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Airstriker

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2010, 10:29:00 PM »
As promised, I give you SPANG's device info send to me on email (I edited it in a way to meat forum's restrictions):

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OVERBALANCING WHEEL
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This design, consists of; A 'top-wheel' (which is in
fact, two wheels,) a bottom-wheel, also two wheels, and
a pair of small wheels/cogs(?).
There is also a'pivot-arm', and a 'pivot-arm' connecting
-arm. Please see drawing. There are also a pair of
'continuous' chains.

Please don't forget; this idea is just that, an idea!
I have NOT built this device yet ----- I'm simply
looking for 'feedback'. Of course, I may be wrong -----
but that's the way it goes. I've been wrong before -----
and I'll probably be wrong again!

Anyway, here's how I think it will work.

The object of this device is to create EQUAL forces on
the top-wheel, which will overbalance due to the
positions OF these forces.
To start with, these forces are generated from the
bottom-wheels, and are produced by BOTH bottom-wheels.
The weight of each bottom-wheel, is basicaly up to you,
but I've gone for 20kgs each! 40kgs in total.
This means, there is a force operating on the top-wheel
of 10kgs + 10kgs + 20 kgs ----- 40 kgs! See drawing.
Because the bottom-wheel is supported by one side of
each chain (the other side being slack,) the bottom-
wheel will try to 'drop' ----- on the slack sides.
As it tries to drop, the slack-chained side of each
wheel, will be the direction each wheel will try to
'fall'. It's pretty obvious really, what will happen if
these wheels DO manage to drop ----- they will,
eventualy, tighten up their slack chains, and the whole
device would come to a standstill. This is something to
be avoided ----- like the plague! I thought about this
for a while, and came up with what I think is the
answer.
By placing two small wheels/cogs at the 6 O'clock
position on the bottom-wheel, this will prevent the
bottom-wheels from dropping, because, as each of the two
bottom-wheels try to drop, they will rotate their own
bottom-wheel, which, in turn, rotates one of these
small wheels/cogs. Because each of the bottom-wheels
is supported on different sides of their vertical axis,
these two small wheels/cogs will rotate in different
directions and opose each other ----- PREVENTING the
'drop' from happening. This leaves each bottom-wheel
with their 10kg force(s) ----- at different distances
from the top-wheels hub, and will cause overbalancing.
As I say, I might be wrong, there again, I might be
right! This 'judgment', I leave up to you.
This set-up, ensures the correct speed for each chain.
There is one wheel supplying its own force (and chain
speed), for each of the top-wheels two wheels.
Let's hope I'm right!


Airstriker

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2010, 10:31:47 PM »
To be honest, I don't really understand the way, the chains are mounted to the wheels. Could you explain it better SPANG ? Why some of them are drawn as discontinuous lines and some are solid ?

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2010, 02:11:41 AM »
Airstriker,
          Thanks for getting these documents on this forum for me. Well appreciated!
As to your query, the discontinuous lines equal the 'slack' section of each chain -----these slack sections of chain contain no force!
BILL.

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2010, 02:49:54 AM »
After having studied my own 'text' accompanying my drawing, I've seen a mistake which I'll now
put right!
I said, the forces acting on the top-wheel are; 10kgs + 10kgs + 20kgs ----------------- this is
incorrect!     What it SHOULD have read was; 20kgs + 20kgs.
How I made that mistake ----- I don't know!
Never mind ----- it's put right now. I just hope it hasn't 'put you off'.
BILL.

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2010, 04:45:05 AM »
Mr_Video,
            Just to put you right ---------------- my ORIGINAL email address  (being different from
my current address) was in MY name!
THIS email address, is in my WIFES' name, and I was not allowed to use (couldn't), my original
email address! So, I had to re-apply for membership. What you were saying, is allmost like calling
me a liar!  I'm NOT!
BILL.

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2010, 08:33:32 AM »
If the weights are limited by the wheels physical dimensions to elevate and descent there will never be possible to make this work. Gravity works vertically, and ofcourse there is no change in potential energy in the left or right of the wheel that will force it to work. Regarding username on a forum, the explanation smells a bit fishy:)

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2010, 08:44:36 AM »
Low-Q,
        Obviously, you don't understand!  Sorry!
I AM telling the truth about my registration ----- why don't you look at my profile?
It quite clearly states that my email address is, in fact, that of my wife!  Sorry!
BILL.

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2010, 03:41:13 PM »
Ok. Let us forget about this now. I replied in your duplicate post also. Sorry for any misunderstandings I have brought up recently.
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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2010, 03:52:07 AM »
if the forces equal each other then it should be balanced and not moving

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2010, 07:09:28 AM »
mr_Bojangles,
                  Two identical forces, at different distances from their hub, do NOT balance -----
sorry pal!
BILL.

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2010, 02:32:47 AM »
I feel I have no choice but to try and build this device! The replies I've been recieving, lead me to
believe that I HAVE to build it -------------- just to prove my theory!
Please bear with me, as I have various dissabilities that prevent me from going fast!
It will take quite a while ------------- but not too long, I hope, to put this device together.
BILL.

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2010, 10:58:16 PM »
Greetings Bill

 I haven't forgot about you. I have been busy and also suffered what is called a micro stroke. I am allot better now. I have 2 1/2 weeks of armor left and then I get to do wheel without having to build armor. ;D

To all

 Don't take Bill's design lightly for there may be more to it than meets the eye. Only test will show. ;)

Alan

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2010, 12:44:31 AM »
Hi Allan,
         Nice to hear from you again ----- I DID think it was funny my having
notheard from you for so long!  I'd appreciate any help I CAN get ---------
especialy from the likes of you ----- as you seem to be well connected!

I too, have had MANY mini-strokes ----- about 8/9.  T.I.A's, I think the're
called?  I've also had two 'normal' strokes  (if you can call them that!  In
my case, they left me allmost blind, and with loss of balance. I also had a brain-bleed, but thankfully, my brain still works!
Keep your chin up pal!
Hope to hear from you in the not too distant future.
GOOD LUCK.
BILL.

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2010, 01:53:27 AM »
mr_Bojangles,
                  Two identical forces, at different distances from their hub, do NOT balance -----
sorry pal!
BILL.

that might be true, but you have this twice so each side has a corresponding counterweight

the wheels are balanced, and because of this there would be no torque on either axle,

unless you spun it initially, in which case the center of gravity of each wheel is never displaced at all, and no shifting of mass means no movement, especially if it is balanced

and if you have to initially start it, that would imply it is not gravity but a gearing mechanism that appears to increase rotational inertia, which as well implies that it would work with a fixed axle parallel to the event horizon (or on its side negating gravitational pull due to the balanced weights of the wheels)

balanced wheels will only move if a force is applied, and i do not see where this would come from

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Re: A Totaly Different Type Of Overbalancing Machine
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2010, 03:35:08 AM »
MR - bojangles,
                    I'm glad to see you taking an interest in my design, however, I have to disagree with you.
There are only TWO forces involved here, and they are 'delivered' to the top-wheel by the two chains.
It does NOT need a 'push' to get it going -------------- it is self-rotating!
BILL.