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Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2  (Read 228172 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« on: April 13, 2006, 04:41:37 AM »
Hi All,
I had a few problems with my forum and the long first thread
about the Argentina magnet motor.
Now I have splitted the topic, so we can continue over here
in part2 and I also have updated the forum software to the
latest stable version.

I hope I can now post my new simulation pictures...

Regards, Stefan. (moderator)

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2006, 04:46:22 AM »
Here is the next simulation picture.
I am using now for the easiest setup all
equal square Neodym magnets also inside
the rotor 2 pieces !

With 3 lifted stator magnets at the same
time I am getting 6.6 Newtonmeters of torque !
That is quite amazing.
I am trying now to simulate the forces to change the stators
again back to the new gap configuration...
Stay tuned...
« Last Edit: April 13, 2006, 05:09:22 AM by hartiberlin »


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2006, 05:11:18 AM »
Okay, now the attachments are also working again and also this forum should now
also work again with the FireFox browser... hope this helps....

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2006, 05:32:12 AM »
Hi Everyone,

Thanks to the patent information, I was able to create a precise 3D model of the Torbay motor! I also now know the basic dimensions for the rotor and stator magnets as well so now we can do simulations with the right size/shaped magnets. It looks like the only guesswork we may possibly have is working out the proper cut angles for the magnets. I will upload some screenshots of the 3D model I made in just a bit, I'm still putting together the assembly drawing.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2006, 06:41:53 AM »
With 3 lifted stator magnets at the same
time I am getting 6.6 Newtonmeters of torque !
That is quite amazing.

I've posted a setup like that already somewhere last week. If you take one more stator magnet away the torque gets even more!
Try it! Please post it here if it worth it....

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2006, 06:41:53 AM »
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2006, 07:49:41 AM »
Hi Everyone,

Here are some of the screenshots of my 3D model. It's not finished yet but I'm done for now so here they are. I definitely learned a lot about this motor now from drawing this up and I now have a pretty good idea of how the mechanics work. I used a combination of the Patent drawings and the image of the sliced motor to see where everything goes. It is now obvious that he is using the rollers to lift the stator magnets and a metal flap on the top of the rotor disk to push them back down. I think he is using springs too although I'm not sure how exactly and I haven't drawn them up in the model yet. One thing to watch for, there are a few minor errors in some of the dimensions from the patent drawings but nothing critical to the functioning of the motor though.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2006, 07:53:01 AM »
Oh one more thing,

I didn't include the top metal piece that goes on the rotor to push the stator magnets back down. This piece appears in the cut-away drawing

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=866.0;attach=981;image)

but not as a part in the patent. I wonder if the use of springs could eliminate the need for this part?

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2006, 08:17:24 AM »
Great pics Jason,
here is another forces versus torque simulation.
Sorry, the numbers are a bit hard to see, cause I
compressed the JPEG too strong and don?t have
the original anymore, but the very left X force is a
minus 31.xxxx value.

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Problem
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2006, 09:48:52 AM »
There is a problem with this construction. The torque decrease it's value with turning of the rotor, and change it,s direction after 90 degrees.


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Re: Problem
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2006, 11:05:07 AM »
There is a problem with this construction. The torque decrease it's value with turning of the rotor, and change it,s direction after 90 degrees.

Only one thing...Do you have any clue how this motor works????

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2006, 03:18:48 PM »
Hi Jason and Tao,
what do you think what the rotor magnet is made of ?
Did Torbay just use a standard magnet for the rotor and did
file away the edges at both ends ?
Has anybody located such a rotor magnet already on the web ?

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2006, 03:32:09 PM »
@DarkLight
you have the magnets wrong polarized in your simulation !
The stator magnet at 11o?clock must be attractive not repelling !
All stator magnets must point with their northpole into the center axis.

Also the rotor magnet must be SN-SN, so be itsself in attraction.
Also at this postition the magnet at 5 o ?clock has moved back in line and
the one at 9 o?clock is already away....


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2006, 04:48:07 PM »
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Hi Jason and Tao,
what do you think what the rotor magnet is made of ?
Did Torbay just use a standard magnet for the rotor and did
file away the edges at both ends ?
Has anybody located such a rotor magnet already on the web ?

Hi Stefan,

Torbay used ceramic magnets in his early prototypes and Neodymium in his later ones (more power). About the cuts in the magnets, In Torbays patent (English translation here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=928.0;attach=1197) that the cuts in the magnets determine the speed/direction of the motor. Also, he shows the exact dimensions of the magnets in his patent so to determine the optimum angle, we should focus on simulating the magnets as he has them so we can determine the best angle cuts in the magnets for the motor. I posted copies of the diagrams with the magnet dimensions from the patent below.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2006, 08:14:23 PM »
@DarkLight
here you can see, that you had the wrong magnet setup.
Here are the correct simulations for this case which still shows
still good negative torque values.

But anyway, this way the gap is not setup, so
there is always around 6.6 Newtonmeter torque,
when the gap always remains at 90 degrees to the rotor.


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2006, 08:36:52 PM »
Okay, here is a simulation without any rotor
at all.You can see, that it has almost a magnet field like
a bar magnet.
The rotor magnet then wants to align to this stator field,
but is not allowed, because always the gap is also moved,
so that the gap is always at 90 degrees to the rotor magnet,
where it has the most torque.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
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