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Offline Koen1

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2006, 02:45:32 PM »
No, I do not know exactly what John H. is mixing in the video,
but I do have a very good idea of what it must be.

Read the "Marcus Reid Battery" posts in this same section, that
should provide some insight into the matter.

I have studied all material I could find about John H.'s 'Crystal Power Cell',
and directly related topics like petroelectric effects, and have concluded
that Marcus Reids 'Crystal Battery' appears to be the same thing as
Hutchisons power cell, just in a slightly different configuration.
Nice thing about Reids Battery is that he has the thing documented
in much more detail than John H. ever cared to do.

In a nutshell, both H. and R. were intrigued by petrovoltaics upon which
they 'stumbled' seperately and in different ways, and both of them set out
to construct a form of permanent battery based on special composition
of a solid, ceramic-like material. H. ends up talking about 'petro-electric effect',
'exotic silicates', 'silicate platelets' and the 'casimir effect', which allow
'electrons to accumulate at the central post'. Reid started out trying calcite-
based compounds and later found that certain silicates in specific situations
appeared to produce the desired effect.
It seems that both of them are basically harnessing e/m fluctuations
inside a material composed of SiO2 and other silicates (Si-compounds),
by exposing the material to electric fields during solidification, which
causes a sort of rectifying effect inside the material, which in turn
causes electrons to accumulate on one electrod. As you must know,
SiO2 is quartz, which is known for its oscillatory properties, and various
arrangements and sizes of quartz crystals (or molecules) can be used
in amplification of ambient oscillations.
Reids battery appears to do just that, and convert ambient oscillations
(e/m and heat) into electron motion.
Hutchisons Cell, if you look at the substance it is made from and the
explanation of its componenets, as well as the output, appears to
be a different form of the same battery concept.

The exact mix of ingredients however, is unknown to me.
If you ever manage to find it, I'd really appreciate it if you'd post
it here!

Regards,
Koen


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2006, 03:20:46 PM »
de Lanca,

looks like you got the idea.  ;)

Can you provide a url for some good information
on that Matei Marinescu patent please?

I've searched and not found anything usefull...
Would be much appreciated!

As with the Hutchison/Reid Crystal battery,
and directly related power sources:
I think I know almost exactly how they
work, and how they should be composed.

Thing is, I'm reluctant to tell just anyone,
because it is actually very simple, when you
get down to it. The production process itself is
the tricky part.
But anyone with a good understanding of basic
(read: post 1960s) electronics and electrodynamics
should be able to work it out.
I am certainly willing to discuss the internal
composition of such a crystal power cell,
but only with people who have shown they are
on the level.
Your mentioning of said crystal patents is encouraging.
I'd be willing to discuss the thing in detail,
if you can give me a satisfactory description of
what you think goes on inside the power cell,
electrodynamically speaking.
I'll give you a hint: it seems to be about two basic
processes, that of .......tion and .........tion.

another reason why I do not easily divulge this
information is that I'm working on a version of my own,
still based on the same principles, but yet another
slightly different configuration. Untill I've managed to
produce a version that functions to my satisfaction, I
will not just post this info for anyone. But I will discuss
it with people who can show they know their bananas.
;-)
Besides, it's not much use to know how this works unless
you're planning to use the knowledge. And I prefer
people who can understand it to share the knowledge,
instead of multi-million dollar multinational companies who
will try to make more money out of it...

Kind regards,
Koen


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2006, 05:01:49 PM »
 :)
Alright, think about it...
Shouldn't be hard at all, I've actully already said half of it...
If you know your quartz from your silicates, their electrodynamic
properties and applications, the internal composition is
fairly straightforward. Still complex, mind you, but not extremely
exotic. What is quartz? What does it do? What is it used for?
What other uses does silicium have in electronics? Aks yourself this.
Reid also says it all, in his own way. Hutchison is more
confusing than helpful with his statements. Brown had a good
idea, and his patent applications are very clear.

Brown always used high-K materials in his dielectric experiments.
He found barium titanate to be one of the best dielectrics.
As you must know, he found out how to produce electrically
induced anti-gravity by basically putting extremely high voltage
on two capacitor plates. Obviously, the highr the K, the higher the
voltage may rise before it burns out the cap, hence his high-K
research. He also found that certain high-K materials among
which specific basalt rocks from certain natural deposits, appear
to spontaneously produce voltages, which varied with gravitational
fluctuations. This research resembles H. and R.s work.
Hutchson also used barium titanate in some of his crystal cell versions.
And this material is also a piezoelectric, just like quartz.
Quartz is just so much cheaper. ;-)

Thanks, will search the patent.

Regards,
Koen




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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 07:55:24 AM »
Testing my theory
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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2007, 10:29:07 PM »
Testing my theory

Anyone tested to make these crystal powercells with sucsess besides john hutchison and mr Reid?
i have ben looking at many pages related to the batterys and i cant find anyone else who claims that they work or know/are willing to write the "shake and bake recipie". wikipedia sais that "Rochelle salts, gallium, iron pyrite, and germanium" is the basic formula... but where do you get your hands on that? ???

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2007, 01:11:23 PM »
Yes, I have experience with the power cells.
The wikipedia article gives typical unclear and incomplete information. Disregard it entirely.
Do your own background research on Hutchison and in particular any an all of the things he has said in videos, radio- and written interviews regarding his energy research. Also do not forget he has basically repeated all basic electrical experiments since the discovery of electrical charge, from Ampere, Volta and Faraday to Tesla and beyond, from basic charge experiments to scalar energy patterns, and from macroscale elecrtical discharge events to quantumelectrodynamics.
Do not think you will understand how such a cell might work if you do not know all of this information.

In fact, the only people I know that understand its function and composition, including myself, are all highly knowledgable of these things and most times for the larger part autodidact, because a 'normal' education will most often not teach you the insights and understanding you need.

In any case, it is definately possible to construct a type of energy cell using certain very specific "rochelle salts", gallium and germanium, possibly even pyrite, but most importantly it still needs certain other chemicals. This partial chemicals list is totally useless. It's like saying that you make a bread by using some form of wheat, some salt, and an oven. You're missing key ingredients and key elements of the process. But what you get when you use such an incomplete 'recipe' is not at all what you were aiming for.

The entire Wikipedia article is flawed in respect to the energy cell.
For example, where is a transcript or at least account of Hutchisons presentation of his "Hiroshima Cell", where he very clearly described that specific type of cell as constructed mainly of Barium Titanate and thin metal plates? That type of cell is not at all similar to the "cheap and dirty"/"shake and bake" type cell. Oh yes, the underlying 'basic' theory is similar to a certain point, but the design, construction, materials and as a result the cell itself is almost completely different.
The "basic formula" given in the Wikipedia article is not actually the "basic formula" at all. It is a partial description of certain chemical elements that may be used in the construction of one possible form and type of energy cell. The "Hiroshima cell" and the "dirt cheap"-cell are NOT the same thing.

I am not going to reveal the exact composition nor production process of such energy cell here at this time.
It has taken me quite some time (years) to gain enough understanding of the (quantum) electrodynamic processes taking place, and in fact I think I have provided all the leads to directly related research in my previous posts. Using those leads, one should be able to study all the related electrical and chemical theory needed to develop a similar insight.
But to push you in the right direction, I would advise to study the video that shows Hutchison cooking up one of his "dirt cheap" cells in detail, then study the materials he talks about (and adds to the mixture). Think along the lines of directly related chemicals and reactions between said related chemicals and the other materials he uses. Remember he is using cheap chemicals so nothing too fancy.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2007, 05:35:50 PM »
well i have done some research to, but not as much as you thou. But it seems it gets the energy from either "the petro electrical effect" witch is a proven theory i think, or the casimir effect or maby even from both  as he states in the video. The petroelectrical effect might appear in some semi conductors like quartz or granit as you said earlier. but the casimir effect occurs between metall plates and vacuum. so perhaps its some sort of metal powder he mixes in the solution?
but then how do you get a crystal structure from just a 500 c ? he cant melt stone or metal on that.

this feels like alchemy and the search to make gold.  :'(

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2007, 09:42:46 PM »
Ok well if you have done your research you should have realised that just wildly dropping the Casimir effect like Hutchison does does not really say anything, since he never explains how the effect is related to the functioning of the cells.
The petro-electrical effect or petrovoltaic effect is indeed a proven effect, but the exact reason for it, the underlying 'mechanism' is not very clearly understood. Or at least, there is next to nothing to be found describing this mechanism. without the underlying theory of operation, this is no more than an observed effect in the rocks and ceramics Brown studied and mentions in his patent applications.

A problem here is that Hutchison almost never replies to emails from other inventors/researchers asking him to discuss his cells. He is apparently not interested in sharing his discoveries...

From the sparse information I was able to track down I did conclude that he first made his fairly complex BariumTitanate-based power cell, and only some time after that turned his approach to a "dirt cheap" one. A communication between him and Bearden suggests this cell was composed of thin metal plates, covered with a layer of BaTi piezoelectric/dielectric, and placed very close together. One can see how the Casimir effect might relate to this. But how then this effect also applies to the "dirt cheap" versions is never explained by him. Long, hard thinking may provide insight ;)

You are also right that 500 degrees celcius is not hot enough to melt rock or metal. Well, at least, no hard metal.
Obviously he is not actually melting rock or metal at all. How would you go about making a rock-like material?

I am sorry that I do not explain all, but it would take a lot of text to explain everything, and it has taken me quite a lot of time and work to figure this out and even I am still experimenting.

It does indeed resemble the search for the philosophers stone.
And in a way, it is.
"Free energy" is the modern-day Philosophers Stone, the 21st century Holy Grail. ;)
And I suspect the search itself will yield breakthrough insights and discoveries that will ultimately serve to improve our technology and way of life, very much like Alchemy and its more official offspring Chemistry have done in the past.



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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2007, 12:46:34 AM »
A problem here is that Hutchison almost never replies to emails from other inventors/researchers asking him to discuss his cells. He is apparently not interested in sharing his discoveries...

It doesn't look like you are either...  :'(

You are right that John doesn't give out details, but he did say on his site, that he will release all his papers in ......ten years...By that time we will have nuked ourselves into disaster fighting over the last drops of oil.  This battery has always interested me, being that John says you can make this out of simple materials.  Too bad its so simple no one can do it lol.  I think that baghdad battery is interesting, does that relate to Hutchison's cell?

I did make a water battery like the lemon battery, just with no lemon and lit a led.  Sadly the amps suck, and adding more cells only increases the power with smaller and smaller power gains.  I was thinking perhaps the Stanley hydrogen process could be started just by water itself, with enough cells.
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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2007, 02:52:08 AM »
a long while ago I think I worked it out.
baking soda (heated till it melted) and some rocks, can?t
remember which rocks at the moment. Was ordinary though
Some sort of porous rock I think it was.
And it looked to be ordinary electrochemical action.
I never made one but would be easy enough to try out
If you wanted too.
And, I could be wrong, I can?t remember how I worked it out.

Added:
Maybe not sodium bicarbonate?
I just looked it up , and it decomposest  200 c?
(500 c was quoted before)
but does melt at a much lower temp, (60 c)
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s2954.htm


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2007, 01:58:51 PM »
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Maybe not sodium bicarbonate?


yeh , but does that form a crystal strukture when it solidifies? i read somewhere that if you give the battery a charge when it turns to crystal strukture you will easyer guide the crystal strukture to increas the petroelectrical effect.
salt forms a crystal strukture so maby you just have to have salt crystals and quartz?

update* and koen1 why do you suggest that he uses quartz? that T.brown guy suggests that "Granite and dense lava rocks so far have shown the greatest voltage output."

But you can wonder what would happen to the world if this technology went public and you wouldnt need oil.. the oil rich countrys would be "dirt poor" lol.
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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2007, 05:41:08 PM »
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Maybe not sodium bicarbonate?


yeh , but does that form a crystal strukture when it solidifies? i read somewhere that if you give the battery a charge when it turns to crystal strukture you will easyer guide the crystal strukture to increas the petroelectrical effect.
salt forms a crystal strukture so maby you just have to have salt crystals and quartz?

Well as far as I know it doesn't work with baking soda... But then again, it is possible that a variation could be made with that, if you use the right mixture of other chemicals... I do not think Hutchison used bicarbonate... But if you get any interesting results experimenting with it by all means make a cell, I'd be interested to hear if it worked. Didn't work in my experiments but like I said, if you mix in just the right chemicals it might.

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update* and koen1 why do you suggest that he uses quartz? that T.brown guy suggests that "Granite and dense lava rocks so far have shown the greatest voltage output."
Have you also read up on Browns follow-up research? He studied the basalt and granite rocks in connection with his study of high K materials, which was directly related to high high voltage capacitor research which was in turn directly related to his research in electrogravitational effects. Which in turn explains why he applied for a patent for a gravity fluctuation detector based on the basalt/granite rocks: his research showed that high voltage on capacitor plates appears to negatve gravity if done properly, and therefor he hypothesised that the electrical charge measured on the natural basalt would have something to do with gravity. Measured increased output during full moon and during conjunctions of planets seemed to prove this theory correct (to a degree at least).
After studying the natural rocks, which by the way all have a high K (=dielectric constant), he turned his study toward artificial high K ceramic ("rocky") materials.
From his earlier high voltage research he had learnt that certain ceramics had very high K, and could therefore be used to make a very high voltage capacitor.
So now he studied these synthetic ceramics, and found that BariumTitanate blocks often (apparently not always?) showed a small charge accumulation, similar to the natural basalt rocks he found in Hawaii. Ok so we have Bariumtitanate.

Remember, John Hutchison also mentioned BariumTitanate in his presentation of hit BaTi energy cell in Hiroshima. This was one of the main components of that type of cell.
So now we have two different inventors who mentioned Barium titanate in relation to a process of petroelectric charge generation. That should be enough reason to look into the material a bit.

When you do this, you quickly find out it is not only a good dielectric (=high K) material so very usefull in capacitors, but you also find out it is a piezoelectric material.
Now piezoelectrics is very interesting as pressure fluctuations are turned into electrical charge fluctuations... Hey, could this possibly have anything to do with the mysterious generation of charge? Yes, it could very well. ;-)

Then lets now look back at your remark and look up some information on Basalt rock and Granite, shall we?
Basalt generally has a composition of 45-55 wt% SiO2, 2-6 wt% total alkalis, 0.5-2.0 wt% TiO2, 5-14 wt% FeO and 14 wt% or more Al2O3. Contents of CaO are commonly near 10 wt%, those of MgO commonly in the range 5 to 12 wt%.
A worldwide average of the average proportion of the different chemical components in granites, in descending order by weight percent, is: SiO2 @ 72.04%, Al2O3 @ 14.42%, K2O @ 4.12%, Na2O @ 3.69%, CaO @ 1.82%, FeO @ 1.68% (rest omitted. Avg of avg comp because Granite is different on every deposit).
So in general we can safely conclude that both rock types consiste for 50 to 70% of SiO2 (=quartz), for 14% of Al2O3, and varying percentags of other metal oxides.

Now it just so happens that quartz is also a dielectric material and also has piezoelectric properties. And it is abundant since all sand and rock consists for the most part of SiO2. Therfor it is cheaper than barium titanate.
And did Hutchison not call it the "dirt cheap method"? Indeed, dirt is cheap. ;-)
And that is how I came to mention quartz.

But you should have been able to figure that link out yourself if you had done the background research... (teaser ;-))

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But you can wonder what would happen to the world if this technology went public and you wouldnt need oil.. the oil rich countrys would be "dirt poor" lol.
Indeed. Which is why one should be a bit careful. The oil barons are not know for their tolerance of inventors wh threaten their power base. Of course nothing can be proven but I would like to point out the tragic and quite implausible "deadly fall" mr. Stefan Marinov made from the staircase of the Graz university library... (and not long after coming up with a magnetic vortex generator that he claimed could well produce over unity power too. Coincidence? Oficcially it is.)

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2007, 10:40:03 PM »
the "PRELIMINARY PATENT DESCRIPTION "BATTERY" Docket Number 1687"  :D claims that molten carnauba wax mixed with tungsten carbide will work.. carnauba wax is carwax but is carwax "molten"?
and good luck at making powder out of tungsten carbide, you will have to pulverize drills..

perhaps carwax mixed with quartz?


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2007, 11:19:22 PM »
the "PRELIMINARY PATENT DESCRIPTION "BATTERY" Docket Number 1687"  :D claims that molten carnauba wax mixed with tungsten carbide will work.. carnauba wax is carwax but is carwax "molten"?
and good luck at making powder out of tungsten carbide, you will have to pulverize drills..

perhaps carwax mixed with quartz?

Once again some fairly superficial research into the uses of the material would have provided more insight.

Carnauba (or carnuba) wax is indeed used in car waxes, in mustache waxes, in surf waxes, and as edible wax coating for many types of candy.
The only usefull application of Carnauba wax in electrodynamics that seems to be related to the generation of usable charge that I know of, is its use as primary material for the Eguchi style Electret. (other forms of electret as well)
Brown's Carnauba-based "batteries"/"energy cells" sound like electrets to me...
In general a Carnauba-wax based electret would be made by melting the wax, pouring it into a cylindrical container (as if you were making a candle), then inserting electrodes at the ends, and putting high voltage on the electrodes during the time the wax cools and hardens. Once it has hardened and cooled completely, the voltage feed can be removed, and the resulting bar should produce voltage on the electrodes, which can be used. It keeps producing voltage at the ends, even after you discharge the electrodes. It doesn't last forever though, the charge generated drops very slowly and depending on how well the electret was made it will run for a few years before dying out.
So as you can see, melting the wax and adding any material seems to be "simply" a variation of a "standard" carnauba electret.

Perhaps it would already be quite cool to build a number of electrets? Their principle of operation as well as construction is entirely different from the power cells Hutchison made though, so you would be straying from the subject a little ;-)
But they will provide low amp low voltage dc or simply static charge that can be used, and they will do it for long periods of time. Effectively you would still have an energy souce made from relatively cheap material that will last for years. And it is much simpler to construct than a "crystal energy cell" is.

Oh, as for the tungsten carbide, of course you do not have to pulverize a tungsten drill. As with almost any chemical, it can be obtained in powedered form.
The tungsten carbide is probably just used to enhance the charge accumulation at the electret "poles"...

Of course nowadays we have new electret materials that can produce a significantly higher output, but they are expensive and often quite hard to work with, as a hobby electret builder. ;-)
For those of you that are interested in building a carnauba wax one, or just want to read up a little, a quick stroll on the interweb resulted in the following site which I think will help you on your way: http://ether.sciences.free.fr/electrets.htm

I do not think mixing quartz in with the wax will increase the output, as the electret effect does not rely on any piezoelectric properties, and quartz itself is a dielectric (and therefor non conductive)...
But if you're planning to experiment with carnauba wax electrets then by all means try to make a couple with varying degrees of quartz and see what it does.
Experiments are still the mother of invention. :-) If you are going to try it though, I would advise to get as fine quartz powder as you can for I doubt larger quartz crystals will work.
In any case, how do you think the electret was invented in the first place? Pure experimentation. In Eguchis case, one day he decided he would just stick high voltage electrodes in molten wax and see what it does. He just so happened to have used carnauba wax amongst others, and stumbled across the effect.
You might just stumble across a fantastic new way to increase carnauba electret output... you never know! ;-)
 

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