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Cherryman

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Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« on: April 02, 2010, 02:01:00 PM »
Hi All,

As pendulum/weight clocks uses the energy stored in the lifted weight. 

I was thinking if it is easy to scale it up.  It could make a easy emergency power supply.

Lets say you lift 10 tons of weight (10.000 kilo)  How many, and for what time, could you extract useful energy from its descending?   

Why bother would some say?  The energy needed for lifting is at least equal.. so why?

I think the time is the advantage here. You store "energy" and the repeatability. 

Those of you working with or around trucks will know that a truck car jack can easily lift 15000 kilo.  Those small hydraulic pots will allow a single human to easily lift 10.000 kilo (or more)  a few centimeters in a short time.

Based on that principle i think its far to say that a minimal human effort in short time can raise a 10.000  kilo weight.

Now work with all of it:

Lets say we raise that object a meter.  With a conventional hydraulic hand pump i say it would take max 10 minutes to do. 

Could that 10 minutes work be a useful energy source?  Think of the clock, the right gearing could create a huge flywheel, while descanting very slowly...   

How about that a one hour workout on your fitness gear will result in a full evening of power for your house?   ;D








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Re: Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 09:32:37 PM »
Hi All,

As pendulum/weight clocks uses the energy stored in the lifted weight. 

I was thinking if it is easy to scale it up.  It could make a easy emergency power supply.

Lets say you lift 10 tons of weight (10.000 kilo)  How many, and for what time, could you extract useful energy from its descending?   

Why bother would some say?  The energy needed for lifting is at least equal.. so why?

I think the time is the advantage here. You store "energy" and the repeatability. 

Those of you working with or around trucks will know that a truck car jack can easily lift 15000 kilo.  Those small hydraulic pots will allow a single human to easily lift 10.000 kilo (or more)  a few centimeters in a short time.

Based on that principle i think its far to say that a minimal human effort in short time can raise a 10.000  kilo weight.

Now work with all of it:

Lets say we raise that object a meter.  With a conventional hydraulic hand pump i say it would take max 10 minutes to do. 

Could that 10 minutes work be a useful energy source?  Think of the clock, the right gearing could create a huge flywheel, while descanting very slowly...   

How about that a one hour workout on your fitness gear will result in a full evening of power for your house?   ;D

Too much trouble IMHO . You will need in ideal condition the same ammount of power to lift your 10 Tons weight as the energy that will be released so in the end so that equals 0 power. What you say is EXACTLY as if you charge with the grid a battery bank and use that bank when you are out of electricity lol, dont you think that one will be ALOT easier ???.

why not just put some solar panel and a battery bank ??? 1 time setup

Cherryman

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Re: Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 01:05:01 AM »
With a solar panel you need sun, with a weight bank you need 10 minutes of muscle power....

A solar panel is exposed, a weight can be in the cellar...

Anyway..just thinking out loud.

Cloxxki

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Re: Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2010, 01:40:11 AM »
If it's easy to store energy with a jack, it's not worth it.
If you're in need of energy, better have an indoor bike trainer redily hooked up to your house's circuits. With 20 cyclists pedaling all day long for you, you're on your way to energy independancy.

Cherryman

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Re: Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 01:42:53 AM »
[ author=Cloxxki link=topic=8994.msg236001#msg236001 date=1270251611]
If it's easy to store  with a jack, it's not worth it.
If you're in need of energy, better have an indoor  trainer redily hooked up to your 's circuits. With 20 cyclists pedaling all day long for you, you're on your way to energy independancy.
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Read the last sentence again from the opening post  ;)

IceStorm

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Re: Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2010, 02:37:57 AM »
With a solar panel you need sun, with a weight bank you need 10 minutes of muscle power....

A solar panel is exposed, a weight can be in the cellar...

Anyway..just thinking out loud.

Sun or muscle, you will not get up at 3AM because your out of power. If you really want to use your muscle, than Cloxxki's idea is the way to go, buy the best generator money can buy and go pedaling all day long, the time you will spend will cost ALOT more than what you save on your electric bill and don't forget the loss because you cant work at the same time. 1KW/h equal 1 KW CONSTANT for 1 hour. Alot of pedaling lol and 1KW is not the average of what a house use :) better to work and pay your bill.

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Re: Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 03:05:50 AM »
I guess I should read more before posting.... just posted a very similar idea (will see if I can delete).  I actually believe this idea is great for current solar and wind power energy storage...  One of the biggest drawbacks of solar and wind power is its inability/unavailability of "green" power storage the other is how to store any access energy developed?  The amout of money you can get from selling your excess energy back to the grid is less then how much the grid charges for the same energy to need to buy back the next night or evening.  Not to mention the treadmill rewinding is heathy as well!....   hmmm  maybe I should start a 'green' gym...  and put generaters in all the equipment... in an area that has allows residential living above the gym   :D!

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Re: Mass Weight Battery and good health ;-)
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 04:57:55 AM »
The only "Weight" worth lifting is liquid.

Second is dry weight
moved and recovered
by using hydraulic's,
again ... a liquid ...

Using the excess energy to run a tiny pump
to pump water (as example) to a raised tank
is not wasted energy.

Not capturing the excess energy is.

And unless your in an area that is pro-green
and makes the utilities buy it back at retail rates
you basicly loose on the other deal for sure.

A positive displacement water mechanism,
to a motor that double as as a generator
still charges the first battery bank,
while you use the second bank.

Whats the harm?

A cheap water tank,
an old water meter,
and a nice slot car motor
with ubber-neo magnets.

Cheap, simple, done.

I vote that all storage ideas
no matter how ridiculous
(Or geek/redneck)
are worth a second look.

But the idea of a pump
on a stationary bicycle,
is so
"Hampster's in a Hampster Wheel".

So,
do you think a hampster's wheel
connected to a ....
« Last Edit: May 10, 2010, 06:01:15 AM by CompuTutor »