@Jeanna: Thanks for that nice look into your thought process there
I like it. I'm not sure what to make of the pyramid particles entirely,
but it still sounds interesting, and it's definately got some elements
in the equation that I hadn't incorporated in my own ideas about
the use of magnetic powders, so that's a refreshing take on the subject.
In my opinion.

As for the pigment, Yes, you should be able to get Cobalt Blue pigment powder
at a good arts supply shop. I have found that such shops, if you find one that
really has a wide range of pigments for use in self-mixed paint, and/or similarly
a wide range of powders suitable for use in ceramics glazing and lustering,
often have a nice supply of usefull powders and do sell them in relatively small
amounts, which is just perfect for doing some experiments.
I may have mentioned it before, one of my favorite art supply shops carries a
nice range of painters pigments, and it is in fact the place where I got my
Cobalt Blue powder, as well as my Iron Black, Iron Red/brown, and some other
powders. Ok, I also got some of those same powders from other suppliers, but
the ones I got from the arts shop are of equally good quality.

@Sutra: Can you tell me the exact name of the type of blue-green Tourmaline
that you used here? For example, typically the all-green type of Tourmaline is
called Chromdravite, while the all-black type is called Schorl, and there's
quite a bunch of specific types...
I ask because I am currently, on a bit of a sideline which is slowly turning into
a parallel road , still looking into Tourmaline itself, and specifically the chemical
structures of the various types. I have sort of isolated the part of the chemical
strcture that determines much of the colour as well as the wavelengths to which
the specific Tourmalines are sensitive, so now I am studying the differences in these
crucial elements of the structure, in an attempt to determine which exact type
or subtype yields highest output in a nominally average temperature range.

There's some quite interesting analogies with biological photosynthesis, I realised
the other day, when I was trying to explain part of my Tourmaline fascination
to a friend, who is involved in biology and ecology.
The majority of plant photosynthesis on our planet uses green pigments (chlorophyl)
to absorb light energy, which is then used in an intricate chemically mediated
process which ultimately uses the energy to produce glucose from H2O and CO2.
A fact often underplayed in schools is that most of the light absorbed is in fact
red light, which incorporates best into the actual chemical photosynthetic
process, and that the other types of light are in fact in most plants "stepped down"
to the equivalent of, or even the exact type of, the ideal red light wavelength for
absorption by these red-light "transformer" molecules.
Ok, I realise this may sound like a bunch of biological mumbojumbo, but the
main point is: the green plants all around us actually get most of their energy
from absorbing red light.
Now back to Tourmaline.
Guess which colour of Tourmaline is generally considered (and tested) as the
most sensitive to red, infrared, and even deep-infrared light?
Yep, you guessed it: green.
So perhaps now you see why I am interested in the exact chemical structure or
name of your blue-green Tourmaline? I am trying to figure out where in the spectrum
of light its ideal absorption wavelengths lie, to see how sensitive it is to infrared
in comparison to certain other types.

Sutra, thanks for that info.

It is interesting that you mention the Verdelite (sometimes called Verdilite) as typical green form.
Indeed, the most common green form of Tourmaline is Verdelite, nowadays.
But perhaps I wan't entirely clear...
I intend, of course, to make a Tourmaline that is extremely sensitive to ambient heat.
What with the global tempertures only increasing, and the largest part of our global
energy loss existing in the form of radiated heat losses, that seems like a large
energy supply just waiting to be tapped. Much more so than any of the visible colours
of light.
And so, I am trying to pinpoint the types that most effectively absorb and transduce
infrared and preferably the deep infrared. (= heat radiation)
I have found that it is difficult to dig up clear information on the exact wavelengths and
the chemical compositions, for some reason. If you have any good sources for this,
please share them as it would be most helpfull.
What I have managed to dig up is the repeated assertion that blue and green Tourmalines
are the types most sensitive to infrared, and I have been told that specifically Chromdravite
would be extremely sensitive to deep infrared. Chromdravite is also green, and the crucial
element in it is trivalent Chromium. (And yes, this is interesting, as ruby is nothing more
than aluminium oxide containing high levels of Chromium, and they are typically not green
at all, but rather red. Then again, Tourmaline does not normally contain much aluminium
at all, if any, so they're not really comparable.)
Some people have suggested that Vanadiumdravite may also be green and may also
be sensitive to infrared, but I cannot find much confirmation.

Now, some quick thinking suggests that Verdelite is in fact nothing more than a "hybrid"
of Chromdravite, Vanadiumdravite, and Schorl, containing near equal amounts of these
three trivalent elements Cromium, Vanadium, and Iron.
Do you agree with this assertion?

P.S. You lived in Namibia? I've done a 4x4 road trip through Nam some years ago!
It's a magnificent country. May I ask where you lived in Namibia? Was it near
Swakopmund, Walvisbaai, Windhoek, Luderitz?

Hmm biology, now I feel more comfortable!   

I dredged up my oldest biology textbook to prove to me that my memory is correct (yes, this time it is) that it is the Mg in the chlorophyll molecule that makes it do what it does.

So, I submit that those green tourmalines that are made with magnesium are perhaps the very ones to choose.

[the rest of the molecules that make up the family of chlorophylls are basically C,H,O, in various large chains.]

The other thing my eyes fell on while reading this was the mention that the blue-green algae make their energy from chlorophylls that are NOT contained in the chloroplast but in small things that they called stoma =?= little stones.

This means to me that it is not dependent on the structure and can occur in a mix. This gives encouragement if not credence to the notion of making an amorphous mixture of this stuff.

[I say this because I have seen that there is an assumption put out over and over that it is because of the cellular structure and the chloroplast structure that the energy is made.]

thank you,

jeanna

... this internal molecular
structure of the chlorophyls plays a role here... It is somewhat similar to what happens in semiconductors
in that the "packets" of energy are guided in one direction by cause of the internal structure
of the material itself, although of course the mechanism for doing so is different.
Lol I just realised that using the organic semiconductor compounds in combination with
organic compounds used in the photosynthetic process such as perhaps chlorophyl,
or perhaps simply the addition of tiny green tourmaline granules, might in fact yield
a material that "reacts" to incoming light and "produces" charge... An organic, quasi-
photosynthetic version of the Crystal Cell...

oooo here we go!

I have often thought that the differences  between our earth- life chemistry and silicon is slim. Ours is carbon based which at least in a diamond is a tetrahedron of carbon molecules. Silicon will also form crystals of a similar structure. The magnetite caught my attention because of this tetrahedron...

Correct me if I am wrong, please, I don't need to go down a blind alley on this structure thing.

I was looking for more magnetism info and got myself to Tom Bearden's site (chenier).

What he says about magnetism is confusing to me since I cannot follow so many of the differential equations that support his theses, BUT, the thing I did pick up is his explanation that it is asymmetry that we are trying to achieve in producing the OU. It is  perhaps asymmetry that the chloroplasts inherently make before their molecular activities begin. They have everything they need except a bit of energy. When that is supplied in the specific form of light, (thanks to the mineral Mg) the energy conversion process begins.

I will refrain from producing a scanned pic of my old text with the Krebs cycle drawn in., because, I guess what we are attempting IS as you say a silicon based cell inspired by the carbon based cycle of energy.

Now, if this helps, I will add,

In the Krebs cycle, sunlight, CO₂, and water combine to produce the glucose that can be used and stored by the body of the plant for immediate or later use. It does this with the help of enzymes that work within a temperature boundary. All of it uses carbon molecules for its purpose. That utterly brilliant mechanism is not what we need to replicate, however, and, as you point out, we do have much of what we are looking for.

Perhaps we are putting all of it together too much. I mean, maybe we need to leave OUT something so that when the environment provides it, it can produce electricity.

or
Perhaps we should be careful not to combine Si mineral cells with C mineral cells? maybe they don't "fit" together too well.


Who knows, maybe we will end up making a new form of solar cell, instead of Hi band radio wave cell?? (Or, maybe the simple warmth of a hand will give a rochelle salt based cell enough energy to start it up?)

Now that I am getting too far gone for even me, I will stop. 

Except to say it seems the green tourmaline sounds like a very good choice in a crystal cell.

Now, where am I going to find THAT already ground for me!! 

jeanna

Brilliant guys, just brilliant.

Do you realize I've spent the whole morning wiring up a cabbage and now the carrots have done a runner. 

@Bill:  got to get me some of that plankton, can you help ?  If it doen't work I could always ferment it and make luminous beer. ( lite beer)

@jeanna: how much tourmaline would you like ground? 

Now wheres that artichoke.

Ian

Is bioluminescence a new word for phosphorescent bacteria and plankton? It sounds like the same thing. They sparkle when you dip your oar into the water. You can only see them when the night is very dark. It seems almost like peizo to me. the stirring being a kind of squeezing?

So, phosphorus...

Isn't that what dragons use? Don't they chew on phosphorous rich rocks then blast away?

I haven't slept enough the military base was bombing all night. grrr. Bring out the dragons and stop those dogs!

jeanna

I found this on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phu2vZIPvhw

I followed the link on there and got this picture.  It looks pretty bright.  I am not sure the video is of the same thing, or just an led in a bulb but the photo is cool.

Bill
 

Lumen
Igneolumens Aegobathysulcus

 
This creature, known commonly as lumen, normally lives in the depths of the Marianas Trench in the Pacific Ocean near the tropical island of Guam. The organism provides its own light through a process of bioluminescence whose purpose is not yet fully understood. Lumen feeds off of the decomposing carcasses of sea creatures which drift to the bottom as well as krill.

Lumen is believed to be related to the rhizostomae order of sea jellies, since species of this order have neither tentacles nor other structures at the bell's edges. This organism incorporates a plexus of autonomic nerves and exhibits a curious peristaltic reflex to haptic stimuli.

There have been reported sightings of lumen which have grown to be up to three yards in diameter.

This lumen is contained here in a specially manufactured pressurized barometric capsule to simulate the extreme conditions under which the lumen normally live, over 1,000 times the atmospheric pressure at sea level.

This fine specimen was captured by Capt. Lysander Starr Jameson of the H.M.C.S. Yarmouth, who lead the submarine expedition to the depths of the Marianas Trench.

 
A Generous Bequest of Mme. Letitia Napier Rathmore

 

 

 

 

 

 

Andy Doro, Ai-Chen Lin & Rory Nugent

 

 (http://andydoro.com/lumen/images/lumenwide.jpg)

Well, that's not what Hutchison said about it himself.

He said his cells consist of:
- Rochelle Salt
- Pyrite (crushed)
- Galena (crushed)
- perhaps added Germanium diodes (crushed)
- mix heated, melted, poured in any type of metal container but preferably silver
- central electrode inserted, high voltage DC applied during cool-down

He also indicated that he used the pebbles and rocks in his "dirt cheap" version
as cheap source of "exotic silicates".

But nowadays he's too busy with his new friend Paris Hilton to do much of anything,
it seems. 

In any case, welcome to the Crystal Cell group on this forum.
Your cell output sounds like it is in the same ballpark as the output
some of us have been able to get out of our various Crystal Cell versions.
Some of those made by members of our little group here actually put
out a considerably higher voltage at something around 1 Volt, but the
amperage part is what we really want to increase. We have been able
to get values to around 2 or 3 milliamps so far, in various tests.

I would like to hear your ideas on increasing amperage.
Would you mind trying to outline them a little more clearly than you have
done in your previous post? Thanks.

Regards,
Koen