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Judges

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Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« on: January 08, 2010, 01:02:16 AM »
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is the Alfvén velocity. If v_A \ll c, then v \approx v_A. On the other hand, when v_A \approx c, then v \approx c. That is, at high field or low density, the velocity of the Alfvén wave approaches the speed of light, and the Alfvén wave becomes an ordinary electromagnetic wave,End Copy.

The Alfvén wave is a lower freq than the cyclotron can make.


Cyclotrons seem to work as big magnetic fly back xfmrs.
Cyclotrons produce a SPIRAL electronic path.
That spiral word pops up ever where I look(vortex???what is a??)

I wonder how many MRI machines,lined up in horizontal row,running parallel,open ended would
it take to influence Earths magnetic field? Millions.

There are a LOT of Teslas of energy used to make the worlds largest magnet,etc,I would think there might be some other uses this magnetic coupled
energy could be applied (besides killing whales),
maybe pushing clouds.dust,smoke around.

Or build instruments to interpret the data as they
did to turn a cyclotron into a MRI.(patent in 1934
for cyclotron)As some one mentioned"it will take years to fully understand the technology that we have at the present"

I have two pole transformers a 14.4kva and a 32kva.Variacs of LARGE size,  giant inductance chokes,Air or Silicone Steel,all the control circuitry used for Tesla coils thru the years.
Capacitor Banks,pulse,and power.

I can make a reasonable plasma 4 inches square from,graphite electrodes,open atmosphere.But
I think I am going to wait for warmer weather.
Dozens of MOT's have yielded me a few klystron tubes.
Thinking about beaming microwaves thru plasma
and try to get a picture with my (old)SONY DSC-P51,Digital still camera.

.Sometime within the next few weeks,this evening,maybe tomorrow.
Texas is having an unusual bitter winter.

As long as I'm sitting here by my heater and drinking a glass of milk,I'll just keep dreaming,I repaired very many crt monitors,I still hve 6-8 stored back (I know their innards)I kept a few 15' tubes for removeing the necks and implanting my own devices,phosphorus can be removed,I can't pull enough vacume to make a Fusor,like Richard Hull,but I can explore gas,frequencies and voltage,
endless variety of filament shapes,no tungsten wire but several rods,1/8' to 1/2'',D.

Plasma has many faces,stringy in plasma globe to brute force Transformer secondary(really the primary,wired backwards)ARC, four inch square,lazy,
almost gentle looking flame,but VERY bright.

Might be easier to put my electrodes in large microwave oven"sweet spot"or maybe NOT a good idea.

Moving an electron beam around on the face of a crt screen is easy,(Unplug Yoke,(all fine copper wire and ferrite)Large 4-5 wire Connector Rd,Black,Yello Green,AWG 16 to 12. from Board) )wire the horiz and vertical to right and left from stereo.The yoke does its magnetic stuff.To the crt.

The RGB guns should be easy to trigger,haven't seen any circuits on this,am sure I could make one.But to what end?Perhaps the permanent vacume pump and secure valves and maybe an accumulator,closed,Gas is cheap enough to rent the Dewar and refill,ONLY if experiment will justify it.(make it worth-while)Tubes used for this must be the ones Without the metal shadow mask,(holes or really small horizontal wires)


Question to those in the KNOW
Is this post getting close to being as long as GB's
(i love it!)"""""Theory of Everything?"""""

Durn,I'm hoping I DON'T hear a loose piece of roof tin in these frigid 40mph gusts?Oh lord,tell me it's not so!

I have only been at this post 4 hours.Somehow it seemed longer.

Schartzniger said "I B BACK

Strange:Lot of you guys from Europe,Germany,France but seem the same as the guy across or down the street.
(I had a monitor/repair friend that lived on an island with around 7,000 population.
He became quite well known.)

Sigh,,,Six hours(but I got that tin C-clamped down for now,long 14' ladder BARELY makes it! upstairs,
to boot!
A heater,dedicated to the feet is a good thing.

This will be posted on moderators approval

Thanks for listening to my rambling chatter.
This forum is the only place I know of that
such postings are put up with (big smile)

The TCML(Putman) list is a depository of all things Tesla Coil related,ONLY,,and I quit making coils when the first SolidStateTeslaCoil,became popular, (SSTC in the community)this one runs on 220 house mains only,became much easier and do-able.
Construction of and hundreds of per-cent SAFER.
SSTC's are geared toward EE's,of which I aint.

More than any of you EVER WANTED to know about Tesla Coil's.

Pretty much any kind of metal can deflect microwaves,correct?
a waveguide can be made from aluminum tubing,correct?I have some WSMR Radar stuff,,,,>waveguide magnesium,
As stated above I have plenty of controlling hardware,Variac's from 10A to 40A,

Microwave transformers can really bite.

direction of microwaves from klython tube??

Gotta go Google and take notes.
Comments/criticism/always welcome.

Joe in Texas

Judges

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Re: Ultra Low Frequency Resonant Radio Receiver
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 08:43:14 AM »
Alas I have been wrong about producing plasma with my current set-up.A sizable(larger tan the one I have) ballast is in need between variac and pole transformer;I am winding one now with 4 taps,roughly 12.5 inches long,wound with square military spec 3cm wire.A telephone pole transformer is center tapped ie:Amps can completely run away into the SEVERAL thousands of amps.At 10kv voltage.I will test again probably by Monday.
God willing.
Goal:
A continuous plasma between carbon electrodes that can run 30 minuets to an hour without strain on control,from household 220 60 cycle source.60 amp breaker.

My original experiment stands:
Shooting (for lack of a better word) at the plasma with24k to 10k microwaves into the plasma.I have found a suitable waveguide from an old radar (WSMR junk pile)Had it for years.
Safety issues:interfacing the klystron with the rectangular wave guide.I will try stainless steel
as the connector.
Welding magnesium to stainless?? I won't know till I try.I have pretty good skill with a stick welder.I have found a secret of holding the welding rod in my bare hand as I weld small,thin,unknown alloy material.If the welding rod becomes over warm,then make adjustment.Also plan to experiment (tomorrow) with possibly using solder flux,probably wont help,but again I experiment a LOT.

Focus of the MW into the plasma,perhaps a  circular magnetic (hallibach?)array between the plasma and the klystron?
Perhaps NOT a circular but instead a rectangular focus magnet.I have one from aforementioned junked radar.
Point is I don't want to spray microwaves into the plasma ,I want a beam.
The 4 inch by 4 inch plasma is a given,I can do this,with no doubts.
What am I trying to prove?
No idea.Comments welcome.

If tomorrow is as spring like as today in central Texas,then the ballast will be finished,and tested.
The wind is 50 turns per layer,5 to 10 (undecided,3  at present)layers,I have plenty wire.,isolated 3/8" between layers. I have a silicone laminate steel core that completely fills the (rounded corners)4 inch square coil.This should hopefully get the plasma production complete . I hope.I have to have a comfortable stable 20,minuet plasma without too much if any electrical stress.

Still enjoying this really GREAT forum.
To.SPARKS:
I FORMALLY APOLOGIZE for hijacking this thread,instead of starting a new one.

If I was sure I could do it I would move these posts to a new subject line,Plasma,Microwave Experiment or some such.

Respectfully to ALL you other posters.
 Joe in Texas

Judges

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 12:41:50 AM »
Moderator if you will remove all the crap above,I will start this thread,with
:Goals,Equipment layout,Plasma Creation Useing Brute strength approach,Plasma as a sheet,with a reasonable lifetime,roughly four inch
flame.square shape (4 by4 inches size),Stable,with 5 minute minimum,will be approached first.

THEN(I hope) a couple of experiments.
But first the Plasma.

Thank You Moderator.
Joe in Texas
added:the ballast being of considerable weight,and the wire for the ballast(winding by hand) the wire being verry thick,although it bends readily enough,is going to take time to wind.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
I have 32,of 3Kv at 1uf,metal rectangular,teletype (military surplus) 6 inch high , 2 inch,thick, 4 inch wide. snubber capacitors,that I hope to incorporate into keeping the Plasma stable.These are connected(currently) in strips of parellell(plus to plus,minus to minus) with
1/2 inch copper tubing pressed flat and holes drilled in ends.

Moderator I have made extensive use of your services.
I intend to pay you back with,some interesting  data.With pictures.
Thank you again.
Joe in Texas

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 12:10:35 AM »
Ballast almost finished.
This square ,AWG 8??,,is a hoss to wind.I have 50-70 foot sections,theses I solder and wind.
Last piece I annealed,,might help a little,,Tomorrow ,,,Test I hope.
I will test the single wire,coil to hold 50 amps,,,hope
the results prove me so.
Joein Texas
tired,,,5 hours,at it today

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 02:23:22 AM »
I consider myself a good welder but,magnesium to stainless steel (for a wave-guide) is a big NOT.

I can melt both metals but they won't mix.
Joe

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 12:49:31 AM »
Ballast Ciol finisged today.
I will test it with a heating element and lightbulb,plugged directly into 120 mains,
The ballast should keep my 40 amp house breaker from tripping,,and I can measure the amps in the ballast.
This is air coil,,,I will test it again with the laminate steel core,,4 inch by 3 inch ,12 inches long.
joe.

sparks

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 02:54:59 AM »
    I produced a nice plasma in a microwave oven.  A drop of water a piece of rusty iron wire in a loop and you can ionize watervapor into a very weird lamp.  Blue white violet no red .  Just the whole oven turns into a 1100watt light bulb.  Very little heat.  Just light.  Only heat was from the ceramic plate used to protect the oven coating.  It cracked upon cooling.

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 08:50:53 AM »
put a matchstick in the microwave, lit

thatl make plasma


ruins ur microwave tho

sparks

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 01:25:08 PM »
  and you produce nitric oxide.  I suppose we could burn the entire atmosphere changing nitrogen and oxygen to its acidic form.  I think it would be better to stick with the water vapor.

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 09:12:44 PM »
Sparks,you and mr_bojanges are so much smarter than me that it aint even funny.

The danger involved with what I am doing is one mistake,death.
Thereby  having to wind a (hopefully) ballast coil,
for a pole transformer running backwards-ie:the 2 ears on top become the secondary.

Thing is boys (I am 64),,,Ihave this garage full of HV stuff,,and when you are retired,you need new interestest,,ideas,,,excitements,,,Capich???
(Mehican for ,,,understand??)

Later on down the river
Joe.
oh:Coil (ballast) 000.1 ohm,,1.5mH on Sencore LC102

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 10:59:07 PM »
"Possible experiments with HV Plasma"

In the interest of keeping things clean here,
I'll just post a link and an idea...

Link - Plasma Speaker:
http://www.youtube.com/user/timetec

Idea:
Plasma for water dissociation for HHO.

If the first can make sound and It's harmonics,
why cant the second be done using plasma sound?

I mean other than HV and water not mixing well...

Perhaps a glass vessel with water passing through
the plasma field making 42-Khz and It's harmonics?

ramset

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 11:33:58 PM »



                                      I like this Joe Guy!!
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                                            Chet

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2010, 08:28:26 AM »
I printed your message CompuTutor,,,,I'll have make some searches and notes,,,,flame speaker has been around a decade or so,,,I don't know the interface,,I will very soon though,,,,modulating a tesla coil is fairly simple and straight forward,,although Q,range is limited,,,,a thought,,,If the power strength (I and E )equal
volume,,,interesting,,, Then,,flame speaker bass and treble range,,would consist of adding subtracting q (frequency)??? I am asking.

I need a email address to send pictures to and then some one who knows what they are doing can post them,,,,on this forum.Plasma is going to be bright,,,sigh,,,controll is EVERYTHING,,,my Powerstat 9.8kva,,model 1296D 40 amp fuse, running by-passed, will not by itself, hold a 2 inch flame,arc, for over 3-5 minuits,,8 AWG square wire electrodes.Then I haven't got around (and hope not to have to) measuring inductance at primary load,,I don't do math unless I really really have to.I go with intuition and then multiply by 2.

Inline with pole pig,manyana will be my finished ballast coil,,,and we shall see what we shall see,,the Powerstat variac has several settings,,,and also I was going to check into power factor from mains,,,If putting a single capacitor parallel inline can help then I am all for it.
I am half way set-up with carbon electrodes,,,but I also have some half inch tungsten two and one half  inches long,,tomorrow will be bare wire, the square awg8.
It still all comes back to handling the amperage thing,we shall see,

Some one mentioned ceramic paint inside the microwave?Then would a ceramic tube make a wave guide?? and what is so important about the rectangular cross section of the waveguide?

MERCY BUCOO
Oh i did discover anti-gravity,,,,that's when my a** leaves the seat of this desk chair,,I was drinking coffee where my wife worked,(many,MANY,years ago),she needed something and called Joeeeee,,,my Buddy said"Look a there old joe's got springs on his butt,,I think I'll call him Springer,,,and he has since.
ah well things to do,,later on fellows
Joe in Texas

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2010, 10:29:25 PM »
Wierdness in ballast coil,,last night I was measuring
10 amps hapilly burning a very dim bulg,I noticed
while measuring that my digital amp meter was giving the same reading six inches away.
This morning my amprobe was dead.9 volts reduced to 3.4 ,,,,,bad.


Things like this are distracting,I should be powered up and flaming,
j.

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Re: Possible experiments with HV Plasma
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 03:03:08 AM »
 January 08, 2010, 01:02:16 AM »

    * Joe Smith started running off at the mouth,,,,,,,,,
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is the Alfvén velocity. If v_A

Copy End: January 29 2010   TODAY

Soapy substance and very long lived water found on carbon from AC current liquid cleaner containing phosphoric,experiment,demands analysis.(carbon is wet and slick after a month of drying in metal building hot weather).

My intention was to remove all foreign substance form liquid that contained phosphoric acid,therby resulting in stronger phosphoric acid

(I found a patent for obtaining higher percentage phosphoric acid,since I had ALL required hardware,I did the formula,but realize now the mistake that must have happened,,
Re-do Experiment
Wrong Conclusion was reached,
I am going to re-do experiment using tungsten electrodes instead of carbon,and obtain samples during boil off,,the liquid turned brown,,I observed tiny BLACK bubbles at the edged of carbon,,liquid became brown from carbon
SO,
I will use some of these one half by one and one half inch  long tungsten electrodes,,,I was after processing down to a phosphoric powder that exploded upon water contact.I will have to purchase a thermometer.
.Fusion on hold:
Joe in Texas