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Offline ian middleton

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2008, 01:50:34 PM »
G'day all.

@Koen:  You,ve highlighted a problem I have been considering for a while. That is the polarization of the mix against the natural polarization of a p-n junction.  This probably why the polarity on my mixes reverse when the voltage is removed. I have and experiment going at the moment where the polarizing electric field (6000V) is insulated from the mix by mylar insulators. I will continue with this configuration for another week or so to make sure the mix is dry.

For the nitidation of the negative electrode I will heat treat the copper ( cherry red ) and then quench it in ammonia. The fumes will be fun. ;D
Not sure whether it will work but it is worth a try.

The silicon/borax "soap" has hardend over the last couple of days and now I cant get the stuff out of the pot. I can dig bits out and it has the same consistancy of hard parrfin wax. It looks like a very suitable candidate for an electret.

To make the stuff I dissolved 229gm of sodium meta silicate in 250ml of hot water, this makes a viscous solution of sodium silicate.
I let that stand over night to cool. It gets a little thicker.  I then used 60ml of that stock solution and added 1/4 teaspoon of borax.
Stirred until dissolved. That stood over night and was still a clear fluid.  I then gave it a good vigorous shake( just for the hell of it) and then it turned into a solid.

Like yourself I have made a number of sand cookies and they became brittle and crumbly.

After another 12 hour short circuit the "pie" bounced back to 0.480V.  :)

More later

Ian.

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2008, 04:19:13 PM »
Ian, Jeanna,

here's a partial translation of dr. Dieter Stachewski's paper "Eigenpotenziale als Wirkung latenter Raumenergie".
I have selected (parts of) the paragraphs covering Browns petrovoltaic effect, the gypsum, and the agate stones.
Other parts of his paper, covering the subject of orgon-accumulators and photoresistors in the search for self-potentialisation,
I will leave out (for now). Sumaries and addendums are inserted between [].

(from the paragraph "T.T.Browns Petrovoltaic-effekt":)
"... [summary: Brown in the years 1931-'33] systematically looked for the cause of extraordinary potentials, that occur specifically in heavy rock types.
He called this effect "petrovoltaic" [(stone voltage)], and suspected that these "self-potentials" are caused by rectification of gravitational cosmic radiation,
and especially in polarisable and specifically heavy dielectrics. ..."
"The measured petrovoltaic potentials incidentally reached 0,7 Volt. Therefor, Brown finally attempted to activate as electrets materials such as Tungsten-carbide
or Barium-titanate, embedded in a binding agent, by exposing the material to thermic treatement and very high direct current. In his 1976 patent application it is said,
that a battery made in such a way can produce electrical current forever ("indefinately").  Test results and other data are entirely unknown. [...]"
"Measurements at U.S. universities; During the period 1974-'78 research teams from five U.S. universities involved themselves with attempts to fully comprehend the petrovoltaic effect. The well planned experiments basically confirmed Browns experimental findings concerning the changes in potential with respect to its dependence of place and time, and a barely registerable potential decrease even when surrounded by massive shielding, such as inside mountain complexes [(probably means shielding from outside environment in the electrical sense)], and also sporadic outbursts of current. The most important find was the simultaneous occurrance of these "bursts" in widely seperated samples, which were seperated by a distance of 80 km, which seems to indicate a form of outside irradiation. The second aspect [(of Browns claims concerning the effect he measured)], which is the interaction between self-potential and electrical conductivity, was investigated and not found. It was found that the overall effect was not limited to crystalline materials. A clear conclusion as to this phenomenon was not drawn [(author literally writes "avoided")]."
"Authors own attempts; Some personal attempts using [plates of] Agate stone and specifically light weight materials such as wood, wool, gypsum, proton-emitting membranes (PEMs), and other dielectrics show, that the Brownian potentials can theoretically form in all polarisable materials, more or less ([or: to a higher or lower degree]). In practice this mostly meant activation by applying a higher starting voltage. Brown probably owes his discovery to the fact that his [original] Granite and lava-rocks had already been charged ("activated", to connect better with the previous sentence) by electrical currents inside the earth. In Geophysics nowadays it is routine to measure the self-potentials and conductivity of rock- and sediment layers. However, in the related literature ([of geophysics]) the Brown petrovoltaic effect does not occur. In geophysics literature, for example, "graphitisation" of minerals is postulated as explanation of the abnormal "metallic" conductivity that has been witnessed to occur in some rocks. The abnormal conductivity as well as the storage of electrical energy in active dielectrics are indications of self-potentials, and as such are of importance in order to understand the phenomena."

(from the paragraph on Gypsum:)
"Self-potentials in Gypsum; Autogenic potentials in freshly prepared building gypsum [...] are created easily for example due to the "Trigger-Effect" of a resistance measurement. [...] Gypsum filled plastic tubing is used, such as a plastic water hose coiled up with a 21 cm diameter and 3 to 4 windings, was used. The liquid gypsum paste was pushed ([pumped]) into the tubing using compressed air, which caused some of the gypsum to be pushed out the other end and caused some air bubbles in the gypsum. As electrodes ([stainless?]) steel screws were used. Some of these gypsum coils produced longer lasting voltages up to 300 mV. Here too there were undeninable fluctuations in potential, as well as a potential drop after introduction of the coil into the Orac ([Orgone Accumulator, which he used in the photoresistor tests he described right before this paragraph.]). Only halfway april next year did the potential of that coil start to rise, and finally reached an average potential of 100 mV [...]. ([note: connected diagrams show this specific gypsum coil + Orac experiment to have taken place in the beginning of december.]) Gypsum in plastic mold/encasing can hold its self-potential in air under normal circumstances for 1 to 2 years, although it does disappear as time progresses due to dehydration. When a plastic cover is removed, one will then find a completely dry gypsum."

(from the paragraph on Agate and PEMs:)
"Self-potentials in Agate stones and Proton-emission membranes.
Flat discs ([plates]) of Agate stone, cut and polished, 3 to 5 mm thick, prove to be carriers of self-potentials, insomuch as they allow themselves to be activated by induced direct current or atmospheric energies. In contact with metal foils they show the characteristics of a capacitor on the one hand and on the other hand they show characteristics of a high ohmic resistor ([a high electrical resistance]). After start activation by charging and bridging using a resistor reference ([?]), at first a rapid discharge of mostly the metal foils occurs, after which mostly a slowly decreasing voltage curve occurs. [a comparison referring to a diagram follows, basically showing how a 2.8 mm thick agate slice appears to react much more strongly to the juli summer heat and produce a significantly higher potential, than a slice of 5mm thick does. Both show the decreasing voltage curve, but the 2.8mm one shows a potential rise at some point, while the thicker one does not. The thin slice shows potentials ranging from 0,1 to 0,7 Volt, the thicker slice does not go higher than 0,3 Volt.] In this context it may be mentioned that commercial humidity sensors measure the change in capacitance, or at least in conductivity of hydrophile dielectrics, using porous electrodes to allow the absorption of watter from its surroundings. The author has found that fully covered ([=completely encased and isolated from the environment]) Agate stones function similarly, although not so much as room humidity sensors but rather as indicators of water "radiation" ([?]) in the atmosphere. [note: I don't really know what he means with water "radiation" in the atmosphere, nor why he connects his agate potential to water in the first place, although in his diagram it looks like the potential of some of his agate slices does indeed increase around days with significantly more rain.]
Contact influence; A constructively important aspect of Agate sample (cells) is the effect of the elctrode materials on the potential buildup. In agate cell ACH26 [(dr. Stachewski's own numbering system for his experiments)] copper and aluminium foil were used (Cu-Al), in cell ACH10, ACH9 and ACH15 gold leaf on copper foil and aluminium foil (Cu/Au-Al), and in ACH31 to 33 as well as ACH36 both electrodes were gold leaf on copper foil (Cu/Au-Cu/Au) were used. Based on the electrochemical potential series of the metals, certain electrodes can develop a potential difference of up to 3 Volt (Au-Al) and thus activate the crystal. However, in practice this support of self-potential is much, much smaller. The combination Cu-Al at the very first start of testing of ACH26 (without battery current) showed a very brief 180mV/10M, while the Cu/Au-Al contacts delivered 600 to 700 mV/10M only in two cases, and briefly at start [of measurement]. The samples ACH9 and ACH15 show the highest positions in [output] diagram 3b, but this may well be caused by the agate sample itself [and not necessarily by the electrode addition]. Over time the Cu-electrodes colour changes into black, and the Al-foil colour into white. Imprints of the quartz-containing ring structures of the agate are created. [I presume in the oxidation on the electrodes a similar pattern to that of the agate structure itself may be recognised.] Although oxidation of the contact electrodes increase electrical resistance, it is questionable if this contributes in any significant way to the high resistance of the cell, since agate has a very high internal resistance of its own already."
"Attempts with PEM-membranes;
Electrodes covered in gold leaf or galvaniccally onlaid gold were needed primarily for dual sided contacts of PEM-membranes, which contain sulfuric acid groups (SO3H) chemically bonded to Fluoropolymers (Teflon). As test objects we used dry foils of Nafion N127 (NAF1, -2) and N117 (Dupont de Nemours, USA), as well as several types of Fumapem (FUM1-3 from Fumatech GmbH, St. Ingbert) related to [/of the type] foils of 30 to 200 micrometer and partly in several layers up to 1mm thick total.
As with the agate simultaneous weather-related potential fluctuations occur in the PEM-membranes, in which they show a greater sensitivity to the air humidity levels. NAF1 was the smallest PEM-object with only 4 square cm of membrane between guilded nickel plates. The other membranes generally have surfaces of approx. 100 square cm. Not all probes of the same material build up self potentials. Often the potential of a membrane after activation would drop to a very low value, without ever rising again. One of such probes, a single sheet of N127 (64 sq. cm, 0,2mm thick) were submitted to a long term test with battery current. This probe clearly showed a stronger weather energy and maximal self potentials of probe NAF1 (also from N127) very distinct measurements, which calculated into ohms show a resistance drop in the probe of 10 Ohm maximum at 0,3 to 0,5 Ohm. [Unclear][...]"

This paragraph on PEMs continues some more, but since I doubt we are going to use any Teflon in our experiments I decided to cut it short. ;)
The paper also includes some more paragraphs on tests of outside influences on various types of probes, the typical self-recharge characteristics of some of the probes (generally they show periodic charge increase up to a certain level, then no increase. After discharges they recharge again, slowly, periodically, and in many cases depending on the air humidity and outside temperature. Interesting is the behaviour of some probes, which seem to react indeed to the presence of water, even when the probe materials themselves cannot come into contact with any of the water... theoretically nothing should happen because the water does not have any direct physical effect on the material.), some measurements when several of these probes were connected to eachother in series or parallel, and some speculation on "latent energy" and possible interactions with the human body.


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2008, 10:37:37 PM »
Thank you Koen1 for translating this.
 lots to think about. Charging rocks with high voltage is way above any training I could call upon (except the biology training that says be careful). I am particularly intrigued about the humidity element. It is becomming a theme. hmm
thank you,
jeanna

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2008, 10:53:06 PM »
G'day all,

Koen , many many thanks for the work you have put into the translation. There is alot of information in it that confirms many of our findings already.

Are there any more details on the size of the direct current used during polarization? I ask because I have found that a large current, greater than an amp, can be disruptive to the mix and almost distructive to the electrodes. I have had no success with cells that displayed electrolysis at the electrodes during polarization.

The idea that most polarizable materials will display self potential sits easy with me. The cells I made from loaded resin (high dielectric materials) still show voltage even after 4 years.

I know where to get some thin polished agate plates so next payday I'll be off to the rock shop ( again).

Interestingly, these agate slices have been dyed different colours although some are natural. Just a thought :  If a dye colour can be impregnated throughout the slice, what are the chances that a dopant of some kind could be inserted the same way?  Must find out about the dying process.

Thanks once again Koen, you have given me plenty to think about. (May the lower resistance be with you  ;D ;D)

Hi jeanna   ;)

catch you guys later.

Ian


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2008, 11:21:25 PM »
  If a dye colour can be impregnated throughout the slice, what are the chances that a dopant of some kind could be inserted the same way?  Must find out about the dying process.
Ian
I'll bet it can.
This may help for starters. I have had some (My idea of some ie with lots of forward motion) experience with natural dyes. I doubt the agate dyes used were plant dyes, but the dyes used may be synthetic versions of plant dyes.
So, the dyes are a metal salt.
In dyeing, the fiber is first impregnated by a metal salt that adheres to the fiber on one side and to the dye on the other. then the dye is added. The dye which is also a salt combines with the metal salt and so the whole thing sticks molecularly to the fiber.
I wonder what your research will show.
jeanna

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« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2008, 12:25:45 AM »
You're welcome guys, but thanks for the thanks.  ;)

@Ian: I cannot find any clear mention of how much current Staschewski applied to his probes.
I am also not entirely certain a high current is actually used... In some descriptions of electret building
for example they clearly state one should apply a high voltage, but no mention is made of actual current;
and like you said, a high amperage will cause electrochemical interactions and reactions in the material.
Even if no electrolysis occurs, charge carrying particles will move back and forth between electrodes
(if the medium allows them that much freedom of motion, and if the voltage is high enough), and this
probably does not have a positive effect on the internal structure of the final material. Or at least, I suppose
it doesn't. Except of course if the material matrix is rigid enough to keep all particles in place more or less,
yet allows electrons themselves to move through the matrix. But if you have that kind of material, let me know. ;)
In any case, I think polarisation of the material can be done without current, by applying an isolating layer between
the "charging" electrode and the material that is to be polarised. If a high voltage is applied to the plate/electrode,
and an opposing charge to the opposite electrode, the electric field between the plates should still polarise the material
but no actual current should flow. (depends on how high the voltage is, how thick the layer of material, and how
good the isolator.) However, i do think Staschewski applied a direct current to his probes, but I don't know how much.
I'll see if I can find out.
As for the agate stones, their output seems to depend very much on the humidity and temperature, according to dr. Staschewski's
diagrams. They clearly show how the voltage curve of various agate samples mimics both rises and drops in both those parameters
over the course of a couple of months. His remark that the agate voltage also reacts to outside humidity when it is entirely isolated
from the outside is interesting, though. I guess that's what he meant when he said they react to "water radiation in the atmosphere".
Dye is not exactly my specialty, but if it is possible to impregnate agate with dye I suppose one could indeed select dyes containing
the right p and n particles and use them as 'dopant'. Good idea. :)

@jeanna: indeed, the humidity thing is a theme in the paper; one if dr Staschewskis main goals seems to have been to study the
effects of various influences on his various samples. Some of his diagrams show material voltage per day, but also the temperature,
atmospheric pressure, amount of rainfall, sometimes even whether there was a thunderstorm or not. Some materials like the agate
stones show a clear sensitivity to the rainfall/humidity levels as well as the temperature outside, while the PEMs seem to show more
sensitivity to only the outside temperature, the gypsum samples seem to indicate a decline of voltage over time (probably due to drying
out gradually, as the author said), and very little to no direct reaction to outside temp nor humidity, and the wood samples he tested seem
to show a slow but steady increase of voltage to a max of around 100mV and apparently completely unrelated to the environmental influences.
Mind you, all samples are kept indoors at room temperature, around 24 degrees celcius, so the outside temperature and humidity
should not have any effect on the samples directly. Why some of the samples do react to these outside circumstances is quite a good question.
The author does mention, in another paragraph:
" [...] All of the studied materials had a common quality: they were all hydrophiles, in other words, either hygroscopic or containing some degree of
crystal- or 'pore'-water. [Many silicates contain a degree of water, including most types of rock. Some can absorb quite some water and release
it again when heated, others simply consist of a structure with water 'encased' in it. Fyi.] Liquid water with its dielectric contant of around 80 is a
material that can be polarised well. It is known that for example wood [and other materials] absorb water from the air humidity. [Author is hinting
toward the relation between water content, waters dielectric polarisation characteristic, and measured voltage in certain materials] Simple
measurements with a voltmeter show that wooden surfaces in the open, as well as for example wet cellar walls, depending on the circumstances,
can show charges up to 1 V for a short period of time. [...]"
... which does indeed seem to indicate that he considers water contained in various materials to play some kind of role in the voltage generation.
However, he does not really get back to the water later on in the paper, he focuses increasingly on the dry and isolated material samples, and
their voltages and recharge characteristics and the relation of those to outside circumsances. It seems the water content was something he pointed out,
but never really picked up again.

Meanwhile preliminary measurements on a 'fresh' cell variation I made seem to indicate around 500mV max voltage, which after having been shorted
seems to return to the full 500mV within about 10 minutes. It's not much but it's another little bit of positive stimulation to keep trying. ;D
« Last Edit: February 07, 2008, 01:12:24 AM by Koen1 »

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« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2008, 01:08:48 AM »
Hi all,
@jeanna, thanks for the info on dyes. I'm on it.

The sensitivity of a completely isolated peice of agate to water I find fascinating, must explore that one. :)

For what it is worth, burying a solar panel to see if there is any effects from earth currents returns no voltage, no current and a stiff back through digging.  ;D

The" tuna can" cell I made 2 weeks ago and put on the shelf and forgot about has just measured 0.175V but the polarity has completely reversed  ??? Wonder how'd we go with a "rock lobster" ;D

Ok back to the lab Igor.

Ian

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« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2008, 01:21:52 AM »
Lol

that reversal is indeed interesting... could be a very late opposite polarisation reaction? You did put it there
so it could dry and you could make sure there were no electrochemical reactions going on inside, right?
So it may be that that has happened, and what you have now is the true polarised potential of the dry material?

lol burying your solar panel... where'd you get that idea? ;)
I have heard of this trick, sort of the opposite: you put a metal plate on your roof, then put one on (preferably in)
the ground (!) in your basement, and put a potted plant on that. Then you take another metal plate, suspend it
over the plant as if it were a lamp, and connect it to the plate on your roof usig a wire. It is claimed the plant will
grow as if it is receiving sunlight. I do not know if this is true, have not tested it nor do I know anyone who has.

Good luck with your rock lobster experiment. ;D

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« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2008, 02:01:01 AM »
Afternoon all.

@Koen  The tuna cell was well away from any detectable electric influences as far as I can tell.
I put it aside to "mature" after it was baked. Initial voltage was -35mV, so I forgot about it. Now as I said it's reading +0.175V.  You may be right.


Many years ago I did the experiment with the metal plate on the roof and that attached to a screen above a grounded seed tray. All in the dark. It works, but only if the plate on the roof is insulated. I used 3 or 4 coats of clear varnish and coax for the cable. Thanks for reminding me, I have some notes on it somewhere.
Also using the same technique I had the roof cable attached to a coil in a container of water to charge it. I would drink the water and then come up with weird ideas like burying solar panels.. ;D ;D

But the water was also used to water plants with positive results.  At the same time I was running tests on plants with a GSR  gizmo I built. Same as Cleve Baxter. Very interesting results.

Charging rock mixes with radiant energy.. HHmmmm.

Onward and upward.

Ian

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2008, 06:51:38 AM »
I've been looking into creating a crystal cell (and other energy sources) myself when I stumbled upon this topic. I've made a list of materials that seem to be mentioned anywhere that rocks and electricity are mentioned, but I don't know that much about the materials or the way they could react. My biggest concerns are causing some kind of electrical fire, explosion, or creating some kind of toxic gas.

I'm also thinking of making a chart organizing what materials effect the voltage, but I don't want to get too in depth with the ratio of materials used, for now. Does anyone think it will negatively effect the voltage if I use equal amounts of each material? (Except water, which will stay constant.)

Also, I noticed that the creation of these cells for the most part lacks mechanical pressure, commonly found in the creation of natural crystals. Has anyone considered putting their pies under a press while cooling, in addition to giving it an electrical charge? If only to see the voltage difference it makes, and possibly make it less crumbly. :)

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« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2008, 07:52:18 AM »
G'day Nihilanth,  welcome aboard.

It looks like you've read all the previous posts and although a number of chemicals have been mentioned the most dangerous part would probably be the people using them.  ;D

The idea being to produce a crystaline rock battery with common everyday substances. Kitchen chemistry if you like. As for the ratios of different chemicals to use, well thats research in progress for all of us I think.

Putting a cell under pressure while cooling may very well change it's characteristics, in fact I'm sure it would. How much pressure did you have in mind?

Please feel free to share any results you may get, Koen is very knowlegable about this subject and jeanna has an uncanny ability to throw in brilliant ideas from left field. :D

If you already haven't done so check out the researches of John Hutchison and Marcus Reid.
Have fun mixing and perhaps you'll end up like me, my kitchen looks like a rock shop. lol


Ian

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« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2008, 02:26:58 PM »
lol yeah, my workshop looks like a cross between a loopy bakers kitchen and
the room of an old cement mixer that went coocoo. There's bits of rock and
gravel, jars of sand, metal scraps, and other material powders, and various
types of solidified stains and puddles covering my work table and surrounding area.
:)

@Ian: it occurred to me that opal mining is a big thing in Australia, and
that opals are in fact a type of compound chalcedone, which is in fact
a fancy name for non-crystalline quartz. Agate stones are the layered
and nice looking variety of chalcedone, usually formed in hollows inside
rocks/seidiments, where the agate "grows" from the outside 'wall' of the
cavity toward the center. The consecutive layers of chalecedone then
tend to have different colours (and compositions), and this makes for
a nicely varied and layered agate stone.
Opals are basically rocks that consist of a great many tiny chalcedone
"balls"/"pellets", which give rise to the specific colour plays that are
so typical of opals. Ok, so that was my quick visit to rockville ;)
My point is this: if you are interested in and planning to get some
agate stones and use them in your experiments and studies,
you may want to take a look at opals too. Especially if you are
considering to grind/crush them into small pieces for incorporation into
your "cookies", the opal might be worth looking at...

@Nihilanth: hi there. Good to see there's more people interested in this stuff. :)
Yes, I think Ian put it right, the idea is to not get into too complex chemistry
so that we can basically do it "in the kitchen". Our current approaches seem to border
heavily on the ceramics side, and I don't think many people consider pottery
and clays to be very chemical per se. ;)
Although I have been doing some experiments with some more aggressive
chemicals, but I would advise not to do so unless you are certain you know what
you're doing. Chemical burns are not nice and to be avoided at all times.
For the most part, the household chemicals we use, and certainly the ones used
by Ian and Jeanna in their experiments, are not really dangerous and there
is very little chance of creating a chemical fire, toxic gas, or explosion.
But of course, it helps if you have some basic chemistry knowledge. ;)
As for the ratios, it all depends on which materials you are considering to mix.
I tend to use atomic/molar ratios and then calculate them into roughly the amount
of material in grams needed to perform the desired reaction, but since we're
very much in the experimental stages still the "estimating by feeling" approach
may work quite well. Simply adding a little bit more of the one and a little less of the
other, using educated guesses to determine the amounts, may work quite well
at this stage. Then, once you're confident you're getting some output that is
not a result of ongoing electrochemical reactions (usually when the compound has
has dried out completely), you can start to refine the mix to improve output.
I would like to see those lists/charts of yours some time, if I may. :)
As for the pressure idea, yes, I have considered that, but at present I do not have a
setup in which I can generate a high pressure and still be able to stirr, heat, and
otherwise work the material mix. Another idea is to perform the process at a
high temperature in an oxygen-free chamber, so that none of the materials
can oxidise excessively at that temperature, yet the silicium and other materials
do get hot enough to melt. That approach seems interesting too, but at present
is also not practically possible (in my case, at least). Have the plans for an argon
filled kiln lying around somewhere, but that will need to wait until I'm rich. ;)
At present I am focusing on the temperature range between room temp and a low
heat of maximum 200 degrees celcius, and using mainly easily obtainable
chemicals such as silicon and other silicates, some borax, some sodium carbonate,
some sand, some metal powder/scraps, and various other materials that I would
not advise to eat. Or inhale, for that matter. ;D


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2008, 04:53:53 AM »
   I only really thought of adding a little additional weight to the pies. I don't exactly have anything lying around that I think would be useful to put some weight on a still-hot, cooling mixture. Maybe around thirty pounds or so, possibly just using a big vice or something. If only to test to see if it has an effect on the voltage. The oxygen-free chamber idea sounds interesting, although that argon kiln thing does seem a bit too expensive. This seems like more of the type of thing I'd try: http://www.instructables.com/id/make-a-manual-vacuum-pump-for-under-%2420-by-convert/ :P

   I've read plenty on John Hutchison and Marcus Reid, and similar experiments, I'm just getting back into experimenting with free energy after a fairly long hiatus which I spent researching hypnosis. I was thinking of adding aluminum to my mixture, and remembered aluminum reacts with water. I realized that was stupid, because aluminum foil wouldn't, but some of the other things I don't know the entire composition of might when mixed together. The fact that I don't know what will happen with some of the materials together seemed a tad unnerving, so I'm thinking of a few safety measures. I don't have any reasonably pure quartz, so I've thought of substituting it with silica gel from packets in shoes, I also thought of substituting Calcite with sidewalk chalk, maybe adding Bismuth, because Bismuth is awesome.  ;D

   A month or so ago, after watching the TechTV video of John Hutchison I noticed that adding water wasn't mentioned in the process. One of the cans he showed contained the crushed rocks he picked, and the other contained an unnamed white powder. I think that the "secret chemical" he used was Zeolite, it boils when heated rapidly and the air pockets in it can probably be filled with the other materials in the mixture. It's not exactly expensive, so I might try it out as a substitute for water. http://www.google.com/products?q=Zeolite+Cartridges

   Also thinking that there might be some possible casimir effect involved to get a decent voltage, and have been considering adding Mica flakes from an art supply store (it's got great cleavage ;)). It might be a while before I get all of the supplies I need, namely a high-voltage low-amperage DC power supply, so I thought I'd stop hogging some of my ideas. :P

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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2008, 05:48:52 AM »
I just though I'd mention that a pressure canner will give you 20 lb pressure at sea level. ;)

I personally think the compartmentalization is part of the mechanism of producing voltage. Koen1 and Ian , you have both mentioned this along with the p-n boundary .

In answer to a question I was sent to a website about graphite and carbon having semiconductor properties. What I got from that site was that the slices of carbon are separate from each other in graphite and that seems to be the operative elemant in the ability to express voltage. It is a structure thing maybe more than chemical.

[I am getting tired, maybe not making sense]

In spite of tiredness I want to mention this about magnetism.

I know you know this...

Electricity doesn't always go INTO something. it travels around the skin. And if you really want to introduce charge into something you must induce it by sending a magnetic pulse into it. The magnetic pulse will make the electricity happen inside the skin.

Maybe this will spark (magnetize  ;D ;D )  those brilliant ideas.

Oh dear,

I need a nap, but it is almost time to go to sleep.........

cheers,
jeanna


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2008, 06:52:55 AM »
G'Day all

@Nihilanth:  John Hutchision definately uses water in his mix, the water is then evapourated on his cook stove, but slow enough to allow his chemicals to crystalize. From what I can deduce this process takes about an hour. So he doesn't use a great deal of heat.
What are your thoughts on using bismuth. How do you think it may improve the mix ?

There are many sources of quartz, kids playground sand is ok, but as you have seen JH uses mainly
clinker. Clinker contains many silicates of Mg, Al, Fe and Si ect.

Zeolite, I like it. Also you mention mica. If you get some course granite and pound it into a powder you will get micron size flakes of mica along with all the other silicates. It's hard work crushing granite even with a 4 pound hammer and my left thumb doesn't like it much either  ;D

Don't be shy when it comes to throwing stuff into the mix, but always keep acurate notes. I have one mix going at the moment that has 2 aspirin in it and another (don't laugh) where I used urine as the "wetting" agent  ::) I'm going to call this one a P CELL  ;D

Here is a picture or two of the "pie" and another cold hardened cell that has got 6000V  charge trapped between the lower silica base and the upper solid crystal crust.  I gave me a mighty jolt when I tried to move it.

@jeanna: Yes you are spot on with the graphite, the structure is all important.

Thats about it for now.


See ya'll later
Ian


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Re: Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison
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