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Offline jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2010, 11:17:18 PM »
Hi Shannon,

This will be very interesting.
Maybe get 3 plants, one for plant" control".

I have heard that electrical charge is what plants get from sunlight and not light and heat as we assume.
It is an experiment I am planning to set up soon, but you can start it too,
Philodendron is a cheap and hardy house pant that can go without much light for quite a while.
If you have the room make 2 of those moss pots as you described, then place the 3rd plant nearby to get the same amount of light and heat.

You can compare water in the soil over time too.
It is very interesting that the water evaporated so quickly.

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2010, 11:46:12 PM »
Enclose it in a terrarium type enclosure or even a clear plastic bag arrangement and it will "rain" and put the moisture back into the soil and none will be lost.

Just a thought.

Bill


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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2010, 01:29:15 PM »
Hi Shannon and Jeanna nice experiments that you're doing. I read in these forums that by putting a copper wire from a collector outside to the soil inside even in the dark;plants still grow.
I will try this too.
I did an Earth battery with to seperate rods in parallel. In the first 3days they gave me about 0.4v at 0.5ma then after a week 0.5v at 1ma and now 0.55v at 2.11ma.
It seems that something is happening and voltage and current are increasing.
Thanks

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2010, 12:18:31 AM »
@guruji,
When you are leaving them outside are they connected?

I have never tried to leave them connected over night. Maybe that is what I need to do??
This is great. You are doing great today!

thank you,

jeanna


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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2010, 09:23:13 AM »
@guruji,
When you are leaving them outside are they connected?

I have never tried to leave them connected over night. Maybe that is what I need to do??
This is great. You are doing great today!

thank you,
jeanna

HI Jeanna if you're reffering to plants I have to try it I told you. If you're reffering to Earth Battery I put two rods in parallel outside in the garden and yes left them connected.
Jeanna even you are doing great today :)
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2010, 09:28:26 PM »
.... I put two rods in parallel outside in the garden and yes left them connected.
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Wow, thanks for that bit of info. I bet this makes a big difference in my EER research.

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2010, 10:10:23 PM »
Hy y'all :-)

   I went to the local hardware store yesterday (Home Depot) and they didn't have much of a selection for indoor plants; not even one variety of philodendron. I'll try a couple other stores nearby.

   You know, I've studied earth living systems in the past such as trees and plants; how they really do aid to the environment. For example, when trees are stressed, they perspire aspirin. See: http://treesandshrubs.about.com/b/2008/09/24/stressed-walnut-trees-produce-aspirin-talk-to-other-plants.htm ... trees communicate in their own way; I bet so do plants :-)

   I've worked with plants outdoors and believe they work better in communities (grouped together). I'd believe they can be used to aid in Earth batteries as the evidence suggests.

   I ran a quick experimented and put the magnesium ribbon and copper in 2 separate pots of dirt without plants (magnesium in one, copper in the other) ... I watered the soil and checked 10 minutes with my meter; there's around 1.36 volts, but no ams :-( I've checked several times throughout the day with no change except the volts change slightly.

   Maybe it's because the soil is separated?

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2010, 10:19:25 PM »
Shannon,
NO amps as in 0.00?
If that is what you are getting it is very likely to be a fuse blown in the amps circuit of your meter.
It takes almost nothing to blow those darn fuses, so I am saying this to you and everybody.

Why don't you leave the 2 wires connected as guruji just described and check later.
(I got some philodendrons from wallmart. They were on sale too. Maybe last years stock. Spiderplants will do ...anything.)

jeanna

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2010, 01:14:29 PM »
Hi Jeanna I would like to explain my setup. One of my A is a piece of aluminium from a tv areal and rapped a coil to it with a cloth in between than put it in soil.
The other the contrary. I took a square pipe from the aerial opened it and put a copper pipe in it rapped in a cloth with a piece of wire steel around it. Another thing I took pieces of fibreglass from a sheet and put them in too. This sounds crazy but when I read on orgone generators I tried these too. In the end I closed everything and put in soil and connected it with the other rod in parallel.
Volts and amps still getting higher ;)
That's all.
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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2010, 03:51:58 PM »
Hi Jeanna,

   Actually, I replaced the fuse in my meter around 2 weeks ago (lent the meter to my brother who blew the fuse). So, I checked the meter after you asked and it's operating normally. It was working normally last night. Tuesday will be the next day I'm available to play with the EER (busy week), so I'll let you know.

   I went to Walmark last night and they had Philo Brazil plants, which are Philodendrons. I bought 4 of them, but didn't have time to repot them. I also bought 4 hanging Coco baskets. The temperature outside has been steady at around 32ºF at night, so I'll need to leave them indoors. I'll work on them ASAP.

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2010, 05:09:16 PM »
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   I ran a quick experimented and put the magnesium ribbon and copper in 2 separate pots of dirt without plants (magnesium in one, copper in the other) ... I watered the soil and checked 10 minutes with my meter; there's around 1.36 volts, but no ams :-( I've checked several times throughout the day with no change except the volts change slightly.

   Maybe it's because the soil is separated?

In my experience If you have the soil separated you will get no milliamps.  The wires need to be in the same body of soil.  Awhile back I made crude a NS coil and did some interesting tests.  When I placed the coil in my creek it generated 100 milliamps.  When I placed it in a plastic bucket containing the same creek water it only produced 50 milliamps.  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8640.0  I wonder what would happen if you grounded your soil pots?

Right now I am in the process of building a very faithful replication of the NS coil.  I found out that it's hard to get soft iron and cotton covered wire.  I have all the parts on order now.  I will post my results here on this forum.

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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2010, 06:01:25 PM »
Hi Lasersabre,

   I also think the 2 wires need to be in the same soil, but will continue testing with the separate pots. I may buy a long coco fiber pot, submerge it in a long/large plastic planter trough and keep it indoors with philos in it.

   I believe the moving creek water is the result of the higher milliamps. It reminds me of Lord Kelvin's Dropper (I REALLY want to test that this Spring) where they theorized expanding the concept and funneling a waterfall through massive coils. Perhaps if you were to put a small water pump or bilge pump in the bucket to cycle the water, the milliamps may increase.

   BTW: I took my (2) 2ft PVC magnesium and copper wire water batteries (12ft of each wire) on Saturday (both wires in the same cell x 2), wired them in series and hooked them to a JT with a secondary; they lit 2 super bright LED's steady for 24 hours (1 LED on the primary; 1 on the secondary), but began pulsating rapidly after 24hrs (Sunday evening). This morning, they were still pulsating at the same rate with no apparent slow-down. The JT is the same basic one created at the URL shown below (same sized toroid), but I wound the primary half way around the toroid and the secondary a smaller gauge wire around 30 times. When I added a second LED to the secondary, it cancelled out the first LED on the secondary, but the primary LED remained on. Both LEDs were rapidly flickering this morning.

The JT I'm using, except with a secondary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAqGKt64WM

Shannon


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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2010, 06:11:01 PM »
It is interesting to have some definitive answers on these things
Same pot.
Keep the wires connected to enhance rather than drain...etc.

Right now I am in the process of building a very faithful replication of the NS coil.  I found out that it's hard to get soft iron and cotton covered wire.  I have all the parts on order now.  I will post my results here on this forum.
Be careful!!
When we researched those places selling cotton covered wire, we found that the wire was enameled wire and not at all bare copper. This will waste a lot of time if you make this and find non bare copper wire deep in your NS coil!!!

I love what all you fresh experimenters are doing. This is going somewhere.
Don't you agree, Bill?

jeanna

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The JT is the same basic one created at the URL shown below (same sized toroid), but I wound the primary half way around the toroid and the secondary a smaller gauge wire around 30 times. When I added a second LED to the secondary, it cancelled out the first LED on the secondary, but the primary LED remained on. Both LEDs were rapidly flickering this
If the led goes out when you add a second one in series it means you have about 7-10v spikes on your secondary.
This is very good information.
30T giving you 7-10v might just mean the frequency is very very high, like MHz (which it is).

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« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2010, 07:31:55 PM »
Jeanna:

I totally agree.  The more folks we have that are building and experimenting, the more results we will see, both on what to do, and what not to do. (equally important in my view)

You have always asked folks to post stuff that didn't work out like they thought so that others could learn from that.  I still think this is a very good idea.

I am glad you pointed that out to Lasersaber about the cotton covered wire.  Some of the wire like that I looked into had a teflon liner between the cotton and the wire.  Maybe someone will find a source of true cotton insulated wire very close to what they used to use in NS's day.  That would really open thing up for us.

I am still considering contacting a factory that makes shoelaces for tennis shoes.  All of my laces are actually cotton tubes that have been ironed flat.  If we could get a good sized roll of this (I am sure they make it in long tubes) it would still be a lot easier to insert our wire into the tubes as opposed to wrapping it or using string like I did.  If I am right about this, it should be pretty economical...well... hopefully.

Bill


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Re: EER Joule Thief using an earth battery to start a joule thief.
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2010, 07:59:48 PM »
Hi Bill,
They do. I used to buy shoelace by the 2kyard roll. It is cheap too, but remember, it still has to be loaded onto the wire.
If you sew it around the wire it will be secure and you only need to do a yard at a time.
I really don't think there is an easy way..
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@all,

I wanted to correct a mix-up I made.
It turned out well, so that is great.

I was thinking about 2 series EER's in 2 pots when I suggested one in each.
I am glad I suggested it because it is a good control.

But it certainly makes sense that nothing happens.

jeanna

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