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Author Topic: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works  (Read 25896 times)

harrison73

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 08:05:10 PM »
@mscoffman

not wind, just borrowing the mechanics of the whirligig, just using a crankshaft like deal, so when you start spinning the array of magnets a crankshaft sort of deal times the opposing magnets into each other.
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victore

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 08:56:50 PM »
I believe the V-gate wheel turned the attention of many of us towards OU and magnetics. However, i believe that by simply applying mechanic tricks, this won't generate OU, otherwise it would be working already, or would be patented.

On the other hand, i was thinking about eliminating the mechanical uplifts by applying an electromagnet (coils) around the stator, which would be used only to cancel the stator NEO magnet's field at the gate. 

At slow speeds, of course, the input energy would be certainly higher, because it would take relatively much time to get through the gate... BUT, as the speed increases, you need to cancel the field for shorter and shorter periods.

In other words, one full turn of the V-gate wheel will require less and less input energy as the RPM increases. Theoretically, there could be a point where the input energy is almost 0 per revolution, while the wheel is turning very fast.

Viktor
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Low-Q

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 09:09:55 PM »
Quote from: Rapadura on March 02, 2010, 02:18:41 AM
No way... The force needed to move the stator is minimal...  And it just need to "jump" the sticky spot. After the jump, gravity can be used to make the stator go back to its position during the rest of the rotation. And after the wheel is acelerated, the stator can be put aside and the wheel continues to spin for a while...

I think its a promissing design...
Yes, it is minimal force used to remove the stator, but it is also a minimal force that turns the wheel. It just don't work - also the reason why the sator is allways hand held in such demonstrations.

Vidar
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harrison73

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 09:10:25 PM »
this famous machine happens to use whirligig type mechanics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHVBu77jz4w
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Low-Q

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 09:14:30 PM »
Quote from: victore on March 02, 2010, 08:56:50 PM
I believe the V-gate wheel turned the attention of many of us towards OU and magnetics. However, i believe that by simply applying mechanic tricks, this won't generate OU, otherwise it would be working already, or would be patented.

On the other hand, i was thinking about eliminating the mechanical uplifts by applying an electromagnet (coils) around the stator, which would be used only to cancel the stator NEO magnet's field at the gate. 

At slow speeds, of course, the input energy would be certainly higher, because it would take relatively much time to get through the gate... BUT, as the speed increases, you need to cancel the field for shorter and shorter periods.

In other words, one full turn of the V-gate wheel will require less and less input energy as the RPM increases. Theoretically, there could be a point where the input energy is almost 0 per revolution, while the wheel is turning very fast.
Viktor
This is simply not correct, I'm afraid. The time it spend to open the gate gets shorter at high RPMs, yes you're right, but the number of times per minute or second also increase. So the net input energy will remain the same.

Vidar
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victore

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 09:28:53 PM »
Quote from: Low-Q on March 02, 2010, 09:14:30 PM
This is simply not correct, I'm afraid. The time it spend to open the gate gets shorter at high RPMs, yes you're right, but the number of times per minute or second also increase. So the net input energy will remain the same.

Vidar

Yes, i was also thinking about that, but if you consider only one revolution as a unit of measure of energy output, then the input energy required for 1 revolution will decrease by increasing RPM's.

Viktor
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Low-Q

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 10:20:41 PM »
Quote from: victore on March 02, 2010, 09:28:53 PM
Yes, i was also thinking about that, but if you consider only one revolution as a unit of measure of A output, then the input energy required for 1 revolution will decrease by increasing RPM's.

Viktor
Yes, you're right. However it will not be of any interest.

Vidar
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happyfunball

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 10:30:37 PM »
Quote from: harrison73 on March 02, 2010, 09:10:25 PM
this famous machine happens to use whirligig type mechanics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHVBu77jz4w

Battery powered.
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Rapadura

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 01:09:11 AM »
I still think that the idea of the cam (magnetic or not) may work... I'm anxious to receive my next payment, to start buying the materials I need to try it for myself. I'll ask for help from one old friend of mine that studies mechatronics, and I hope he don't think I'm becoming crazy. I'm sure there's something big with this V gate wheel...  I can't watch this video without thinking that this is really big:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg

The hand of our friend "ardan37" moves very little and gets a great spining from that wheel... I'm sure we can substitute ardans37's hand with something that requires very little energy...
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ramset

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 01:43:10 AM »
Rapa
Have you seen member Erfinders mag motor?
Hope somebody has a link [I lost it in a crash]
you would "love it"
Small softball sized V gate configuration set in a square "poly" block.

Chet
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happyfunball

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 03:00:52 AM »
Quote from: Rapadura on March 03, 2010, 01:09:11 AM
I still think that the idea of the cam (magnetic or not) may work... I'm anxious to receive my next payment, to start buying the materials I need to try it for myself. I'll ask for help from one old friend of mine that studies mechatronics, and I hope he don't think I'm becoming crazy. I'm sure there's something big with this V gate wheel...  I can't watch this video without thinking that this is really big:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux4qfizL0xg

The hand of our friend "ardan37" moves very little and gets a great spining from that wheel... I'm sure we can substitute ardans37's hand with something that requires very little energy...

You can't. Have you seen 'therickoff's' attempt at a mag motor? He took it as far as it can probably go and realized it can't be done. Not with a gate type setup, at least.

 http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRickoff#p/u

Same thing w/ James Roney.
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Rapadura

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2010, 04:32:13 AM »
"TheRickoff" said 2 days ago:

"Thanks for your interest in the project and the videos. Yes, if a moving stator is used, and used well, it entirely avoids any "sticky points," so that there is nothing to overcome. You simply get one acceleration burst after another."

( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTn3qlYJSg )

I agree with him.  If a moving stator is used, and used well, it entirely avoids any "sticky points" .

That's what we need: a moving stator well planed and well used.

V Gate has the potential... Once rotating with high velocity, a cam can easily move the stator properly and maintain the velocity. I know it's too simple, and could have been done in Ancient Greece by Archimedes, but what can we do if it was not until 2010 to get someone to do it...
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happyfunball

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2010, 05:18:17 AM »
Quote from: Rapadura on March 03, 2010, 04:32:13 AM
"TheRickoff" said 2 days ago:

"Thanks for your interest in the project and the videos. Yes, if a moving stator is used, and used well, it entirely avoids any "sticky points," so that there is nothing to overcome. You simply get one acceleration burst after another."

( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTn3qlYJSg )

I agree with him.  If a moving stator is used, and used well, it entirely avoids any "sticky points" .

That's what we need: a moving stator well planed and well used.

V Gate has the potential... Once rotating with high velocity, a cam can easily move the stator properly and maintain the velocity. I know it's too simple, and could have been done in Ancient Greece by Archimedes, but what can we do if it was not until 2010 to get someone to do it...

'Gate' is a deceptive term imho, It should be called a wall. Initial inertia compared to an in-motion device is also deceptive. I think mr Yu is approaching it in the best possible way. We'll see how his device turns out.
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harrison73

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 06:15:57 AM »
am thinking about the potenial of a flywheel with it's weight getting over the hump, in tanduem with a cam or crankshaft...
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happyfunball

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2010, 06:30:22 AM »
Quote from: harrison73 on March 03, 2010, 06:15:57 AM
am thinking about the potenial of a flywheel with it's weight getting over the hump, in tanduem with a cam or crankshaft...

Perhaps the 1001st try will work. Or not...
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