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Offline Mk1

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2010, 12:22:46 PM »
@all

I have uploaded a study made on aluminum battery simple construction and clear detail .

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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=396

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2010, 05:29:57 PM »
mk1


i will read it and thank for the info


lee

I wonder if galvanic action between the electrolyte and electrode(s) is something to be concerned about?
 that why i download a 2009  chemistry book and if anyone needs a copy i can sent it to them  just let me no


i sould have named this subject any batterys that you can make form stuff from around the house lol ;D instead of  aluminum can and copper wire batterys lol  ;D



tom




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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2010, 07:38:40 PM »
Greetings,

I like the Batteries from stuff around the House Idea... ;o)

Anyways,

I'm on about the 6th day of my Joule Thief running off the Pill Jar Batteries... things look pretty good.
I put a 200uf capacitor across the Pill Jars as I saw someone mention that was a good idea... it did make the Led Brighter, so I left it..
Also, it seems as if current production has increased over the days !!!

     I really don't think the Water is going to eat away the Pennies or Bolt quickly.
     But only time will tell and I don't claim to know all the Chemistry behind it.
     I believe that Water takes electrons from the metals revealing an Electric Potential Difference.

I am thinking if this thing goes for a few months with no real degradation... I have found Free Power.
Free Enough anyways... if a Penny/Water/Bolt setup is going to last for years.

The Oxford Bell has been ringing for 170 years off of a couple Piles !
                   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Electric_Bell
Although it may cheat the energy system through creating motion by means of a static Electric Field. (something to be contemplated)

The next project is the Penny Power Cube.
     - 4 Nantucket Nectar Bottle Penny/Bolt/Water Batteries (1 should equal about 4 Pill Jars)
     - inside 2 bottoms of 1/2 cut Milk Gallons to create a stack-able Cube.
     - One Cell is .6 Volts... So the Cube (of 4 Bottles) can be wired to give off   .6 V  or   1.2 V    or     2.4 V.

The idea is that 11 or 12 of the 1.2 Volt Model would Charge a 12 Volt Array ... 24hours/7days a week.
This array then would power the house (like solar) with the Array able deliver appreciable amps when there is demand.

Regards,
                The Observer

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2010, 08:08:31 PM »
Lee:
"I wonder if galvanic action between the electrolyte and electrode(s) is something to be concerned about?"

lee
... that why i download a 2009  chemistry book and if anyone needs a copy i can sent it to them  just let me no ...
@Tom
That sounds pretty good.  How big is this book?  Does it come in .PDF?  I have a 1GB SanDisk to download it to.
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... i sould have named this subject any batterys that you can make form stuff from around the house lol ;D instead of  aluminum can and copper wire batterys lol  ;D ...
I get paid tomorrow (Fri), so I'm going to get some parts.  One of these is a different kind of relay.  The Radio Shack relay I bought had a good coil (160 ohms) when I started, but after I soldered wires to the coil terminal pins, it was open!  0 ohms.

I'll get a larger 12 VDC automobile relay from an auto parts store and do away with soldering---just use jumper wires w/alligator clips. 

--Lee


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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2010, 10:42:58 PM »
Observer


i love what your are doing keep up the good work :o


lee


yes the book is pdf and the size is 135 mb if your wont it just let me no


tom

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2010, 01:07:24 AM »
old man said:
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Observer
i love what your are doing keep up the good work :o
@The Observer
You have a good idea with your proposed, approximate "UPS" system.  Good work, as Old Man said.
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lee
yes the book is pdf and the size is 135 mb if your wont it just let me no
Sure, I'd like to see it.  I can go to more than one borrowed computer and try to load and run the file.  These computers have professional-quality .PDF compilers on them, so the only thing stopping it would be individual system constraints.

Just PM me with the attached file.  Or send it to my e-mail address as an attachment.  Either way should work.  Whichever is easiest for you.  Thanks.

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2010, 01:25:07 AM »
...I put a 200uf capacitor across the Pill Jars as I saw someone mention that was a good idea... it did make the Led Brighter, so I left it..
Also, it seems as if current production has increased over the days !!! ...
I hadn't thought of that, but it sounds good to me.  I can get several sizes of electrolytic capacitors when I get paid.  Good idea.
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... I really don't think the Water is going to eat away the Pennies or Bolt quickly.
     But only time will tell and I don't claim to know all the Chemistry behind it.
     I believe that Water takes electrons from the metals revealing an Electric Potential Difference.
@The Observer
I didn't know myself, so I went looking on GOOGLE:

http://courses.washington.edu/bhrchem/c456/ch11.pdf

You may be onto something, here.  But you're correct, a redox chemical reaction is involved.
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I am thinking if this thing goes for a few months with no real degradation... I have found Free Power.
Free Enough anyways... if a Penny/Water/Bolt setup is going to last for years.

The Oxford Bell has been ringing for 170 years off of a couple Piles !
                   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Electric_Bell
Although it may cheat the energy system through creating motion by means of a static Electric Field. (something to be contemplated)
I read somewhere awhile ago that when Edison's wet cell batteries wet dry while being used in a telegraph office, they continued to work just as before!  Really!!  That was the story.  I was so surprised, I never forgot the subject of the article; it was years ago, though.  He knew how to design batteries!

--Lee

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2010, 07:23:27 PM »
all


i found this on info i thank it will help


http://www.chem1.com/acad/webtext/elchem/ec6.html


Observer

did you use penny after 1983 or before  or any pennys  why i am asking is the one after 1982 are 95% zink and the ones before are copper

heres a chart

1793–1857 100% copper
1857–1864 88% copper, 12% nickel (also known as NS-12)
1864–1942 bronze (95% copper, 5% tin and zinc)
1943 zinc-coated steel (also known as steel penny)
1944–1946 brass (95% copper, 5% zinc)
1946–1962 bronze (95% copper, 5% tin and zinc)
1974 Experimental aluminum variety
1962–1982 brass (95% copper, 5% zinc)
1982–Present* 97.5% zinc core, 2.5% copper plating


lee

pm me where i can send that book

thank you all keep up the good work

tom

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2010, 01:01:10 AM »
Big M,

            Yep, the cap must take energy from the battery on the down time when the JT isn't using it... then adds to the next pulse when needed.

             I'm sure someone will tell ya that the metals have to degrade so no Conservation Laws are Broken. 
                   Might be true if an acid is used, but water?... isn't there metal found on ShipWrecks 100's of years old?
                   This is one of those things I am going to  find out for myself.
                   If it does run for a long time... I'm sure the propaganda says it doesn't.

                   Interesting... the Edison batteries.
                    I'm sure he knew how to make them as that was about the only source of Electric Power at that point in time.

Old Man,

       I wasn't very aware of the difference in pennies when I first made the Pill Jar.
       What I did was pick out the shiniest looking pennies... those are the new ones with Zinc apparently.

       Unfortunately, I noticed at the Hardware Store.. that the Bolt is Zinc/Steel/Something
                                That means I'm matching Zinc to Zinc... theoretically not the best match up.
                                 I may have to construct a Pill Jar with just the Copper Pennies and see if there is a difference.

       I did make a Nantucket Bottle Cell last night (see above diagram)... with a larger Bolt and about 500 ($5) Pennies.
       It does work.. puts out same voltage ~ .6 V     and more current than Pill Jar.. but not as much as I expected or hoped for.

Best Regards,
                      The Observer

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2010, 02:06:35 AM »
 The Observer

hay you mite be on to something there are your frist one still going i tested sink on sink i go a little nothing like you got and copper on coper and nothing good so it mite sink and copper and steel or something elase i am going to teast every setup there is and see whats happen your doing good it wont take much there something we are missing we just need to find it because i dont see why it wont work your setup is good the way you have it it shoud have 12 dcv and  if all elas fell start over  ;D



ok i have tryed it all and have no idia what is happening but my are getting the same as yours no matter what combo i do so we no it no just the penney or just the bolt we have to have both or it wont work  i hope this helped  :) oh will just as long as it works thats all that matters  ;D

lee
 ill send that to you no sat cent i know how todo it  :D

keep you the good work everyone and thank you all

tom


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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2010, 06:09:20 PM »
Greetings,

Update on the Pill Jars.

I experimented a bit with my NaNtucket Cell Last night.
I guess I am doing Copper from the outside of the pennies to Zinc on the Outside of the Bolt.
Anyways, I discovered that it ran at higher Volts and Amps with No Water... Just the Damp Paper Towel in Between.

So I changed the Pill Jars Running the JT to a tiny bit of water at the bottom to soak up into the paper towel.
It's running brighter and a bit more stable too ( I had to jostle the Jars from time to time before to keep em going)

The Observer

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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2010, 12:03:11 AM »
Big M,
            Yep, the cap must take energy from the battery on the down time when the JT isn't using it... then adds to the next pulse when needed.
I imagine so, too.  Would that be why the toroids work to well?
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             Might be true if an acid is used, but water?... isn't there metal found on ShipWrecks 100's of years old?
Please keep in mind there are no acids in sea water, either.  In tap water, there are actually things like phosphates, sulfates, chlorides, nitrates, etc., in trace amounts.  Enough to cause chemical changes in refined, smelted and forged metals, though.
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              Interesting... the Edison batteries.
              I'm sure he knew how to make them as that was about the only source of Electric Power at that point in time.
I remember later:  Edison built or improved on the work of earlier electrical engineers like Marconi or Stubblefield and others, if he knew of them.  Some of his batteries were also earth batteries, and good ones, too.  That's why they could sometimes last decades.  I imagine his application determined what he did with his batteries.  The invention cited by old man was a evidently free-standing one.

--Lee
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Re: aluminum can and copper wire batterys
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2010, 12:53:38 AM »
all

here one of Edison batterys patten that i found looks easy to do

tom

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« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2010, 06:44:26 AM »
Working on my 4th of July Project today...

More to come soon...

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