Cookies-law

Cookies help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
http://www.overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please leave this website now. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 82043
  • *Latest: brf69

  • *Total Posts: 494005
  • *Total Topics: 14518
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 6
  • *Guests: 79
  • *Total: 85

Facebook

Author Topic: Building DS Plasma Globe  (Read 37055 times)

Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2010, 05:19:31 PM »
@BW,
I am glad you found that interesting, I have other observations about the caps that you may find curious too.
I figured I would measure the charging and discharging values inside the caps directly before and after discharge.
This is how it looked.The first cap closest to the spark gap; I have discussed before say 5 to 600V, the next cap, would be considerably less in charge say 200V the third would be 25V or so and the last cap closest to the ammeter through the IT and them to ground would have just mv. Upon discharge the bank, first cap as discussed would virtually fully discharge; the next cap would reverse the voltage and start counting backwords until zero and then recharge in a positive manner, the third cap acted similar with less value and the fourth cap would measure indifferent, not necessarily static but near .01 mv stable.

@FatBird,
I will certainly get a shunt for that type of operation if I am able to get this ammeter fixed or find another. What I find on the back of the meter are two big 5/16 fine thread wire adapter studs. They are so massive I never thought of using a tiny wire to feed them.

Is a shunt like, or actually a resistor?

Thanks
h2ocommuter

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2010, 05:19:31 PM »

Offline bw

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 126
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2010, 04:22:19 AM »
thank you for sharing all your findings, caps are cool and bad to the bone at the same time. 
I was surprised to see the 400+ amps reading on the youtube thing.  Sorry about burnout.
go Saints       who dat

Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2010, 06:50:17 PM »
I have been going through the details and considerations about rectifying the circuit. I posted a video that defines my findings roughly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BorxRV0Nk4&feature=email

What I have said is not absolutely correct but as I refine my understanding I will generally change how I describe the operation.

h2ocommuter

Offline sparks

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2533
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2010, 11:06:36 PM »
  Another way to measure lots of current does not use the voltage dropped across the resistor sometimes called a shunt.  It measures the field distortion around the conductor.  Basically a permanent magnet pulling against a spring.  The permanent magnet attempts to align with the magnetic field  disruption around a current carrying conductor.  This is a very non intrusive way to experience current flows.  The magnetic field is going to be warped no matter if the pm is there or not so why not move the magnet while you are at it.  The primary winding is doing work of some sort like lighting a bulb or some other resistance phenomenon or spinning a huge dc electric motor.  The magnetic field disruption is creating a second field from which energy can be drawn.  Just start cycling the primary current flow and the permanent magnets start dancing.  Good way to cycle the flow is have it stop entirely after charging a capacitor.  Then reverse flow as the capacitor is discharged into an inductive load.  Meanwhile the magnets are having a hell of a ride observing all this action. 



Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2010, 12:00:20 AM »
Sparks, I am laughing at myself uncontrollably,
I see the words but I am blind as in pitch black.  I like the presentation it congers up all kinds of pictures but I cannot see it.
Could you make a picture of it, or a video.?
I have a 400A clamp but I cannot get it to take a reliable reading for the life of me.

I tried loading a 12 V squirle cage motor and all it did was blow my LED's in my circuit. if I insert a diode there; I may be able to use it, "the cap charge" the way you are saying.

I am going to do another video showing an 800+ v charge in a 370 v cap as I discharge this you may be able to direct my thinking the correct way to utilize this power..

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2010, 12:00:20 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline sparks

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2533
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2010, 02:04:12 AM »
h20

    This is all doable.  The currents circulating in the capacitor inductor network can be millions of times the currents circulating through the battery input circuit. 

Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2010, 05:40:53 AM »
Thanks A,

This is clearly a cap in a parallel circuit, that being said I have been charging my caps in series.
So I will need to change the configuration around a bit to get it right.
I was under the impression caps only charge when they are in a series configuration. When they are in parallel they go + and - back and forth. is that correct?
I will redesign my brain and see if I can accomplish what you have shown.

Oh! before I get too carried away with this analogy I want to clearly state the protocol of my objective. I do not want disregard anything you or anyone else has to offer, at any time or any place, unless you are a smurf. then I would not care to let you fall off a cliff before I rescued you.

# 1 First of all I would like to learn to pump an enclosed circuit using the plasma globe. I have demonstrated on the utube videos I can build up verifiable amounts of electrical and magnetic matter. 
# 2 I simply want to pulsate this energy through the IT in this closed circuit.  I do not want to harvest this energy by utilizing it to power a bulb, motor, or other device unless it relates to achieving #1
# 3 After achieving #'s 1 and 2, I will search the annuls of time or heaven itself to figure out how to push the water up the hill.
it may be as simple as DS has said.... let the more negative come from the earth to the circuit with use of a veractor on the output side of the IT ground.

Now back to your advice.
As I hopefully understand your drawing correctly; the pm would be positioned at the precise distance to move the weight / needle along its path to its maximum travel and this would be the greatest reading that the shunt/ resistor/ wire would be exciting the pm. thus when the circuit is in operation driving a HF motor , a light , or other device the magnetic effect will be greater or less pulling or pushing on the pm (amperage).
and displaying a calculable difference to the zero position.
If this is absolutely correct I think I've got it.

This tact of mine is probably all incorrect as I think about it.
There is a possibility I am searching for the wrong information.
DS has shown and mentiond umpteen many time he uses an electrostatic voltmeter to determine if these devices are working as designed. Even though I have one, I have not taken any readings lately on my circuit operation. Just thinking out-loud

Thanks Sparks.
Zane

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2010, 05:40:53 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2010, 07:57:41 AM »
I have posted another two video's one showing 800 V cap charges and 1000+V cap charges being charged from the plasma globe.
I have determined one cap is not working like the other three and nearly blew another cap apart, but didn't.

I know I have a very long way to go here but I am satisfied for now.
I just needed to let you know.

I am going to try to learn how to use the parallel configuration to get me back to AC. going through the caps.

h2ocommuter

Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2010, 08:12:20 AM »
I have posted another two video's one showing 800 V cap charges and 1000+V cap charges being charged from the A globe.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l57c4Zlots
I have determined one cap is not working like the other three and nearly blew another cap apart, but didn't.

I know I have a very long way to go here but I am satisfied for now.
I just needed to let you know. untill I can get some much larger caps I cannot try to go any further driving this plasma globe energy into these caps in series.

I am going to try to learn how to use the parallel configuration to get me back to AC. Or said differently, I think this will froce me to go back to A/C

I know Don was manipulating the electricty from AC to DC and bach in some of his devices, again not sure if I need to convert to AC. just yet.
One of his plasma globe pictures suggests yes, and the directions suggest not.

h2ocommuter

Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2010, 02:10:19 AM »
You should remember that you are dealing with an LR circuit driven by an alternating driver source.

There fore, there will be a resonant frequency. You need to run at that frequency.

Question @ Paul,
http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/
This link has to do with resonance of an LC circuit. This calculator will convert all values relating to directions from DS. Proposed directions are in the handbook of electronic tables and formulas. The nomographs...
 As I read up on the LR circuit:
An RL circuit is one that contains only resistors and inductors. The simplest possible RL circuit is the series circuit.
 I am wondering if this is an out of place comment or just how did you propose I understand this information?

I am not being flippant I just want to understand how to apply what you have suggested. On the other hand if this was an attempt to see if I was thinking ... it worked and I appreciate it. Theretoo if this was a ploy to see if I would try to take advice and learn more, that worked too.
Below is a list of measurements needed to accomplish my task using the above mentioned book and calculator in the link. This objective has taken quite a while to validate mathematically the Nomographs in this book. As I cannot do the math longhand.
# 1, The 120 Hz for the IT (This calculation gives me the required Hz to pump the IT with magnetic flux.  Requiring one resistor. This may be an LR circuit.
# 2, the resonant freq. of the plasma globe. with the L-2. This is as accurate as I can get at this point. "22,525 Hz", 
# 3, The HF need to pump the L-2 to accomplish the 240 Volts using the Globe, this will take 1.7 MHz .. The previous two I think would include the capacitors, making it an LCR circuit.

Quote from DS. The Farads and Henrys of the resonant system provide the
resonant frequency when pulsed by an external energy system.
  A system shunt in the resonant circuit sets the containment
level for energy potential.

Don states this as a timing formula T = RC   and    T = L/R   
    T = Frequency   in cycles per second
    C = Capacitance in microfarads
    L = Inductance  in millihenries
    R = Resistance  in Ohms
And this:
           Desired Voltage     
      _________________     = Required Frequency in hertz     
 
 Capacitance in Microfarads

Now, above are many gaps in my knowledge base and structural writing. Instead of trying to fix all of that first may I ask you a theoretical question.
Would you determine the closed and open parts of the plasma globe circuit  as you understand it.
yes it sounds like a test question but simply it is strictly for a conceptual understanding for me.
This will tell me what I am not understanding of your post.

For instance the way I see it the plasma globe itself is a closed circuit.
The crown on top, I call my L-2 connected to my capacitor bank and resistor would be another closed circuit. "LCR".
Third, the IT, the spark gap and resistor would be another closed circuit. "LR".

If I have written the answer and don't understand it, so-be-it no reply necessary.

Thanks Paul
Zane



Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2010, 02:10:19 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2010, 04:55:55 AM »
OK here is the process proposed by DS for my particular IT.

I will explain it in total.
What I am going to ask of the professional EE's is a direction about how to choose the right description for my cap bank values when ordering these parts.

When using this LC calculator, http://www.whatcircuits.com/lc-resonance-frequency-calculator/ the last sentence is precisely the explanation DS had so many times referred to when using freq's above 20K Hz.
With this calculator insert the L and T and it will give you the C value. These Measurements align exactly with the Nomograph in the electronic tables and formulas he suggested to use for setting the timing of your application.

The circuit diagram is from NT as Don said to use it to finish your device.


Using this link you will read the curious question about changing freq. changed by using a resistor, "in so many words". http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/vres.htm
Rheostat
 
This is the simplest way of using a variable resistor. Two terminals are used: one connected to an end of the track, the other to the moveable wiper. Turning the spindle changes the resistance between the two terminals from zero up to the maximum resistance.
Rheostats are often used to vary current, for example to control the brightness of a lamp or the rate at which a capacitor charges. 

Many difficulties occur when trying to incorporate a resistor into a closed circuit as you all  know. what Don has done is by leaving the spark gap in the circuit the closed circuit will not short itself out. thus allowing the magnetic occurrence to flow in the circuit.
 
I do not expect any grief just yet. I on the other hand would like some help choosing the in depth criteria for my capacitor bank.  Expert EE's Wanted!
 
Zane

Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2010, 06:53:17 AM »
I will be more clear with my findings about the variables as stated by DS. I admit I have not figured it out.
Here are three scenarios I want to try.

# 1. 120 CPS = 60 Hz with It = .1352 H shows a 95 ohm resistor giving us a 13 uF cap.

# 2. L-2 =12.55uH with Globe naturally cycles at 22,525 Hz with a 4 uF cap and a 1.9 ohm resistor.

# 3. Required CPS for 240 Volts = 1.7 MHz using the .01255 uH L-2, a .13 ohm resistor and a .07 uF cap

With these variables inserted into the homograph or the previous calculator will show the three tests I want to measure.  This stated, the resistor is emitted.
The capacitor types is where I am having trouble understanding.
Electrolytic, mica, oil filled , paper, omg there are so many choices. I would be wasting my money if I didn't ask.
I can waste my money on testing but not on stupid ignorance.
I have humbled myself can someone help me choose?


Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2010, 07:35:57 PM »
What I have done is using the proposed circuit from DS acquired from NT is, use it for the plasma globe.  Nothing perfect yet. but I have accomplished sending magnetic flux through the IT.
This is preliminary testing; this configuration pumps an unknown DC pulse through the IT. It inductively excites the output side where I have this wired into a circuit breaker box, receptacle, and a normal light bar.  This is all on the test stand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVCOiiehk3A

I have made some observations that may clear some abstract peculiarities up. Although no definitive choice has been made I have chosen to analyze the NT circuit. Here is what I find.

Through many tests; I have concluded that no magnetic readings can be obtained without a spark gap.  As there is more than one type of SG, I have chosen to build both types. (With and without earth grounding). These two SG have micro adjustments so, a myriad of intensities can be obtained. With the earth grounding SG, I use 316 SS because it has nearly no magnetic attraction. I should continue with these advantages. You can vary the gap to where the spark is barely able to jump and this causes less Tesla. Closing the gap will emit more Tesla. Note, The ambient + or - values are not easily readable with my Gauss meter. So at this point I am satisfied with this meter. Furthermore, The freq can be adjusted in the same manner; less didstance faster commute. more distance longer commute.  POW. play on words!
Now the positioning of the SG is pretty important. Being that it is next to the IT. And I should mention that this is an air gap, not a earth grounding SG as pictured. 

As things go , I will hypothesize that using an earth grounding will absorb a certain type of ambient background energy; probably more neg, and the air grounding will absorb the less negative ambient energy.

Offline starcruiser

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 695
    • Starcruiser's Place
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2010, 11:03:27 PM »
@h20,

Let me start out by saying that I watched your vid's and I am impressed, keep at it!

Are those resistor plugs? Thought I would ask since that might skew your results if they are.

A few thoughts to share with you...

Why not use a few pieces of iron bar (round stock) for the electrodes instead? grab some 1/4" or 3/16" stuff from home depot.

Have you thought about adding another coil into the design? the DS design shows a centertapped coil (transformer) just an observation. Plenty of variable to try I am sure. I am trying the replication of DS's design using a tesla coil instead of a NST. I will see how that goes.

Good luck

Offline h2ocommuter

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 100
Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2010, 11:55:14 PM »
@ Starcruser,

I don't feel the need to deviate much from the written directions for the plasma globe.
What I am validating are the initiations DS has put forth in his literature.
NOI, no offence intended, The centertap aircore coil or the centertap neon sign transformer are for other various devices.
The only drawing, video or lit. about a centertapped transformer is the suitcase output transformer. "as far as I can find". I have turned my IT around so I can pump it through the centertap and see if the respective more neg. and less neg. will collect from the respective SG's
The plugs are not resistor plugs, I chose plugs for mounting ease, and longevity. these off the shelf parts, and are virtually indestructible with the pressure I am driving them with. I think.
If I have major problems I will fab what you are suggesting.

I have wound two other coils that seem to work less effective but when I get a circuit working to its optimal I change out the coils to see if another will outperform the one I am using. I have stacked them up working at the same time and the results are there too. So realistically there is plenty of room to find more energy if that is desired.
I can validate 1/2 of the output in Tesla's' DS insisted were emanating from the globe and my meter is hammered. So I am sure this globe will put out 400 mG. Lets remember that equates to 40,000 RMS.
My IT will only accommodate 12,000 RMS max. so I need to hold the ponies back to a small 30 % of the overall possible.

What I am doing again is validating what DS has proposed, are the laws of our universe. Physical unequivocal absolute laws.
This will be the objective if you want to reproduce any of these devices. IMHO.

We not only must find the magnetic resonance but be able to manipulate it at will.

(Any spark gap will build massive !!!! magnetic eminence. This magnetic value is pulsed through the IT and there it is, the pulsing of that magnetic value through the IT in the proper dimensions is all we need. to power the system. )
My conjecture and understanding from what DS has proposed we do.

Zane


Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2010, 11:55:14 PM »

 

Share this topic to your favourite Social and Bookmark site

Please SHARE this topic at: