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Author Topic: Frequencies and resonance  (Read 19372 times)

Offline Artic_Knight

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Frequencies and resonance
« on: February 18, 2010, 02:09:58 AM »
so with a little searching on the internet i seen listed 3 frequencies for breaking water extreamly effeciently. 42.8mhz, 34.8mhz, 71.3hz.

Anyone have any idea what frequencies work best or best methods to induce resonance in a cell? theres a lot of opinions on the net. maybe there are some patents or case studies?

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Frequencies and resonance
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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 02:33:33 AM »
so with a little searching on the internet i seen listed 3 frequencies for breaking water extreamly effeciently. 42.8mhz, 34.8mhz, 71.3hz.

Anyone have any idea what frequencies work best or best methods to induce resonance in a cell? theres a lot of opinions on the net. maybe there are some patents or case studies?

A high amplitude transmitter signal of 1420405751.768 Hz(1420Mhz UHF) should cause Saltwater to spontaneously ignite, 1420MHz is the hyperfine resonate frequency of Hydrogen Plasma and the focused transmitted signal should directly interact with Hydrogen Molecules.

I don't know what frequency this gentleman is using but near the end of the video he shows the theory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo

1420MHz should be the optimum frequency to make it as efficient that it can be for Hydrogen.

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 04:14:48 PM »
so with a little searching on the internet i seen listed 3 frequencies for breaking water extreamly effeciently. 42.8mhz, 34.8mhz, 71.3hz.
The Bob Boyce system which gives electrolysis at 1200% Faraday, uses 42.8khz,
and also one octave down, and as well as an octave below that. There is a toroid
with coils using 42.8khz, 21 and 10 khz.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/D9.pdf (and the yahoo Group WorkingWaterCar).

Interestingly enough, 42.8khz is the frequency used by John Worrell Keely

Offline HeairBear

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 03:01:53 AM »
The resonant frequency you are referring to is not related to the molecule or water as a whole. What you are looking for is a frequency related to the space or gap between the two plates. When the frequency matches the space, a resonant action will occur. There is more to it than that, but in general, the 42.8Khz being the special frequency is just a perpetuated myth. If you find this hard to believe, try it for yourselves. The Kanzius method is not anything close to any type of resonant action for the fact it only works with a certain electrolyte or salt. Bob's stuff in my opinion is crap, although some claim his hex controller will charge batteries for four times the price of a Bedini to achieve the same results.

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 03:05:27 PM »
Hairbear

I have not read this whole thread so I apologize if this has been said or asked.

Will glass [or anything] break" best"  at  a specific frequency?

I really don't know the answer to this,but I feel it would apply to all things solid or not.
Thanks
Chet


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Offline HeairBear

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 03:22:50 PM »
Sure! All objects have resonant frequencies relative to there mass and shape, although, some materials and shapes are easier to vibrate. So, to break the glass, it has to be a certain size and shape and material to be easily broken by sound. This is not the same as cell resonance. Cell resonance is a bit of a misnomer considering the resonance is between the plates much like how a flute works. The air/water(particles) will bounce back and forth between the plates/tubes until it ejects out the exit ports.

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2010, 06:37:30 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw7imAylhcM

Its like a transducer , a very big transducer .

The problem I am trying to solve is the impedance matching of linear amplification to this capacitive load .

I am of the opinion that the alternator method is a good method to use for beginners to experiment with  due to its natural sine wave , the sine wave is the most efficient @ enducing a motion resonance and it is more simple to resolve impedance equations . Problem with an alternator is that it is an inefficient source and is frequency limited , it needs massive amounts of power to run because your passing through lenz law and friction 2 times over when dealing with the electrical motor driving the alternator , so even if you were to reach resonance high production , your power comsumption would make DC still more efficient . So basicly this was designed from the ground up for some sort of hybrid vehicle due to external losses . The qualities of an alternator is that it is easier to match the impedance to a device .

The qualities of linear amplification are efficiency and speed , it can drive nice sine waves for less energy, unfortunately the impedance matching is tricky on a reactive load , we do this with old no feedback methods .

« Last Edit: February 19, 2010, 10:29:01 PM by dankie »

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Offline Artic_Knight

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 10:08:33 PM »
very interesting stuff, but if you use a frequency that makes salt water spontaneously combust that would not be good for under the hood? i mean you would start a fire before reaching the engine!  perhaps a electrical resonance would be better? has anyone played with electrical resonance using the cell as a capacitor?  im currently designing a 555 timer circuit for that purpose.

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 06:03:01 AM »
@ Dankie

I believe I've solved the variable frequency problem using a program called Test Tone Generator.  It allows you to choose sine, square, sawtooth, and triangle, up to I think 20khz.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to amplify the voltage of the speaker signal from the stereo.

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 06:07:38 AM »
Sure! All objects have resonant frequencies relative to there mass and shape, although, some materials and shapes are easier to vibrate. So, to break the glass, it has to be a certain size and shape and material to be easily broken by sound. This is not the same as cell resonance. Cell resonance is a bit of a misnomer considering the resonance is between the plates much like how a flute works. The air/water(particles) will bounce back and forth between the plates/tubes until it ejects out the exit ports.

actually any object that is at its hyperfine plasma wave resonate frequency is the key to the highest efficiency of resonates. not sub frequencies.

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 06:34:09 AM »
Farlander
If you have a car audio amplifier, and a 12v source, this will raise your voltage and have some current handling.
You can set the input sensitivity to a point and control all from the pc.
If it needs to be dc out then a bridge rectifier will be needed.

Mags

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2010, 02:51:32 PM »
Well
 here is a man that definitely has an opinion on resonance.[Giant Killer]

http://www.denver.net/~paul/

Look about 7/10ths of the way down the page for "Alien scientists"
You tube vid on Tacoma bridge.
Freakin amazing comments and observations![Hutchinson/ Philadelphia  experiment etc.......... ]
Chet
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If anyone can paste a "link" of just that Vid I'd appreciate it!
PPS
 Farlander nice to see your still at it[HHO]
You too Dankula!

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 10:12:13 PM »
@ Dankie

I believe I've solved the variable frequency problem using a program called Test Tone Generator.  It allows you to choose sine, square, sawtooth, and triangle, up to I think 20khz.

Now I'm trying to figure out how to amplify the voltage of the speaker signal from the stereo.

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1478

Amplifying is easy , driving this peculiar load will not be easy . The Stephen cell is quite awkward , the inductive parts are in range of BIG speakers but theres also the 68 uF there so it seems like a lowpass @ first glance , the WFC itself is conductive and capacitive , very low capacitance tho , usually under 1 nF per cell for distilled water .

Thats why I believe BJT's cant be used , too prone to what is called in the industry as "second breakdown" and "latch-ups" . Inductive loads cause that usually . Theres also gonna have to be a balance of Feedback for the capacitor , wish adds non-linear impedance to the circuit . Bias tuning will also be required .

Thats why I wont use a current controlled resistor but a voltage controlled resistor . But the amplifier version of these are 5 times more expensive and very few companies make those , wonder why ??

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 03:42:33 AM »
well if the speakers were putting out 5-12 volts perhaps a simple mosfet used to gate a car battery would work? or of course any other source you wanted....  then again perhaps a darlington transistor with the neccessary resistor could be used as well if its going to be sawtooth (so the amps controls gating)

just a thought.

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Re: Frequencies and resonance
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2011, 12:13:23 AM »
Bryce is the man to check out for frequencies. Look at his older stuff first when he was racing boats on hydrogen. There are some references from medical sources too, find them on keely net and rex research.

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