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Author Topic: Ed Gray's Magic Tube  (Read 26867 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2014, 03:52:52 PM »
Turbo
"A better world"
Our only motivation, and the best one !!
 
This quote slapped me in the face from your post # 13 on this thread
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Turbo
Quote
I found that when you hit the already charged metal with a high voltage source, two things happen.
1. you get a natural response that can be loaded, and which settles things down again so that the charge on the metal will again be equal to the charge of the local evinronment, and 2. if you do this fast enough, and at a frequency or a division or harmonic component that is related to the resonant frequency of the metal/wire, or wavelength of the wire that is being charged up, or for example extracted by a tuned tank circuit nearby, and he who sits in darkness shall see a bright light""
end quote
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Are we taliking NMR - NAR Here whilst the environment responds in a most productive way?
 
I certainly hope so..........
Thx
Chet

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2014, 03:52:52 PM »

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2014, 04:04:03 PM »
Thanks guy's  :)
Hope to make this a better world.

Dear Turbo.

With regard to the video.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNDJcyLBf0c

Does the pancake coil have any bearing on your experiment ??

Cheers Grum.

Addendum. Sorry turbo !! I have just watched an earlier video and realised that the Pancake coil is your receiver !!  :-[

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2014, 05:28:05 PM »
Turbo
"A better world"
Our only motivation, and the best one !!
 
This quote slapped me in the face from your post # 13 on this thread
""
Turbo
Quote
I found that when you hit the already charged metal with a high voltage source, two things happen.
1. you get a natural response that can be loaded, and which settles things down again so that the charge on the metal will again be equal to the charge of the local evinronment, and 2. if you do this fast enough, and at a frequency or a division or harmonic component that is related to the resonant frequency of the metal/wire, or wavelength of the wire that is being charged up, or for example extracted by a tuned tank circuit nearby, and he who sits in darkness shall see a bright light""
end quote
--------------------------
 
Are we taliking NMR - NAR Here whilst the environment responds in a most productive way?
 
I certainly hope so..........
Thx
Chet

Chet,

Not directly, this is about using the available voltage from the earth's electric field, to create current, by forcing the natural re-balancing flux to flow through the load , or to convert energy from the earth's electric field into radiowaves in the electromagnetic field of the earth.
I hope you noticed the simplicity of the very first experiment i presented.
Don't make things too complicated, the simplest solution is the best solution, most of the times.
All i can say is that if you want to know more you have to do these experiments yourself, simply because, to he who has, more shall be given.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2014, 05:35:40 PM »
Turbo
That sounded so nice I had to write it Twice [or again]

@Turbo  Quote
""Not directly, this is about using the available voltage from the earth's electric field, to create current, by forcing the natural re-balancing flux to flow through the load
end quote""
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And yes I do understand the work ethic and also appreciate that part.
 
thanks for lighting this thread up as well as our interest!
 
Chet K


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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2014, 06:24:30 PM »
You can click my website button for an example of the mechanism i was describing.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNDJcyLBf0c)

Hi Turbo,
  the video you link to- can you explain what's going on there please?

I.e. what's the setup - presumably the coil in the background is related?

Thanks

EDIT:
I found this vid of yours which explains:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ze8cVIqSkQ

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2014, 06:24:30 PM »
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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2014, 06:39:55 PM »
It's a small portion of another larger video in which the circuit is shown.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2014, 07:05:38 PM »
It's a small portion of another larger video in which the circuit is shown.

Hi Turbo,
  it would have been nice if you'd just posted a link to the full video - rather than expecting people to find it for themselves... :(

Having had my little moan, I have to say I found both these vids of yours pretty good: :)

 - Marco's Dancing Magnets (I like this one a lot!) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XghAn9olnsI
 - Ion Wind - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNwFKUm9xUs

How did your multipactor work out?

Regards, Tim

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2014, 07:05:38 PM »
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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2014, 07:22:28 PM »
I've had a play with the tube I made... It works almost exactly as I thought it would under my test conditions...

 - The 2 mesh 'collectors' experience capacitive coupling with the electrodes.
 - The output is a bit less than with solid conductors
 - Adding the outside earthed electrode does increase the voltage difference between the 2 collectors
 - There's no noticable excess current coming from any ionisation, but then there shouldn't be...

I got the speed of sparking up to about 900Hz, and I think I can get it up to maybe 5KHz with some tuning & more power. Using about 40 watts ATM...

I've been reading about Farnsworth & Multipactors, from the links Wings posted. What a totally awesome bloke he was. I'm humbled by his genius. Wow.


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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2014, 11:51:45 AM »
Thanks Wings, good links.

I think I need to try the carbon resistor in the tube... Will see what I can find...

Here's a website with loads of cool home experiments - including making CR tubes...
http://www.teralab.co.uk/Glass_Blowing/CRT_A/CRT_A_Page1.htm

Edit: And another gray tube replication:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1aCmHL2xL8

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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2014, 11:51:45 AM »
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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2014, 11:31:05 PM »
Thanks Wings, good links.

I think I need to try the carbon resistor in the tube... Will see what I can find...

Here's a website with loads of cool home experiments - including making CR tubes...
http://www.teralab.co.uk/Glass_Blowing/CRT_A/CRT_A_Page1.htm

Edit: And another gray tube replication:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1aCmHL2xL8

during your test try to experiment different material
http://www.upv.es/satelite/trabajos/Grupo9_99.00/multipac.htm#prin
....because the effect is different
....probably the multipactor effect is also used by Dr.Schwartz in his ERR Fluxgenerator where plate of Aluminum and Bismuth


 see US2739084 [/size]are interconnected  with coils
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:ERR_Fluxgenerator_by_Noah's_Ark_Research_Foundation
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http://www.overunity.com/7842/selfrunning-3-kwatts-err-unit-powering-3-x-800-watt-lamps/#.UtjFsGSwbVM
there is an ESA program that predict multipactor effect
http://multipactor.esa.int/
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 08:37:06 AM by wings »



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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2014, 08:56:46 PM »
I spent some time reading about the Correas, and Pavel Imris again... The Correas work with plasma is similar to many others so I wanted to try something out...

So, I've been playing aroung using a 70w Metal Halide bulb - which is an arc bulb - as a spark gap. It's pretty cool.

Using the car ignition coil to drive it:
 - plasma will form with under 1w of input power.
 - If I put a capacitor in parallel - it pulses nicely as the cap charges & discharges.
 - Above 2-3w input, with the cap, a permanent plasma forms.
 - As the power goes up - you can see the plasma rotating about the axis - it spins fast...

There are some interesting effects - but nothing overtly OU...

However, I have a HPS (high pressure sodium) bulb i bought for testing, and that has given me some interesting results - but I ran out of time... Will do more tomorrow... The HPS bulb:
 1) Is pressurised to about 200 Torr (EDIT- Um, that's just 1/4 atmospheric pressure...)
 2) Gave me one massive 'radiant event'. It's resistance is high - the capacitor built up a big charge - and when it dumped it thru the bulb - it was quite exciting... But i now have shorting problems at the connector...
 3) Produces a huge electric field when it's powered - so much it stops the TV from working (10 feet away)

So - plenty more fun to be had... :)

Tim
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 11:05:14 PM by tim123 »

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2014, 09:03:17 PM »
Just a note - the Solid State Relay I'm using is a Teledyne 603-3 - man those things are fantastic. 250v 5A DC, and up to 32KHz switching speed... Another worthwhile ebay bargain...!

I think I may have burned it out - good job I have a few spares - but sometimes they just need a rest, it may be ok tomorrow...

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2014, 11:07:23 AM »
Another thing I tested yesterday was: Placing the pulsing bulb (70w halide) on a ferrite-cored coil, and also inside a larger coil.

Interestingly - I was able to get usable power out of the coils - enough to just light my test LEDs (a few milliwatts i'd guess)...

It's similar to having a spark gap inside an (air-cored) coil - I get a little bit of power out. The voltages are high - but the power is low. I'm not sure if it's an inductive or electrostatic effect - maybe a bit of both?

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
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