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Author Topic: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter  (Read 37140 times)

Offline LarryC

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Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« on: February 20, 2010, 11:07:38 PM »
Check out this motor at  http://www.gap-power.com/. The video's take a while, but worth viewing as the concept is fully explained. Found this info at Peswiki.

This motor is much more powerful than Orbo and no secrets.

Regards, Larry
« Last Edit: February 21, 2010, 01:10:05 AM by LarryC »

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 02:09:19 AM »
Watched the whole clip. Seems very interesting. It would have to be made to ways to convince me though.
1 would be as shown, and the other would be with just coils and cores.
What I question is, if the coils were used to push and pull as compared to pull and cut off, there may be equal forces to the rotor either way.

Like speaker systems for example, 1 10in speaker at 100w lets say can put out 100db at 60hz. If we now have 2 speakers at 50w each and 60hz, we will have 103db, at the same power.
The way this works is, 1 speaker at 50w and put out 97db, if the power is doubled to 100w we get a 3 db increase.
But if we introduce a second speaker at 50w along with the other at 50w, the increase is 6db.
Sounds hard to believe a bit. Increasing output wattage, per say, to double by dividing the input power to 2 motors
and combining the outputs.
And if we have 4 speakers at 25w ea. the total out would be 106db.
This doesnt say much about the efficiency of the original speaker. Now we add a tuned port to the enclosure. At the tuned freq the db increase could be above 10db, This type of increase would require 10 times the original input power.

All in all, I have tested this with the speakers and it is true. As for this motor, it would have to go though the suggested test above to say if this idea works or not. If the motor as presented were 100% eff. and the 1 without perm. mags were 95% then I would say he has the advantage.

I wonder if the guy is still around, and if he could do these tests.

Mags


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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 02:40:01 AM »
Larry
I watched the entire sequence also,
Seems like a really cool idea [magnets as batteries] a very simple concept with a very big payback [amplification and neutralization].
Do you know of any attempts?
are you considering one??

You always do such great  builds it would be nice to see one that could make as much power as this one would seem to be able to do[linear power curve]

It seems that one could rip" Hell off its hinges" with one of these motors!

would be interesting to know amps on these coils[I know depends on mag strength],as the "pulse" would be infinitesimally short[back and forth]but always on?

Very cool Larry
Thanks
Chet


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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2010, 02:42:01 PM »

This motor is much more powerful than Orbo and no secrets.

Regards, Larry

Note that he is not claiming OU.
It is a very efficient motor. 95% saving is cool. However he should show the power consumption under load. Without such tests we won't know the actual savings.

Anyway good presentation.


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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »
Well...............
I just have to ask
 If I can provide a constant 1000lb "pull" on a wheel with this set up ,

How the heck do you calculate OU[or any] efficiency utilizing ten 100 lb [pull] magnets as part of your power curve?

Thanks

Chet

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »
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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2010, 03:52:59 PM »
@larryc

Thanks for posting this. I watched all the videoes and everything is described clearly.

@all,
Verification of what was described is quite simple obviously this can be done with a scaled down set up.

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2010, 04:01:42 PM »
Hi Omega_0,

You have to read again the following sentence of Arthur :

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At 18 volts, 95.31 percent of the power produced by the above motor is generated by the permanent magnet. The electro-magnet is just simply acting as a switch, which at the appropriate time, is turning on and off the magnetism from the permanent magnet.

This means that - as an example - 4.69watt power-input is needed for an output of 100 Watt .
He is a wise guy. stays under the radar.

No ou ? LOL

Kator01

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2010, 04:01:42 PM »
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Offline LarryC

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 05:30:35 PM »
@All,

Thanks for taking the time to view his video's. Even John Bedini is impressed with the motor  http://pesn.com/2010/02/20/9501617_GAP-Power_magnetic_amplification_and_neutralization_illustrates_regauging/

I have sent Art an email asking if he could give us more detail about the setup. It would save some time in building the replication.

It seems that when the coil is off with his configuration, a lot of the magnet flux is coming out the side of the core and back to the opposite magnet pole. The coil just focuses the flux thru the entire core length.

I would like to first replicate the basic coil core setup and do a pull test. Without more specifics this would be trail and error. Can anyone with a magnetic simulator try to reproduce the effect using the relative dimensional proportion shown?

Regards, Larry

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 05:50:01 PM »
Greetings Larry

 I took a look at it and there is allot to learn from what I've seen. Good find. By the way, check out my new string, magnetic manipulation. I just posted it with youtube videos. simple test but who knows.

Alan

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 06:06:36 PM »
Here is one way to test this. Two identical coils on a soft iron core with
a magnet on. The core to the left is the output coil.

G.

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 06:06:36 PM »
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Offline Omega_0

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 07:46:56 PM »
Hi Omega_0,

You have to read again the following sentence of Arthur :

This means that - as an example - 4.69watt power-input is needed for an output of 100 Watt .
He is a wise guy. stays under the radar.

No ou ? LOL

Kator01

I think you are misinterpreting the word "power". He does not talk about the output. He does not mean that feeding 4.69 W into the coils will "generate" 100 W, he means only that 4.69 % is the contribution to the output from the EM according to his definitions. What he has defined is:

100 - 100*Fe/(Fa-Fn) = %Fan

where %Fan is the % of force due to amplification and neutralization, Fa is force in amplification mode only, Fn is in neutralization mode and Fe is in EM only mode.

Feed the values:
100 - 100*4.4/(101-7.35) = %Fan
or
100 - 4.69 = 95.31 = %Fan

Now Efficiency = Eout/Ein

 = torque*angle/(V*I*duty cycle)
 = Fan*radius of rotor*2pi*RPM/(V*I*duty cycle*60)

So you can see that we know only 2 variables out of 7 (Fan and V) and it is not fair to say anything about the efficiency. He needs to measure Ein and Eout.

I'm not saying that this is underunity, there is a good chance that it is OU. Someone needs to measure it properly.





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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2010, 07:53:19 PM »
Here is one way to test this. Two identical coils on a soft iron core with
a magnet on. The core to the left is the output coil.

G.
To increase the effect ... this solution from Lockheed Martin Corporation

An apparatus and method for creating a magnetic beam wherein a focusing magnet assembly.
Patent number: 5929732

http://www.google.com/patents?id=V7YYAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false



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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 11:53:06 PM »
To make it easy for the magnet simulators and replicators, the dimensions were taken off the Lock-up video. Not perfect, but close as I zoomed the picture until the alligator clips were the correct size in MM, which appear to be the small size from Radio Shack.

Regards,
Larry






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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2010, 12:17:39 AM »
An interesting comment about this Re gauging phenomena from user Dark speed
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This GAP design is exactly the design in the magnacoaster patent... The version of the patent that involves rotation - not the motionless one

Coil shunts neo on approach then changes polarity (or turns off ) allowing the two neos to repell each other

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Comment made here:[reply 56]
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=120.msg1962#msg1962
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This I was not aware of ,RE magnacoaster
Chet

## User Darkspeed sharing his Re Gauging experiments/ experiences here[very impressive fellow]
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=133.msg1965#msg1965

PPS
 I agree "Exactly" is a very BIG word !!
« Last Edit: February 22, 2010, 02:05:01 AM by ramset »


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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2010, 01:37:03 AM »
An interesting comment about this Re gauging phenomena from user Dark speed
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This GAP design is exactly the design in the magnacoaster patent... The version of the patent that involves rotation - not the motionless one

Coil shunts neo on approach then changes polarity (or turns off ) allowing the two neos to repell each other


Exactly???

No. There are no magnets on the armature as in Richard Willis patent, it is a metalic strip section on the armature. The amplication pulse increase the force of pulling the armature strip into the magnet, coil, core section, then it can be released as it would continue around with no restriction until the point where it needs the neutralization pulse to allow the armature strip to pass.
 
Regards, Larry
 

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Re: Magnetic amplification and neutralization motor by Art Porter
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