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Author Topic: aluminum can and copper wire batterys  (Read 56176 times)

Offline old man

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aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« on: June 24, 2010, 10:33:10 PM »
i am looking for some one to help with this the more the minds the better lol got this what i have in mine aluminun cans we all can get them and copper wire water and salt and them and the make a 12 volit batt that you can have all the time and all you have to do is and water and salt  so i started with to cans 5 day andgot 1.5 v now i and going to see how many cans to get 3 leds to light and the i going for 12 i no this is crazy be lets thing for a min if you have 12 v you can run an 250 w inverter all the time for a week  anthing you can come up with  thang out side the box here it can be 05 and up  just and more can or thake away come on in and lets find out i just need some pelope as crazy as me to help i thank we can all laren on the way

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2010, 01:11:22 AM »
ok sorry for not tell how the test is and sorry for the spelling  i am old  lol
 stared test today with six cans and in each one the is one table spoon of  salt  there is 12in all

1 six are with out load they are at 3.5 v

2 six have a led 2.5 v on it and its at 1.5 v

i need to find out how toget more amps out off it anyone no how without killing me doing it lol  wood  bleach work or vinegar i need something togo with the salt any help wood be appreciated thanks

old man

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2010, 01:19:56 AM »
i am looking for some one to help with this the more the minds the better lol got this what i have in mine aluminun cans we all can get them and copper wire water and salt and them and the make a 12 volit batt
As an alternative (easy to do), is start with copper wire, paper-sanded aluminum can  side metal (for conductivity) and salt water in a 16-oz to 2-liter plastic bottle.  White vinegar might also work? (it's an acid, though)

Experimentation for greatest efficiency is the key, but the component materials are widely available and inexpensive as well.

--Lee

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2010, 01:33:46 AM »
old man said:
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ok sorry for not tell how the test is and sorry for the spelling  i am old  lol
 stared test today with six cans and in each one the is one table spoon of  salt  there is 12in all
1 six are with out load they are at 3.5 v
2 six have a led 2.5 v on it and its at 1.5 v
i need to find out how toget more amps out off it ...
Wiring the battery cells in series will give you more voltage.  Several strings of these in parallel will give you more current and voltage at the same time.
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... anyone no how without killing me doing it lol ...
If you're just lighting LED's, the current and voltage won't kill you, unless you have a string of 10,000 LED's; maybe.
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... wood  bleach work or vinegar i need something togo with the salt any help wood be appreciated thanks
Bleach and ammonia should not be mixed.  That would generate poisonous gases and might kill you.  Vinegar might work; try it and see?

--Lee

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2010, 02:01:04 AM »


i need to find out how toget more amps out off it anyone no how without killing me doing it lol  wood  bleach work or vinegar i need something togo with the salt any help wood be appreciated thanks

old man
I think you could use some washing soda. This is Sodium Carbonate and really works well with Al and Carbon, so it will probably work well with Al and copper.

I do not know where you live, but if you are in the states, Arm & Hammer makes it and it is called washing soda. 
There is a way to make it from baking soda, but I forget.
It works well.
Stephan suggested Al foil and Carbon a few years ago and I put 2 in series and lit a yellow LED for several days. I remember I used this washing soda for electrolyte.

jeanna

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2010, 02:01:04 AM »
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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2010, 02:52:25 AM »
jeanna
thanks  i will do that thanks


the_big_m_in_ok

 i  have them in a series  and for the  Bleach and ammonia i no what that does been there done that when i was about 15 NEVER WILL i do that agin lol and what i am trying to do is power a Bedini all the time who nows what i will do i got all kind of thing i wont to do i could light my house with them lol you never no all i need is about 10.000 cans and a lot of copper there so muck you could do lol  i just looking for power lol for my shed for now then ill go from the  and this way i can us what i got to do it why buy it when you can find it

thanks for the help

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 ...i  have them in a series  and for the  Bleach and ammonia i no what that does been there done that when i was about 15 NEVER WILL i do that agin lol ...
Good.  Your neighbors might object and become upset if you were to do that!   :o    ::)   :-X
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... and what i am trying to do is power a Bedini all the time who nows ...
Well, you will still need quite a few of these batteries, to put it very gently.  Thousands of units in series and parallel, probably.
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... what i will do i got all kind of thing i wont to do i could light my house with them lol you never no all i need is about 10.000 cans and a lot of copper there so muck you could do lol ...
Why use cans?  See below for my informal test results---a  first! for my research contribution here at OU.  ;D 
You might need more than 10,000 batteries, but if you use recyclable parts to build them, it shouldn't be terribly expensive.  However, you'll need enough room to store all this stuff.
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... i just looking for power lol for my shed for now ...
Good, start small and work up from there.  It could take, say, 10-15,000 watts for enough power to run power tools and the lights.  Heat in the winter, for example.  Make plans for possible expansion.
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... then ill go from the  and this way i can us what i got to do it why buy it when you can find it
thanks for the help
tom ( old man )
Now that you said it, I have test results on this thread to report:

Taking empty plastic soda or water bottles (trash on the streets---everywhere!) I built 3 water batteries using tap water only.

Starting with 2 solid strands of 24 ga. copper wire twisted together and a piece of magnetic (not stainless, non-magnetic) wire about 12 ga. I had on a small roll---and finally---a piece of heavy aluminum wire about 8-10 ga. I bought from dollar store.

I filled three bottles with city tap water and put 2 ea. "electrodes" in different combinations in each; then measured the resulting voltage across each with my DMM.
RESULTS:

POS       VDC       NEG

Cu          .34        Fe
Cu          .78        Al
Fe          .14        Al
NOTE:
These are average readings because the figures fluctuated about .02-.2 volts either way randomly.  But, you get the idea?  The electrodes didn't touch each other in the bottle.  All bottles were about as full as you would see with soda or water on a store shelf.  Room temperature.  Bottles were rinsed out first, but that's all.  (Tap water is notoriously highly electrically conductive.)

Next I might build 3 more with salt water.  I'll also check the voltage in a few days and see if they fell any in voltage during the time period.

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2010, 06:56:57 AM »
Hello,

Last night I attempted to make a Water Capacitor similar to the tube design of Stan Meyer.

A 2 inch long Copper tube inside 2 1/2 inch long Steel Pipe separated by rubber bands.

I threw the thing in a pill jar with some good old City Tap and it is giving off .700 volts !   

Hmm... I could make 10 per night.... in a month I'd have a nice 200 V supply... or in parallel to charge a 12 Volt Battery that runs the lights with a JT Setup..

The Observer

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the_big_m_in_ok said:

Fresh water (tap)
POS       VDC       NEG

Cu          .34        Fe
Cu          .78        Al
Fe          .14        Al



Salt water
Cu          .34        Fe
Cu          .72        Al
NOTE:
This was done in the mid-evening.





At 7 A.M. the next morning:
Fresh water
Cu          .53      Fe
Cu          .52      Al
Fe          .4        Al



Salt water
Cu         .38       Fe
Cu         .55       Al

The trends are obvious:
A) Salt water doesn't add significant voltage to any cell and costs money, anyway
B) Iron(steel) and copper can "age"? overnight and increase voltage 50% or more, except for:
c) Aluminum-containing cells degrade performance over several hour's time and aluminum wire, especially, isn't widely available
Qualifications:
Long term effects like electrolytic effects on electrodes and degradation of what passes for electrolyte hasn't been considered yet

Other electrolytes like washing soda or something corrosive like dissolved Drano or white vinegar haven't been considered due to cost and potential safety issues

Mixing different types of electrolytes might be especially risky, depending what they are

These are unknown factors to my experience, so the reader is warned

--Lee


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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2010, 04:20:17 PM »
all

 well led out so now i will go for 2 can test
2 with white vinegar and two with bleach water and two with lemon A later on today let you all no

with one tea spoon in each


tom


lee
thank you  for your in put and yout test


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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2010, 05:27:14 PM »
all

started new test with two cans 

 white vinegar and water

vdc       ma
 .635      .269


bleach water

1.027      .273


 lemon juice water

1.116    .141


The Observer

could you let use no what your getting with your setup if you could ples thank you

tom

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2010, 06:54:07 PM »
Old Man,

So far I've deduced that a Steel-Aluminum set up in Tap water Produces .700 to .800 Volts.
(about the same with Steel-Copper  .6 V - .7V)

I came up with the idea last night of using Soup Cans (FE) and Aluminum Cans (AL) for making water batteries for cheap/ free.
Line up 150 of these.. and you would have over 100 Volts...
1500, and you would have over 1000 V.

I would spend a week making these things if it meant I could tell the Electric Company to go take a hike !

The Observer

P.S. Could make 14 V packs that hook up in parallel with a Car Batteries.
        The Car Battery would store excess energy and be available for times of Peak Usage.

« Last Edit: June 26, 2010, 07:20:37 PM by The Observer »

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2010, 07:17:23 PM »
I would spend a week making these things if it meant I could tell the A to go take a hike !

now that wood be nice   me all i wont to do is get my bill down so i am starting small if i can find a way off getting these to work and give me 12 v all the time for 5 or 6 moths i can work with that and then i can add to it like moter or run a wind mill to in to a batt bbank  and use things we have at home like me in my test iam useing old house copper wire  that was given to me i can get tvs @vcrs@all kinds of things to use  and i like you idea of useing Soup Cans  and Aluminum Cans  and lee useing empty plastic soda or water bottles idea i thank i can come up with something there  ??? and if you no anybody one here the more heads there is the better ;D and thank you for your help on this

tom

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2010, 08:11:25 PM »
Something like this for my Free Materials Setup of the Water Battery. ;o)

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2010, 08:37:37 PM »
hey that just mite work i found out what a aluminum cans are made of this will help to no

 beverage cans consists mostly of aluminum, but it contains small amounts of other metals as well. These are typically 1% magnesium, 1% manganese, 0.4% iron, 0.2% silicon, and 0.15% copper.

i like youe setup

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