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Author Topic: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!  (Read 151355 times)

Online gravityblock

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #165 on: May 19, 2011, 06:34:48 PM »
Broli,

I'm trying to revive one of your old threads at the energeticforum.  I hope you take a look at the publication on "hidden momentum" found in the below thread.  Hidden momentum may be a factor in this thread also. It's good to see you're still around.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3935-magnet-motor-using-repeling-magnets-radial-magnets-if-availbale.html#post141123

Thanks,

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #166 on: May 20, 2011, 07:57:16 AM »
Yes it's all related, it all comes down to moving charge that cause forces to act and react.


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #167 on: January 23, 2015, 05:34:32 PM »
Wow.


Somebody call Mulder and Scully. This is real twilight zone stuff.


Steve posted frequently about every step of his project, up to page 11, then all of a sudden and for no reason he suddently disappears. At the same time the thread get's flooded by some weirdo offtopic spam. A brief note by gravityblock, about continuing a related topic on another forum, then exitus.


You guys can't he serious. What were the results? Even if you were completely unsuccessful, let us know! Even if you were locked up in a sanatory due to "free energy mental disorder", let us know... we may get you out of there, Rambo style.


On page 2 or 3 or so, some phantastic suggestions were made (a real HEUREKA experience, don't miss it!). See the drawing of the two HPGs on one axle, one of them with reverse polarity, connected in series: basicly  brushless HPG! Even if that isn't OU, it's a remarkable achievement! None tried that? Unbelievable! So simple, logic and coherent (just as a smartass sprinkle word)...


A couple of very basic questions I got, that maybe somebody can answer due to first hand practical experience:


When we rotate Disc and Magnet and we use eg. only carbon brushes, but abolutely no metals in the near environment  so no "external circuit", do we still get a voltage/current?


We know we won't get a voltage when the load rotates with the disc, but does (as gravityblock assumed) a second HPG of opposite rotation substitute the "external circuit"? Does it even double the potential?


If so, does instead of opposite rotation a simple opposite polarity work as well?


If so, then you know what that means. We could rotate them on the same axle, with the load between them in series, as described by Gravityblock.


Furthermore it was said, to use a HPG as a HPM, one would have to use an input that is of the opposite polarity, compared to the output of the HPG, when rotating in the same direction... I think that is nonsense! Please somebody confirm this!


Furthermore, I find it very interesting to imagine what happens when you simply loop the current flow: the more  current is generated, the more it will feed to itself. With low losses there may be a recursive selfamplification to some degree.


Furthermore, assuming the structure of the disc, eg. a pancake coil, is so that it generates an electromagnet as soon as current flows, and that magnet ADDS to the permanent magnet (which is simply a matter of cw vs ccw), then, due to the fact that the output of the HPG is RPM * (Diameter^2)*Magnet strength, this will also recursively add to the efficiency!


BUT... it could be that the HPG needs some sort of radial electron propagation and a pancake coil and esp. a serial bifilar one, may not provide enough radial paths, so the initial, old idea of the spiral sections as a middle way may be the better choice. Of course both should be tested. The prototype should allow to turn the discs/coils by 180° (cw vs ccw) and the axle to rotate in both directions, this way it should be possible to test if this theory fits the real world.


At least, it was Tesla who said he was able to run a HPG as a fuelless generator.


Would be nice if somebody is still in here, or at least has some helpfull information.


BR


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #168 on: January 24, 2015, 05:34:17 PM »
Here's the motor concept.

The spiral disk and the solid disk are only connected at the axis. Both of the disks spin together, the magnet is stationary. There should be no induced emf as both disks generate an equal amount of voltage when spun, however the solid disk produces a torque while the spiral disk does not.
This reminds me of Tesla's (monofilar) pancake coil. I wonder if this advances the thinking in any way.


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #169 on: January 25, 2015, 02:06:13 AM »
Well, a pancake coil instead of a disc was the whole point of Bruces project. As I said, pity he never posted the results.


I am currently doing some tests, but working with tiny models is rather fruitless, because the output quadruples with the radius: speed * magnet strength * (radius^2). That said, these generators tend to have very marginal outputs, like a few millivolts with a few milliamps, eg. from 2 microwave ring magnets sandwiching a copper disc. Which is silly when you rotate them with a 300W motor.
But lets assume a 8cm disc outputs 1 Watt, then a 128 cm disc would deliver 256 watt, with the same rpm and field strength. Well, still not that much, considering the size.


Nevertheless: Tesla was convinced that a self+exciting operation must be possible, with spiral intersections.

.BTW. why did nobody ever try ionized water instead of a brush, for the rim contact?

BR

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #169 on: January 25, 2015, 02:06:13 AM »
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Offline dieter

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #170 on: January 27, 2015, 06:04:58 PM »
Here is my conclusion about the whole HPG topic.


The smaller, the less efficient, where only a gigantic model would reach an interesting performence, since, as it was said several times, with the diameter the output increases exponentially (^2).


I can hardly believe those who say they reached 70% efficience, or even more.


In a model that fits in a lab, the ratio between output as a generator and input as a motor is usually stupidly huge, read inefficient.


In my 2 microwave oven ring magnet sandwich HPG I reached silly 3 millivolt at 0.3 microamp, although only spun at probably 200 rpm.


I used a 1mm copper disc containing 4 spiral segmentations, with a closed ring in the center and at the rim, as suggested by tesla.


However, when I switched the magnet polarity, then the output amps became zero, which seems to indicate, that the spiral pattern indeed is capable of increasing or decreasing the output.


BR


 

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #171 on: January 27, 2015, 06:33:15 PM »
Well, a pancake coil instead of a disc was the whole point of Bruces project. As I said, pity he never posted the results.


Are they on this  thread somewhere?

http://overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/2055/#.VMfLbXcYtwE

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #171 on: January 27, 2015, 06:33:15 PM »
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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #172 on: January 28, 2015, 03:22:34 AM »
I guess not, the TPU is an other project. But wait  I'll just read those 138 pages to make sure...  ;D


Thanks anyway.


BR


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #173 on: March 01, 2015, 11:57:00 PM »
hi everybody... read this thread and it seemed interesting up to the point progress stopped and the incoherent statements began... Anyway...

Did anyone think of making the monofilar, or even bifilar, winding using a printed circuit card? You could get really fine details, and try out lots of different patterns pretty cheap that way.

I like the idea of using multiple arms radiating out from center to an edge ring, then a spiral from edge back to center. Coming back from edge to center with charge vector pointing inward would create counter torque if in same direction magnetic field, but a spiral path would direct most of the force in or out not tangential to rotation (right hand rule).

That is a combination of 2 different ideas here, and you shouldn't need brushes on the outside to complete the circuit if you do that, maybe still need them on the top and bottom shafts to supply power for hpm.

I guess the charge could be thought of as still overall moving towards the center, just slower and accelerating as circumference reduces toward center.

I don't have any big magnets to try this out with... anybody know where to get some cheap?

OR... could you dispense with the magnets altogether in a motor configuration where the spiral return from the edge forms the B field for the radial legs on the layer above it on the PCB. After several alternating layers and PCBs soldered together could you create a motor based on HPM that would turn the same way regardless of current direction (if current reverses field reverses and radial current flow reverses too, leaving net torque in the same direction).

Anyway, i enjoyed reading this thread. If it is truly dead It will be disappointing. It should be possible to get some PCBs made up much cheaper than $800 in magnets.

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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #174 on: March 30, 2015, 09:19:08 AM »
However, when I switched the magnet polarity, then the output amps became zero, which seems to indicate, that the spiral pattern indeed is capable of increasing or decreasing the output.

Yes, and the logarithmic spiral is the shortest spiral with the maximum electromagnetic torque.

Reference:  Electromagnetic Induction and the Conservation of Momentum in the Spiral Paradox


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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #175 on: March 31, 2015, 02:53:07 PM »

However, when I switched the magnet polarity, then the output amps became zero, which seems to indicate, that the spiral pattern indeed is capable of increasing or decreasing the output.



Yes the electrons are spiraling in the metal disk. So cut a physical spiral slot in the disk and it either directs the
electrons along the spirals or opposes them. (This may be how Tesla got the idea for his "linear pressure check valve".)
If parameters are not correct, one gets eddy current spirals as the electrons never reach physical edge of the disk
and contact point.

I suspect that the parameters that govern the spiral, are the momentum of the electrons, and a very strange average physical
velocity of actual electrons in the metal. We are used to dealing with the velocity of the signal propagation wave front at nearly the speed
of light but physical speed of electrons in metal is only about the speed of sound. I bet the form of the equation for the spiral motion
varies quite a bit from a clean cut pure electrodynamics equation, and the difference may be what causes physicists to treat the
homopolar generator as sort of a strange beast.



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Re: Bruce's Discovery, Tesla's Missing Link for his Unipolar Generator!
« Reply #176 on: February 03, 2017, 04:43:34 PM »
Bruce   ...   I think you are correct about the self-running part. I've known about Tesla's Unipolar Dynamo for at least ten years. I think I have a memory from the 1950's, not completely sure since I was a child. I was with my father in his business shop. If I'm correct, he was ordered to remove a welder. The mechanic complained, saying "it moves by itself". I'm guessing the welder was Tesla's Unipolar design, and they were confiscated in the whole country.
Regardless, from Tesla's Notes, I figured out, years ago, that the disk should be a pancake coil for maximum effect. Your idea, about using Tesla's bifilar coil, may be counterproductive. Have you tried it yet? From the Prof's paper, on the bifilar coil, it only works at certain frequencies, with 11 KHz being the best, if I remember correctly.
Bob


 

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