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Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2  (Read 224105 times)

Offline madmaxx

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2006, 02:56:09 AM »
Thank you so much for the suggestions. I agree that the stator needs to move out to reduce the interaction. Also the rotor needs to increase in size to meet the stator much closer. It's just a mock up made of a CDROM spindle and PVC pipe. If we can get one working with this junk then all would benifit.
I need to earn a living now. So when I get time to make the revisions I'll repost a photo. Perhaps my failures will help others.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2006, 02:56:09 AM »

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2006, 03:09:02 AM »
madmaxx,

 But problem is to put down the flying magnet, becouse 3 forces repulse it - one from rotor, two from nearby stator magnet. It seem that sum of these 3 forces are same which rotate rotor to gap. I'm afraid that metal arm above rollers in torbay's  demonstration model can't overcome these repulse forces.

Here's a mockup. But there's not enough torque to lift anything. It will turn if you lift ach stator arm.

Sugestions? I know it doesn't have rollers, but even if it did there's not enough torque.

Exactly! Putting down the the stator is problem. If you were to add force to push it down then it would require more force to lift. The sheilding was to reduce interaction of the stator. Didn't seem to help at all. By moving out this reduces the interaction but makes a larger machine.




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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2006, 11:08:28 AM »
Hello all
Yesterday I read the script of the patent from Torbay.
Did you ever read a translation of it? Well - I will try to translate you some important thing that might be useful for you.

Page No. 1    Description of the invention
...movimiento continuo   ...    aprovechando la propiedad de rechazo de polos iguales y la desviacion de lineas de fuerza magnetica mediante cortes en los imanes.

...continuely movement  ...  by using the repulsion of equal poles AND by deflection of magnetic field lines. The deflection is created by the cutoffs of the magnets.


Page No. 5
Forma the llevarlo a cabo ----- How to realize or how to setup

.... Los angulos de cortes (alfa) en los imanes de los modulos elevantes podran ser variados segun convenga para controlar aceleracion fricction magnetica y velocidad. A saber que a medida que aumentamos (alfa) la friccion magnetica sera mayor la acelaracion inicial sera mayor y la velocidad constante sera menor, mientras que si alfa disminuye la aceleracion inicial sera menor y la velocidad constante sera mayor.
Los angulos de corte (beta) y ubicacion de estos en los imanes del brazo rotor permitira controlar sentido de giro. ....


...The angles (alpha) of the cutoffs of the magnets in the stator modules can be setup for your application, controlling acelaration, magnetic friction and speed.
By increasing (alpha) the magnetic friction and the aceleration will increase and the final speed will decrease. On the other side if we decrease (alpha), the aceleration and the final speed will increase.
( And now a very important part!!!)
The angles (beta) of the cutoffs and the position of them in the rotormagnet will allow you to change the turn direccion.   ...

What I read of this, is that the angle (alpha) of the cutoffs of the statormagnets is essetial for this kind of motor. But the angle (beta) makes no sense for me as long as they where equal on both sides.

My englisch is not very well and it takes one and a half hour to translate this, so its very difficult for me.
If you want me to translate more of the patent it would be easier for me to translate it to german and send it to Stefan hoping that he can translate it to english, perhaps compressing the sense oft it.

By the way:  The piece that appears in the cut-away drawing called "sist. de descenso controlado"  means "system for controlled pushdown"

I hope this are usefull informations for U.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2006, 10:43:04 PM »
I'm excited about this thread. I was wondering if you have seen the Hummingbird motor and the Sundance generator?  Here's the link:

http://www.befreetech.com/techpage.htm

Tell me what you think.
slucas


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2006, 10:49:36 PM »
@2Tiger,
if you would post it in German,
when I get some free time I will make a good english translation.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2006, 10:49:36 PM »
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Offline mark australia

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2006, 02:02:19 AM »
dear slucas,
I think the hummingbird and sundance is a huge crock of rubbish. Have a good read...full of conspiracy theroy.
I was wondering how all the Torbay prototype builders were going....seems to have gone quiet...has anyone heard from anyone in Argentina recently???
Kind regards Mark

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2006, 02:58:10 AM »
I think the hummingbird and sundance is a huge crock of rubbish. Have a good read...full of conspiracy theroy.
Video is childish, but perfectly ok. Same ideas like with all of us here in the forum. Regardless of conspiracy theories.
http://www.befreetech.com/media/case.ram

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2006, 02:58:10 AM »
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2006, 11:44:32 AM »
After some tests in the first (rough) prototype I guest there are two ways to start a cycle: lifting a stator or pushing down a stator (although both actions will be done, only one is the main drive in a initial status and its synchronism will determine all future actions, I guest. Consider the initial action as the initial change from a stable status that causes a cycle that doesn?t stop). The first (lifting a stator) is very well shown in Nastrand2000 video and it looks like the method of original Torbay patent. I found some difficulties to implement it (cover tap mechanic fine adjustment and small friction mechanism for instance) and the initial torque is small (and it needs a small force to create it because both variables are linked). The second one generates a large torque and it does not require a special mechanic care but requires a large and synchronized force for pushing down (Nastrand, try to hold the rotor just a little bit after the last lifted stator and push down it and then release the rotor. You will see a strong torque that ?passes? the next expected start point cycle, probably doing a completed turn. This energy excess to complete the cycle could be adjusted to force the next cycle).
In other words, there could be two models: a ?permanent? (or near to DC) torque status (I don?t think so but any experiment or simulations are welcome) or cycles of torque that have parameters fixed by the initial status and the first imbalance.
Then, my second prototype will be oriented to measure both status without some elements (cover tap for instance) using other controlled methods for pushing and lifting. I expect some results in a week.
Regards

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2006, 05:15:19 AM »
Hi All,
here are 2 new pictures I received from someone I know, who knows
Torbay.
Here you can see the underside of the rotor and the second pic shows
the total view of his first prototype with the big plexiglas gear wheel and
the small generator at the backside with a small gear wheel, so
the rotor only rotates at 60 to 100 rpm I was told and this is
upconverted to faster speed at the generator.

More news to come soon....

Regards, Stefan.

Offline Liberty

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2006, 07:07:53 PM »
Nice pictures.  Looks pretty basic.  With 60 RPM, how much torque would it need to turn a 1930 watt alternator load?  Quite a bit I would think...

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2006, 07:07:53 PM »
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2006, 07:50:41 PM »
If this prototype puts out 10 Watts you can be lucky !
Look at the small DC motor probably working as a generator at the right side
in the back !
This is probably the first small prototype.
The claimed about 2000 Watts would need a much bigger unit !

From the rotor underside you can see, how it works.
The stators are almost 300 degrees pressed down and then
there is a cut into the underside, so the stator at this position can jump up and
then a triangular slope, where the stators are pressed down again !

So it is really what we already have simulated over here.
Also you can see quite clearly the rotor magnet that it is
just "C" shaped one as was indicated inside the patent.

Now the question is, if the ends of the "c" shape plays really such an important role
where the angle is filed off...
I guess we have to run a fewmore simulations to see, what is going on,
when we put different angles at the end of the "C" shape rotor magnets...

Regards, Stefan.
P.S:  Typos in this posting now removed...
« Last Edit: April 24, 2006, 03:01:22 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2006, 03:52:11 PM »
The first picture looks like it was taken from a video since it shows motion signs in torbays hands... I wonder if we can get the video somewhere....


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2006, 06:17:47 PM »
Not yet, I was told, that we have to wait for the video some more time and Torbay
did not know, that his AVI clips were removed from the WEB and wants to reinstall
them soon.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #73 on: April 24, 2006, 09:35:28 PM »
did you find torbay, finally? ??? did you talk to him???


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2006, 03:17:32 AM »
Not me, a friend.
Next week will probably bring much more infos.
Stay tuned.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2006, 08:53:48 PM by hartiberlin »

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