate and you just have the right ingredients for the Rochelle salts...

Happy to help

Koen1 · « **Reply #190 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:52:41 AM »

Quote from: AbbaRue on March 28, 2008, 06:31:54 AM

As he learns about the cells he finds better ingredients. Common sense would tell us that.
All the ingredients he has mentioned over the years do work, it's just that some work better.

Well, I think John is qualified enough to simply tell us that if that is so.
I really don't think you need to defend him.

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I believe Johns latest list of ingredients is just the best he has found to date.

I believe he is still talking about the same ingredients and just gets confused now and then,
and that he has not made any cells for years. At least, the only footage is of the same old cells...

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Maybe the next time someone asks him he will give another list, of even better things.

Yes well I was surprised he gave this much info on the radio, so I will be even more surprised
if he ever gives a clear list with exact quantities...

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Anyway, what would be very useful now is a list of sources to buy the ingredients we need.
Anyone know of a good cheap source for the Rochelle Salt?

www.kellysearch.com ?

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lancaIV · « **Reply #191 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:09:41 PM »

EXERGIE-Fusion-Cycle
1Kg molar hydrogen ~ 77 000 000 KWH
"light/current substance and weight ?Alpha-rad./Beta-rad./........=hydrogen derivate(-s) "

Robert E. Henson
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US5252176&F=0
+
Hawley-"Cube"
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4658171&F=0

Easier to "understand" and to test: DE ......... Paul Heinrich Marzahn,Muenchen

crystal radio: receiver ! search: emissor ? LED-like

Fundamentals: Ferdinand Braun,Chandrasekhar Raman, Prof. Florian Popescu
"rainbow"-prisma-effect : Goethe, Fraunhofer
Exergy-products, actually:
Dr. Helmut Reichelts "Moletherm"-Tapete,
based on his work "Electron-gas-cycle"

www.larbombas.pt ~ Axergie spelled: AEs- written: Aix-/Ax ( near Orange)
based on Jacques Bernier- invention

Chemalloy, hydro-carbon et cetera ....

FUSION=(S-)MELTING , Hot or Cold
Water=metal/lic=glance=reflective , but also a liquid foam

CdL

Koen1 · « **Reply #192 on:** March 28, 2008, 05:08:56 PM »

Quote from: lancaIV on March 28, 2008, 01:09:41 PM

EXERGIE-Fusion-Cycle
1Kg molar hydrogen ~ 77 000 000 KWH
"light/current substance and weight ?Alpha-rad./Beta-rad./........=hydrogen derivate(-s) "

I assume you are suggsting we search for that jumble of text?
Perhaps you could say so next time..? Because it is very unclear what you're trying to convey here.

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Robert E. Henson
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US5252176&F=0

Yes, interesting. Thanks for that link.

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+
Hawley-"Cube"
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4658171&F=0

Not relevant to the topic, is a heat converter. We are not looking for a heat converter.

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Easier to "understand" and to test: DE ......... Paul Heinrich Marzahn,Muenchen

Interesting if you're into making photovoltaic cells... But we're not.

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crystal radio: receiver ! search: emissor ? LED-like

What do you mean?
We're after a crystal energy cell, not a LED-like photoemitter...

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Fundamentals: Ferdinand Braun,Chandrasekhar Raman, Prof. Florian Popescu

Fundamentals of what?

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"rainbow"-prisma-effect : Goethe, Fraunhofer

I completely fail to see what Goethes colour theory and prisma effect analysis have
to do with our crystal cells.

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Exergy-products, actually:
Dr. Helmut Reichelts "Moletherm"-Tapete,
based on his work "Electron-gas-cycle"

www.larbombas.pt ~ Axergie spelled: AEs- written: Aix-/Ax ( near Orange)
based on Jacques Bernier- invention

Chemalloy, hydro-carbon et cetera ....

FUSION=(S-)MELTING , Hot or Cold
Water=metal/lic=glance=reflective , but also a liquid foam

And now it seems you are just tossing a bunch of terms onto a heap...

If you feel there is some connection between all of these things and crystal cells,
can you please indicate what it is??

AbbaRue · « **Reply #193 on:** March 30, 2008, 09:24:10 PM »

I was doing some google searches of Rochelle salt and on the following website
this fellow got 9.6 volts peak to peak from a single crystal just taping it.

http://rimstar.org/materials/piezo/rochelle1.htm

If these crystals were properly placed in a cell with a semiconductor material functioning as a diode it would produce a DC source.
Any vibrations in the area of the cell would cause the production of power. So instead of focusing on the mixed cell idea,
maybe we should focus on Rochelle salt and some form of diode.
Germanium diodes are used in some circuits because of there lower voltage drop to silicon diodes.
Silicon diodes are .5 to .7 volts were as germanium are around .3 volts.
I also came across a patent that mentioned PbS diodes. (Galena)
I see a patern here both germanium and Galena work as diodes.
Pyrites can show negative resistance and have experimentally been used in oscillator circuits as radio detectors
Zinc oxide shows the same negative resistance curve as the iron pyrite, we can get that from old AA cells.

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/iposc.htm

SO perhaps that is there main function in these cells.

My approach to this is to determine the possible function of each ingredient John mentions.
Then I can make an educated guess at how to construct these cells.

I strongly believe that this is how these cells work, they pick up any vibrations in there environment and convert it to DC.
We live in a very noisy world so there is no shortage of vibrations to run these cells.
John also hinted towards this on one of his videos.

Koen1 · « **Reply #194 on:** March 31, 2008, 12:53:17 AM »

I see much repetition of what I had already posted ages ago.

AbbaRue, although I commend your eager searching,
you have not come up with a different idea for the cell.
The materials you describe are all either piezoelectric
or semiconductive, and most are or have been used in
the mix variations.
If you know your semiconductor and crystal radio history,
all those materials are familiar.

But it's nice to see that you're doing the research, and
appear to want to understand how the stuff might actually
work, instead of blindly following hutchisons vague and
inconsistent descriptions.

Perhaps we're looking at our next new actual hands-on
cel experimenter?

That would be cool.

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