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Author Topic: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils  (Read 166715 times)

Offline Mk1

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2010, 03:43:53 AM »
@ All.
Hi, one more idea. (Pickup cap from shiny cooper tape or plate)
Or 2 pickup coils 1 round from shiny cooper tape or plate

Hi thanks for the drawing , good idea , i already tried with aluminum As soon as i put it in the middle the coils stops working , so the field inside the toroid is really important for the good operation of the coil.

I did not at the time have enough copper to try it.

Mark
 

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2010, 03:56:19 AM »
Hi Mark,
This is really great that you have made this thread.
I have wanted to fix my copy of your coil for a while and soon I will have the time to wind again.

Is the light on the motor movie a 1v or 3v flashlight lamp? It appears to be the filament type.
I know I asked this on the other thread, but I want to see the confirmation here.

I also noticed that on the liquid fero coil vid the person has made a coil with the cardboard tube turned into a cardboard flat like a cd instead of the way you and AG did them.
Did you try that?
I wonder where to put a pick up on that? But it might be a lot easier to make.

First I will refine my replication so it works like yours.

Thank you for all the detail,

jeanna


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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2010, 04:01:55 AM »
Hey Mk
Since you have been working on this for a while, has it given you any insight as to what is actually going on with this style of coil interaction as compared to what we know about common transformers? Is there any of AG's theory becoming evident as you progress?
Just asking. I had an interest in the interactions of windings crossing similar to these before AG brought it about.

I wonder if 45deg is optimum. I had some good ideas and thoughts of how the coils would interact. But I had to wander back to some projects I was more into at the time.

Its good to see there are more than one way to apply the coils. Actually, yours had the best output so far as I can tell.

How many coils have you made and tried so far. Just interested.

Mags


Ok , many good questions , i will answer some of it now , and some more tomorrow .

45 degree i am still not sure , but when i did do it i went from 1 to 3 volts the 8 volts out per turn , it did help but it doesn't mean it the best it can do.

So far i have constructed all prototypes with the original theory by Ag, but i use 1.25 volts and the kicking is quite different from what is originally specified by AG , never the less i know i can turn any type of transformer in a jt so i did ( it means it is a transformer , but i have one with 4 primary when i use only 2 the other left there give me what i should expect from a regular jt pickup coil good but not spectacular ).

The secondary(pickupcoil) works independently from the rest.

How many ?

Lets see ...  about 9 .

 more pictures

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2010, 04:13:25 AM »
Hey Mk
On that last pic, it looks good and tight. I always wondered if you had another secondary inside also, if the polarity of it would be in the opposite direction of the outer secondary. By the looks of it in relation to the primaries, it seems as if it would be just as effective as the outer secondary. So I wonder if it would take anything from the outer primary if it were added, or if the secondaries could be combined to increase the power out. =]

Mags


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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2010, 04:42:41 AM »
Hi Mark,
This is really great that you have made this thread.
I have wanted to fix my copy of your coil for a while and soon I will have the time to wind again.

Is the light on the motor movie a 1v or 3v flashlight lamp? It appears to be the filament type.
I know I asked this on the other thread, but I want to see the confirmation here.

I also noticed that on the liquid fero coil vid the person has made a coil with the cardboard tube turned into a cardboard flat like a cd instead of the way you and AG did them.
Did you try that?
I wonder where to put a pick up on that? But it might be a lot easier to make.

First I will refine my replication so it works like yours.

Thank you for all the detail,

jeanna

Hi Jeanna ,how was camping , i hope you had fun .

Thanks for the 5 star and positive comment here and on the tube.

In the motor video i used the 49 size bulb its about 2 volts and .06 amp.

I also have a 6 volts and .25 amp , it lights at about 30 percent now , about the same as the 2 volts use to shine , at there is so much improvement that can be made , i have a 14v .25 i see something but lets not get crazy yet .

Yes the fero fluid coil is quite interesting , i would lay down the coil on each side of the core , it should work , but the fluid would most likely stop the AG coil action , and since the pickup coil would not be at 90 degree for the magnet i may not work or worst give dc  ;)

Mark 

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2010, 04:42:41 AM »
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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2010, 04:52:19 AM »
Mk1
Sir your workmanship Is amazing!
you must have the patience of a saint !

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2010, 04:56:49 AM »
Hey Mk
On that last pic, it looks good and tight. I always wondered if you had another secondary inside also, if the polarity of it would be in the opposite direction of the outer secondary. By the looks of it in relation to the primaries, it seems as if it would be just as effective as the outer secondary. So I wonder if it would take anything from the outer primary if it were added, or if the secondaries could be combined to increase the power out. =]

Mags

Good question , i made one with one coil inside (the Micro ) but was care less and did it the wrong way around , so its not wound in the right direction.I should have a second look at it  , and come back with more.

There is also more loading , if it is true that the jt coil are blind to the pickup coil load in most cases , but 2 pickup coil on the same axe that is another ball game , i connected them mobius like and got better results.
After writing this i have to comment that the micro is not the best design .
But i did connect all 3 pickup coil in series and parallel series got more light.

I am still at a learning stage and having so much fun , i hope you will too.

One constant emerge , fat wire on the pickup coil are a must , i used the biggest i had , and now looking for bigger.

I still have so much info , i will be busy this weekend making videos of most important coil i have and try to show what i mean.

Thanks Mag





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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2010, 04:56:49 AM »
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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2010, 04:59:37 AM »
Mk1
Sir your workmanship Is amazing!
you must have the patience of a saint !

Thanks , i have some patience and share a name with a saint but it is all about determination .
You are welcome !

Mark
« Last Edit: March 13, 2010, 07:46:29 AM by Mk1 »

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2010, 12:35:47 AM »
@all

I made this in hope of explaining how to design you own coil.

To get efficient more efficiency you need at least 36 turns per jt wire .

The offset 10 degree is considering a second parallel layer so they each 5 degree spacing on the orbit side . I still not sure but i have reason to think that going bellow 3 degree is causing the load to be more apparent at the transistor. 
« Last Edit: March 14, 2010, 12:04:34 PM by Mk1 »

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2010, 01:04:42 AM »
Mark,
In the drawing you show a perfect triangle. You begin by moving toward the tube and end away from the tube (I am referring to the red arrows.)
When the one triangle is finished you must move on to the next spot to begin the next triangle.
So, my question is...
If your start and finish point is 7 on a clock, is the next triangle going to be toward 6 o'clock or 8 o'clock?

Did you try both ways?
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The offset 10 degree is considering a second parallel layer so they each 5 degree spacing on the orbit side .
I do not understand what you are saying.

About the second layer, I am assuming the bifilar is made in alternate wires on the tube on each layer. Is that right?


Thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2010, 01:13:30 AM »
Mark,
In the drawing you show a perfect triangle. You begin by moving toward the tube and end away from the tube (I am referring to the red arrows.)
When the one triangle is finished you must move on to the next spot to begin the next triangle.
So, my question is...
If your start and finish point is 7 on a clock, is the next triangle going to be toward 6 o'clock or 8 o'clock?

Did you try both ways?
---I do not understand what you are saying.

About the second layer, I am assuming the bifilar is made in alternate wires on the tube on each layer. Is that right?


Thank you,

jeanna

Jeanna

Going toward 6 on a clock , by connecting the coil you can have it both ways , but winding it i always go usually to the right of the previous layer.
On x design one it going in opposite direction for each other.

You are right on the bililar question.

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2010, 02:59:19 AM »
@all

In the theory exposed by Agentgates , saying that the diamagnetic of copper was causing the effect , so i tried aluminum (Paramagnetic)
it also works.

It left me with one question is the negative back spike , is because we us copper , could we change the material and get a positive one ?

Or even better produce both ?

Diamagnetic metals have a very weak and negative susceptibility to magnetic fields. Diamagnetic materials are slightly repelled by a magnetic field and the material does not retain the magnetic properties when the external field is removed. Diamagnetic materials are solids with all paired electron resulting in no permanent net magnetic moment per atom. Diamagnetic properties arise from the realignment of the electron orbits under the influence of an external magnetic field. Most elements in the periodic table, including copper, silver, and gold, are diamagnetic.

Paramagnetic metals have a small and positive susceptibility to magnetic fields. These materials are slightly attracted by a magnetic field and the material does not retain the magnetic properties when the external field is removed. Paramagnetic properties are due to the presence of some unpaired electrons, and from the realignment of the electron orbits caused by the external magnetic field. Paramagnetic materials include magnesium, molybdenum, lithium, and tantalum.

Mark


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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2010, 03:19:50 AM »
Thanks for the reply Mark.

Do your bifilar winds actually start on opposite sides of the former (crossing at the same point but running in parallel?)  whoa is that clear?   :P

Regards

E-Goose

I agree  ???

I almost mist it , i have done both , i have yet concluded on it .

Mark

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2010, 03:53:36 AM »
I agree  ???

I almost mist it , i have done both , i have yet concluded on it .

Mark

Hee hee...and here I was thinking I had totally confuddled you!  :D

Now this is all VERY intriguing and I am wondering some things after trialing some variants in addition to what I have played with previous.  Conclusion?  It has left me with even more questions (or more appropriately 'avenues to experiment') than the answers I was hoping for.  Ugggh.

I noticed 'AG' says that for his effect to be efficient, he prefers a spacing of 3 - 5mm between wires (minimum) (if using ONE wire and some sort of oscilation circuit).  However, because we are utilizing a bifilar/transistor oscillation I noticed that your wires appear somewhat closer Mark?  Or is that the camera playing tricks?  Pickup/satelite coil spacing not so important I am concluding.

Also, have you noticed what is more efficient in performance?  1) Wire 'slope' on the former face or 2)number of TOTAL turns (revolutions around former)? 

Regards

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Re: Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2010, 04:19:51 AM »
Hee hee...and here I was thinking I had totally confuddled you!  :D

Now this is all VERY intriguing and I am wondering some things after trialing some variants in addition to what I have played with previous.  Conclusion?  It has left me with even more questions (or more appropriately 'avenues to experiment') than the answers I was hoping for.  Ugggh.

I noticed 'AG' says that for his effect to be efficient, he prefers a spacing of 3 - 5mm between wires (minimum) (if using ONE wire and some sort of oscilation circuit).  However, because we are utilizing a bifilar/transistor oscillation I noticed that your wires appear somewhat closer Mark?  Or is that the camera playing tricks?  Pickup/satelite coil spacing not so important I am concluding.

Also, have you noticed what is more efficient in performance?  1) Wire 'slope' on the former face or 2)number of TOTAL turns (revolutions around former)? 

Regards

E=Goose2

Ok in this movie
http://www.youtube.com/user/abramrk1#p/u/3/wS935WyumjY

The coil has more space between to coils , see what happen to the bulb one the pickup coil when i connect on one the transistor , the bulb on the pickup coil gets brighter , but this not true for the slim , now is it because of the spacing in the pickup coil or the one on the jt , i am still not sure, sorry ...

The 45 degree angle slope seemed logical but lab experiment will be needed to have a definitive value for that slope.

I did notice a big improvement (in voltage output) over my first one that had a 15/75 slope.

Mark
 

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