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Author Topic: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!  (Read 153786 times)

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2010, 10:30:48 PM »
Hi Pese,

Not with one magnet, but MANY magnets, all north facing in one direction and south facing in the other direction.  I know when you slap steel on top of the North Facing Magnets, that the North Field will be through the steel and even strengthened.  (picture is a few posts above)  But...What I don't know and GB will test and let me know, if the Unipolar Faraday's Paradox is applicable, or if I will have to use large magnets that will rotate on their axis.  these are too costly.  In the days of old, they used Electromagnets for this size, but this is a waste, when seeking OU in such a device.

I hope that GB's test shows that it will work.  I want to build a full sized machine.  ;-)

Cheers my friend,

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2010, 12:46:22 AM »
Hi Pese,

Not with one magnet, but MANY magnets, all north facing in one direction and south facing in the other direction.  I know when you slap steel on top of the North Facing Magnets, that the North Field will be through the steel and even strengthened.  (picture is a few posts above)  But...What I don't know and GB will test and let me know, if the Unipolar Faraday's Paradox is applicable, or if I will have to use large magnets that will rotate on their axis.  these are too costly.  In the days of old, they used Electromagnets for this size, but this is a waste, when seeking OU in such a device.

I hope that GB's test shows that it will work.  I want to build a full sized machine.  ;-)

Cheers my friend,

Bruce

I hop, that you find it out.
I know, and i test this out this moment.
wif you take some strong magnets 
- al with same polarity , on an disk
(not even on the ouside limits.)
than you will have  on the outsided plat surface no magnetic flux.  Even if you tak an 0m8mm plate ( from pc-case , i tested this als,  only you find an very weak
magnet field, that is not to use in your application

the magent flus om an magnet wil ONLY rum the shortest was from (possibly his own)  moth to South direction.

So the Flux only run, on the magnet-side of the plate
N to S.

If you will run ypur device - as you think to work with this.
you will find another way to bring the flux to transversing the flatcoil.


Take a look to hardisk magnets.  and to horse-shoes-magnets.
that it can work.

this system is als usefully for  wind-wheel-generators.
othewise , to much (un-neded) losts in soft working magnetfields.  Im am wondering since years over this...

Gustav Pese


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2010, 10:58:27 AM »
Preliminary tests appear promising at this moment.  I took the lid off a one gallon paint can to use as my steel plate, around 6" in diameter, and attached many 0.5 inch diameter neo magnets to one side of the lid (My neo magnets are very thin and not very strong, they're like button magnets).  Then I took a can opener and cut the bottom of a vegetable can (3.75 inches in diameter), and attached it to the other side of the magnets.  The magnets are sandwiched between the lid of the paint can and the face of the vegetable lid.

I then took another magnet in repulsive mode and moved it over the face of the lid, and the field appears to be uniform like a single magnet around the entire diameter and area of the lid ( I didn't feel any spots on the lid where the magnet was attracted to it, except around the outer edges of the paint can lid.  Moving the magnet over the lid was nice and smooth with no jerky motions).  The field from the lid, both attracts and repels the other magnet.  The other magnet starts to respond to the face of the lid when it is 4 inches away, and will try to turn when in repulsive mode, in order to align with the field from the lid.

The next test is to rotate the lids, and take measurements. I can't use the lid from the paint can as my conductive disc, because it isn't conductive.  Maybe if I sanded the lid it would be conductive.  The bottom of the vegetable can is conductive and I will use this as my conductive disc for this test.  If I get a relatively good voltage (it will be low in this case, but should be much higher than a small diameter magnet), then the steel plates can be used as one large diameter magnet.

I really like this concept.  If it works, then I can further my research into this area.  I have been limited to small diameter magnets, which doesn't work very well in these experiments.

[Edit:]  I will take a video and post it on youtube if the experiment is successful or not.

GB
« Last Edit: April 05, 2010, 11:53:17 AM by gravityblock »

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2010, 01:03:26 PM »
Hi Bruce and GB,

You might want to have a look here. It's about a homopolar generator that uses multiple magnets arranged in a disc structure like the two of you are testing. It seems this should work flawlessly.
There might be some more to learn there as well.

http://www.stardrivedevice.com/over-unity.html#intro

Hope it is of some use.

Good luck!


regards,

Dutchy


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2010, 02:32:07 PM »
Hi Bruce and GB,

You might want to have a look here. It's about a homopolar generator that uses multiple magnets arranged in a disc structure like the two of you are testing. It seems this should work flawlessly.
There might be some more to learn there as well.

http://www.stardrivedevice.com/over-unity.html#intro

Hope it is of some use.

Good luck!


regards,

Dutchy

I'm familiar with the StarDrive HPG concept.  Thanks for posting this, for I had forgotten about it and lost the link to the page.  I have it bookmarked now.

Here's a short video of my setup right now, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRhy4Zy70FY

I'm unable to take any measurements at this time due to poor conductivity on the metal plates.  Some places are conductive, and other places are not (probably due to a thin coating of non-conductive material on the metal discs).  When it's rotating, my voltmeter shows no continuity between the axis and outer edge.

In the video, you will notice when it first starts to run, it has a slight wobble up and down.  If I gradually pulse it until the rotor reaches it's maximum RPM, then it doesn't wobble during the spin-up.  If I don't pulse it, then it will fly off (the metal discs are only attached to the rotor via magnets, with no glue so I can get it balanced).  When the blue light is on, then it is being powered.  The black tape is around the smaller disc to keep the magnets from flying off due to the centrifugal force.  I will be taking measurements between the axis and to the edge of the black tape, which would be equivalent to around a 3.5 inch diameter magnet.

I'll work on a good conductive disc so I can take measurements.  Hopefully I can finish this test today.  I do have some errands to run, so it may be later in the evening before I can make the necessary changes.

GB
« Last Edit: April 05, 2010, 02:56:57 PM by gravityblock »

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2010, 09:54:29 PM »
Hi GB,

Nice setup!  What are you rotating it with?  Based on the info that Dutchy posted, it should certainly work!!  Now I am really stoked...!  I look forward to your results... I won't be home till Thurs, so can only watch.

@Dutchy,

Great find!  Thanks for posting that info!  I had seen a part of it before, but not the photo's, or actual build of any unit.  It would seem that someone else had a "part" of my idea... ;)

Now, I want to build a 12" unit, except, using N52 magnets, and replace his copper disc with "several" bifilar wound Tesla pancake coils, using stranded wire... That should put out some juice... hehehe

I like the idea of using some spacers, between the magnets in the array, I have to think about this...I think that I can come up with something...actually drilling a bunch of holes is not that bad of an idea...hmm.. need to think on that one. 

I did notice that he did not use a plate on top of his magnets.  Would this be advantagious?  I think perhaps a thin plate would be.

Lastly, I think that the output can be multiplied, by stacking...ie.. magnet, coil, coil, coil, coil, magnet, coil, coil, coil, coil, magnet.  Three magnet arrays and 8 coils.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2010, 12:04:00 AM »
I think the test was successful, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgIlORURSbI

When I reverse the probes, the sign on the voltmeter changes.  Reversing the probes is to show that the voltmeter isn't measuring any stray EM from the motor itself, but is actually measuring the EMF between the axis and outer edge of the conductor.  The voltmeter is showing mV with one decimal digit.  The readings are fluctuating probably due to a poor conductor and movement of the probes (I used roof flashing for the conducting material. They had a roll of copper, but it was like $80) The readings are much higher than I expected, so I need to do more testing with the metal discs on an axle, and as far away from the motor itself in order to fully rule out any interactions between the coils, motor magnets, and the HPG.  I will also put a resistor across the terminals of my voltmeter.

I will continue to do more testing on this throughout the week to rule out any external influences.  Thick metal plates are not needed IMO, if the magnets are properly spaced.  I do think having the magnets attached to a thin metal plate, with the proper spacing of the magnets will make the field more uniform with better results.

[Edit:]  @Bruce, this publication may also make you fell better.  The experiment in the publication is different from what we're trying to do, but there are some similarities. http://www.distinti.com/docs/pdx/paradox2.pdf

GB
« Last Edit: April 06, 2010, 12:55:26 AM by gravityblock »

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2010, 01:16:43 AM »
Very nice GB!  I am pretty sure that your reading is from the mags.  slap some paper and add another lid and stack em up.

What are you using for a motor, a computer fan?

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2010, 01:55:28 AM »
Very nice GB!  I am pretty sure that your reading is from the mags.  slap some paper and add another lid and stack em up.

What are you using for a motor, a computer fan?

Cheers,

Bruce

I'm using a computer fan for the motor.  I can't stack anymore discs, because I don't have enough magnets to make another layer, lol.  I have a lot of magnets sandwiched between those plates.

I now have plans to build a much bigger HPG with an axle and magnets attached to metal plates to act as a large diameter magnet, using either my dremil drill or my router for the drive motor (very high RPM's).  My dremil drill is adjustable in increments of 1,000 anywhere between 5,000 - 35,000 RPM's, so this would allow me to take measurements over a large range.  I think a DC motor would be better, but I will use what I have around the house for the time being in order to achieve really high RPM's.  With a little time and effort, I can now test some of my designs.  I'll be working on a good and flexible test rig to take measurements of various designs, including the pancake coil.

I really appreciate you sharing this idea on how to simulate a large diameter magnet using numerous magnets attached to a metal plate.  Thanks.

GB

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2010, 02:33:36 AM »
Hi GB,

I just finished reading through that .pdf that you posted.  Good stuff!  Interesting, in that it too proves, that the magnet rotating, NOT on it's axis can indeed produce power.  This tells me that the idea that the flux does not rotate, but only the magnet, is indeed a false assumption...for if that were true, a magnet on the outer edge of a rotor would consitantly "move" away from where it's flux had been and no power would be generated. 

This indeed means that simulating a large magnet will indeed work!  The reason that their experiment with two NORTH facing magnets did not work is because of the way their machine was wired, it would be the same as sandwiching a disc/coil between north up and north down magnets.

I have written to steorn, about their zeroF bearings.  I will use two of them for this large project.  It will still be costly, making 12" diameter "simulated" N52 magnets, but so be it... The main items that will influence the power output that are obviouse is the strength of the flux field, and the speed of the rotation.  The items not so obviouse are, bifilar tesla pancake coils, or regular coils, or discs.  Stacked, not stacked, resistance of coil, etc.

Things I still wonder, if I want to drive it like a homopolor generator?  Can a "simulated" magnet work like a homopolor generator and generate spin??

You may try that with your magnet sandwich, GB!  Add a nail to the bottom and see if you can spin it like a single magnet/nail homopolor generator...inquiring minds want to know...   

We need to source a very strong epoxy, and I am thinking of using a 12 Round of stiff styrofoam for spacers.... I want to build strong but very light! 

I have already designed a simple double brush system to take off power.  I will try simple, unless simple doesn't work!...LOL

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2010, 03:16:26 AM »
Bruce,

Here's a really short video of the Paradox2 experiment with an oscilloscope, http://www.distinti.com/docs/pdx/pdx2.MPG

He rotates it in one direction briefly, then rotates it in another direction after a short pause.  It's a really quick test.

I'll let you know the results of the nail experiment.

GB

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« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2010, 04:00:19 AM »
Hi GB,
This indeed means that simulating a large magnet will indeed work!  The reason that their experiment with two NORTH facing magnets did not work is because of the way their machine was wired, it would be the same as sandwiching a disc/coil between north up and north down magnets.

Cheers,

Bruce

I agree with you to why the two North facing magnets didn't work in the Paradox2 experiment.  It didn't work due to the way the machine was wired and they canceled each other.  Good observation.  Thanks for taking the time to read and to study that experiment.   I think that experiment really helps to correctly understand the HPG/HPM.

GB


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« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2010, 11:12:29 AM »
I have written to steorn, about their zeroF bearings.  I will use two of them for this large project.
Hi Bruce,
Do they sell it to everyone? Or just SKDB related guys ? If you can get them from Steorn, what is the price ? Thanks in advance for that info.

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2010, 03:50:24 PM »
I agree with you to why the two North facing magnets didn't work in the Paradox2 experiment.  It didn't work due to the way the machine was wired and they canceled each other.  Good observation.  Thanks for taking the time to read and to study that experiment.   I think that experiment really helps to correctly understand the HPG/HPM.

GB

If you are using all north faced and you live in the Northern Hemisphere, you should not use North, but use South. The North is already there all around the coil. Do the reverse if you live in the Southern Hemisphere.


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2010, 05:17:21 PM »
If you are using all north faced and you live in the Northern Hemisphere, you should not use North, but use South. The North is already there all around the coil. Do the reverse if you live in the Southern Hemisphere.

Hi Wattsup,

this is an error.

the magnetic south pool of the earth is at the geographic northpol and vice versa.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/Magnetosphere/earth_magnetic_poles.html

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