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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2010, 10:43:24 PM »

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2010, 04:31:21 AM »
Take a look at these. The globe has been discussed. I point out the two circuits interlocked by a transformer which all need to resonate one with another:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4233.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=502.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7837
Paul-R

I stand corrected.  I have been on other forums and  different threads commented there, I stand by starting this thread as a plasma globe research area.
No condemnation meant, I do appreciate your links.  Wings has done some wonderful things with his globe.
I am doing everything to keep abreast of what is and has been discovered about DS work, and the plasma globe in particular.

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2010, 06:01:17 AM »
@Magluvin,
I am pretty much oblivious to the correct nomenclature when it comes to electronics so I will tell you everything I am using so you can decide what I have operating my circuit.
I am using an NTE 125 SI general purpose rectifier 1000V max  50A max and the LED is a 18mcd - 5mm linrose super brite B4304H5, 2.15 Vf @ 20ma

@ FatBird,
The up and down I read on my meter is at the top end of the charged caps. That is to say my plasma globe will not add any more voltage to the high value of the charge therein.
This video is showing how fast the caps are charging with a considerable amount of voltage. 
I tested the amperage on the discharge of these caps today  "under 200 V", and this measurement is well over 300A.
This reading is being picked up using a 400 Ampere analog meter.  I'll send video shortly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCYaFdHQYuI&feature=channel

@ all,
As I am trying to really understand what in the world is going on with All of this magnetic flux jargon, The Static electricity,,, And whatever is actually coming from the L-2 on top the plasmaglobe. and my circuit......
I guess it is not important at this point, being as I really have nothing yet.... but if I get something for the 30 watts my plasma globe uses to run. I hope someone will explain to me how and what my circuit is doing.

Offline innovation_station

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 05:15:34 AM »
pretty kool topic ... 

bet this is a TESLA toy !   

need a pattend? 

lol

is that a blowen bulb will ?  1 wire in the dirt?   lol

lol 

: )

W


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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 05:29:08 AM »
OK,
when trying to get various readings on the amperes during discharge of the caps around 15 joules I took a jolt through my ring finger. this shock felt like A/C the pulsing feeling was there. I did not like that too much so I put it in a J-box and isolated the risk.
By the way using this setup, "with the first circuit"; now called the "A" circuit; the ccw 6 turn L-2, the amperes is 1 1/2 times the voltage stored in the caps. More testing to reduce the amps will continue.

I know at this point I can get the voltage and the amperage to run my 12KVA isolation transformer. the next step will be driving the discharge pulses through the IT. Induction at this point is a no brain-er.

I am going to figure out how to build another circuit that will discharge the caps in a closed system. No need to use it to power anything.  The induction is all that we need to do to the isolation transformer to work. As per Dons' directions.

Clearly defined goals, obtainable objectives. God speed. health and happiness. best wishes....

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 04:38:11 PM »
You should remember that you are dealing with an LR circuit driven by an alternating driver source.

Tegherfore, there will be a resonant frequency. You need to run at that frequency.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 11:35:47 PM »
Paul thanks for the input,
I am only partially confident that the place I am taking the Freq reading is correct, it is around 15.1 khz. Oh, please forgive my arrogance, As we all know many EE, et al professional and experimenters have tried to accomplish what I am with little to no success. I am not too concerned with the resonance just yet. time will tell if that is what I eventually get to.  That being said I am only somewhat competent with testing and parts arraignment.
I really do not have a clue as to what I am really doing with this device.
Sure I am getting results but for me to explain what I have is only by trial and error.
This thing is really getting dangerous. I took another jolt from this thing today I got it on video and oochi wa wa 700 V well over that in amperes.
I will post that video when I get calmed down.......
I changed the circuit and the caps charge two to three times faster.  400V in 10 to 12 sec.

I must put more things together to make it safer and safer..
This thing is starting to get my respect! I have picked up many bad habits handling wires before I made the circuit so now at this stage, I cannot afford to get sloppy....
I must slow down and be conscientious about this being a power supply unit!!!!!!!

Please everyone this is my most sincere direction about this circuit be careful!

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2010, 03:20:16 AM »
Here is the video of the new circuit. it is working ok.
I will try to clean up my act and not get shocked again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rOsELFyZnM


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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2010, 04:01:11 AM »
@ Mags and wilbe,
I am not ignoring you guys I am dumber than both of you guys.
I can't make any sort of light light.
I have done a bunch of looking on utube and the instructables before now and picked up some incites I do not want to try. The one guy on tube had a long list of comments where  I learned a bunch of stuff that will melt a hole in the glass, things like that I do not want to try. just putting your finger on the globe when it is in high resonance will cause it to get warm.
There also is the fact my wife told me I was going to ruin it.
She is funny, I don't abuse it or anything, but she had to say that. Like she wanted to put some gri gri on my project or jinx it. I have to be carefull not to break my PWM plasma globe.

Thanks guys for the input.

The reading I took today before the new circuit design came out like this...
From the L-2 through the circuit;
The time it takes to get voltages of 100, 200, and 300 are as followes;
Bottom of L-2 = 3, 6, and 19 sec.
Top of L-2 = 3, 8, and 22 sec.
I realize I will need to accomplish this at a much faster rate when this thing is pulsing the IT but OK for now.
I will take the readings on the new circuit tomarrow to see if these charging rates are faster.

h2ocommuter

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2010, 02:55:57 PM »
I am not too concerned with the resonance just yet.
Its OK to feel your way in the dark. We all do this. But most stuff to do with Tesla, including Don Smith, needs resonance to get results. The circuit needs to be tuned.

I wonder if you play the guitar? If you have a guitar that is properly in tune, then when you play the lowest 6th string, the highest first string will also sound off. (Best noticed with strings 2,3,4, and 5 damped). If the guitar is not properly tuned, then when the low string is plucked, the top one will be silent.

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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2010, 09:05:31 PM »
Paul Thanks,
I remember my brother doing that guitar thing.
I remember when they were tuning up they would sot of get the strings into a harmonic balance. I do know what you are talking about.
Not to deviate here because I do believe it is important, I do not have the concept of tuning for resonance yet inside a circuit.  Most of the resonance stuff I have read sounds pretty basic as far as taking readings and measurement and then adjusting them all so the "I will say it my way", mechanical reverberations are in an equilibrium or harmonic balance.
I cleaned up my bench and stray hooked up wires and Satetyfied the operation today, after yesterday getting that huge shock it really sobered me up about this operation.
So anyway after that I probed around to find out how far back the HV went in my circuit. and to my surprise it does go all the way into the feed side of the spark gap. This means it is in my circuit also.  This explains why I have blown all but one of my LED's.

Anyway next to revamping the grounding switch for discharging the caps manually I incorporated the isolation transformer. Now when I discharge the caps the IT is pulsed as DS has said. With another analogue light meter set on the two Hot leads on the output side the meter is lit up.  The lights that are lighting up are the 400 hz and others but this is very premature to make any definitions about it except that point DS made about only pulsing the IT for it to work.

I hope you are viewing the videos as this may help communicate what you see I should adjust in my operation.

Now back to the voltage readings at the input side of the SG;
when grounding the caps the voltages are immediately over 300 upon opening the circuit. "My God I need to be careful".
If this was not an anomaly I will show it on the video

Thanks Paul.


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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2010, 09:18:29 PM »
nice work h2oc.  good progress.  Paul is right about resonance,  google "energy sucking antenna"  Try tuning your L2 coil with a resistor to match the frequency of the ball, use the charts from the ARRL to find what resistor you need to hit the target freq.

p.s. keep one hand in your pocket, when you get it right it can kill without warning;  Careful Brother. 


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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2010, 05:17:13 AM »
How sad, I fried my massive 400 VDC ammeter.

I was adding perspectives into my databank Brain and came across some novel realizations about capacitor charging and displacement of voltages inside the bank.
While moving onto other information and adding to the databank I progressed from 3 to 4 caps and down to one cap.
The data was interresting and predictable on some values. others were unpredicted and unforeseen. 
This is what snuck up on my operation. as found before, "more space for the magnetic resonance input", the substance moves more easily into storage. So reducing that storage area requires more time to force it in....
At that point of reduction the discharge is more compact in magnetic value so at much lower voltages 300 % increase in amperes is observed. 50 V = 350 A when discharged. At this point I found letting the voltages go to 75 Volts resulted in the ammeter gauge moving so fast that it was nearly invisible pegging, but then as it was returning to zero the movement would slow enough to reapear about half way back. If you would dare to believe it.   Well That did not sink into my thick skull soon enough.  It seemed impervious to these types of discharges. I looked at this gauge many times during these tests and decided to move on to see how much voltage the unit would charge this certain cap. 800V 20.1 uF This discharge fu fu fried it.
This would have been nice device to use to measure output coming out of the IT.

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2010, 02:42:58 PM »
very interesting findings on cap charge times, thanks for posting.
bw

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Re: Building DS Plasma Globe
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2010, 04:29:45 PM »
@ H2OCommuter,   How sad, I fried my massive 400 VDC ammeter.


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The reason it fried is because the sensitive meter is typically a 50 mV meter (.050 V).  That meter was designed to connect to a High Current all metal Shunt that takes the brunt of the current.  When 400 Amps goes thru the Shunt it produces 50 mV which deflects the meter appropriately.  200 Amps will put out 25 mV to the meter, etc.

The 2 big bolts connect the high current cables and the 2 small screws go to the sensitive meter.  The ends of the Shunt and bolts are Nickel plated Steel & the center part is thick copper plate.

In fact, if you look at your meter real close, you will see 50 mV in very small print.

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« Last Edit: February 07, 2010, 06:27:55 PM by FatBird »

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