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Author Topic: Ed Gray's Magic Tube  (Read 26868 times)

Offline Turbo

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2014, 08:09:33 PM »
Good luck with that  :)

If you go above 25kV make sure to monitor X-Ray generation.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2014, 08:09:33 PM »

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2014, 08:19:27 PM »
Great job guys! Does anyone know what is the role of this carbon resistor on the discharge path? Is it the same like the ones that we use in electrical machinery like drills?

 

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2014, 08:44:55 PM »
The return resistor is to limit the current. I think that's what the patent says.

The patent doesn't describe the tube in much detail at all...

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2014, 09:00:09 PM »
The return resistor is to limit the current. I think that's what the patent says.

The patent doesn't describe the tube in much detail at all...

suggest to see :
http://www.overunity.com/1965/correas-pagd-in-action/msg22994/#msg22994

http://www.overunity.com/3628/farnsworth-fusor-and-multipactor/msg60125/#msg60125


Offline tim123

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2014, 09:01:34 PM »
Good luck with that  :)

If you go above 25kV make sure to monitor X-Ray generation.

Thanks :)

I just bought a 'Soeks Defender' - geiger counter. I'm quite concerned about the Fukushima situation. Not to mention all the other reactors around the world that are made from cardboard & sticky tape... It'd be ironic if i fried myself...

I've also been thinking about ionisation in the tube - in general...
 - I've just bought some UV LEDs to try in the tube - see if it helps...
 - I've made sure the ionised air from the spark can get to the collectors
 - I've ordered a uranium pottery sample - to test the Soeks. I might stick that in the tube too. lol.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2014, 09:01:34 PM »
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Offline tim123

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2014, 10:14:00 PM »
suggest to see...

Thanks Wings, interesting links :)

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2014, 07:34:18 AM »
I think the patent is very clear about the tube:

1. An electrical conversion switching element tube comprising:
a closed insulative housing (50);
a first low-voltage anode (32) mounted internally to said housing and extending internally to an electrical discharge area (62), said first anode adapted to be connected to a voltage source external to the housing;
a second high-voltage anode (12) mounted internally to said housing and extending internally to said electrical discharge area (62), said second anode also being adapted to be connected to a voltage source external to the housing;
electrically conductive means (34b) positioned internally within said housing and extending circumferentially about said second anode while being directly exposed thereto but not conductively connected thereto but, rather, spaced therefrom for receiving an electrostatic charge from the second anode when a discharge current is triggered across said discharge area between said first and second anodes, said charge receiving electrically conductive means also being internally mounted to said housing; and
an output terminal (60) communicating with said charge receiving electrically conductive means, said terminal adapted to be connected to an inductive load externally of said housing.
2. An electrical conversion switching element tube as claimed in claim 1, including a resistive element (30) in series with said first anode.
3. An electrical conversion switching element tube as claimed in claim 1 wherein:
said charge receiving electrically conductive means is tubularly shaped.
4. An electrical conversion switching element tube as claimed in claim 3, including
a second tubularly shaped charge receiving electrically conductive means (34a) positioned circumferentially about said first mentioned charge receiving electrically conductive means.

http://www.google.com/patents/US4661747

Also after the calculations were done it was said that a battery that would drive the load normally for 4 minutes would drive the same load in a Gray system for 25 minutes because the Gray system collectes and stores back in the battery, the Back EMF from the load.
I say this because it indicates that this system is more efficient then regular not BEMF collecting setups, and Gray never speakes of a situation whereas this system can provide overunity or energy forever nor is it a claimed overunity mechanism.
It's just a very efficient way of doing things by capturing and storing/ recycling otherwise wasted energy.

The situation i described yesterday does not apply to the GRay tube that i build, and tested, i was only trying to point you in a certain direction.

You can click my website button for an example of the mechanism i was describing.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2014, 07:34:18 AM »
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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2014, 01:36:27 PM »
Hi guys,
This is my first post in this thread. I really like it!
Couple years ago I published two articles about the theory of operation of the Gray's device. I posted it in this website, see this link: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F12328%2Fradiant-electriciy-generated-with-spark-gaps-and-induction-coils-theory%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F98810%2F&ei=633WUskchLOwBOrngIgE&usg=AFQjCNEilL99FB926B3loVIpMbJnHaKW2Q&bvm=bv.59378465,d.cWc
I also posted it in this forum: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11291-tesla-father-tpu-part-2-a.html
What I am proposing is kind of different from what you have read before. I did not like the explanations that make no sense. Just understand that it is a proposition only. But it makes a lot of sense to me. It addresses many of the questions that you have on this topic. For example, it explains in a logical manner the function of each component, including the carbon element.
Later on I will explain the similarities that I see between the devices of Gray and Tesla.
Please, let me know what you think.
Bajac

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2014, 01:39:08 PM »
I think the patent is very clear about the tube:

It doesn't give details of:
 - internal gasses or pressure of the tube
 - dimensions
 - materials
 - or most importantly: the operating principle

So I'd have to disagree.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2014, 01:50:09 PM »
Then why are you building ?  :)
I said as close as possible for a reason...this is where imagination and skill comes into play.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2014, 01:50:09 PM »
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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2014, 01:54:02 PM »
Turbo
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""You can click my website button for a good example.""
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Sir could you post a link [one link on previous page does not go thru]
 
thx
Chet

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2014, 02:30:29 PM »
Chet, it's the little globe icon under my profile name.


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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2014, 03:20:15 PM »
Thank you
I see the link goes here

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrdegare?feature=watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNDJcyLBf0c
 
Seems quite a simple claim ,and demands the respect of your years of hard work and research.
 
Thank you
Chet

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2014, 03:30:17 PM »
Chet, it's the little globe icon under my profile name.
great informations :)

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2014, 03:40:21 PM »
Thanks guy's  :)
Hope to make this a better world.

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Re: Ed Gray's Magic Tube
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