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Author Topic: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit  (Read 55141 times)

Offline Turbo

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2014, 07:39:57 PM »
If you pay attention you can see in the video description that the effect has been replicated and confirmed by other experimenters using different configurations and methodes please try it before you draw any conclusions to judge or dismiss something that you have not tried yourself is the highest form of ignorance.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2014, 07:39:57 PM »

Offline tim123

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2014, 07:56:45 PM »
If you pay attention ...

It's ok Turbo, If you read what I wrote, you will see that I didn't dismiss, draw conclusions, or judge...

BTW - All your vids seem to have gone from your channel... I just looked - is it just me?

I think I will try the experiment... Can I just ask you a few questions:

 1) Did you drive the coil with your audio amplifier and a signal generator?
 2) The coil was toroidal right? So should emit minimum external flux...
 3) The 2 ring magnets were placed on a mild-steel base - Correct?

Anything else I should know?

Regards, Tim

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2014, 08:20:34 PM »
I just found the original(?) of the magnet spinning at 7.8hz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU

The very first comment (and it wasn't me!)

"Anyway this might be Shumann resonance, but far more likely it is just the mechanical resonance of the system which is based on the strength on the magnetic field and the sizes of the magnets happening to sit at about 7.8 hz."

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2014, 10:45:36 PM »
A 10 milliHenry inductor and a 41500 microFarad capacitor stack, placed in parallel, will make a tank circuit that will resonate at 7.8126 Hz. 

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2014, 05:03:18 AM »
The second half of the quoted YouTube comment is correct.  The clip is showing a mechanical resonance that just happens to be about the same frequency as the Schumann resonance.  The Schumann resonance is over hyped.  I am not aware of any useful applications that take advantage of it's existence.  It's like being in an underground echo chamber.  It sits there passively and will only respond if you stimulate it with a source of sound waves.

That's in contrast to the reflective layer of the ionosphere as a whole.  The classic example is radio communications that are assisted by bouncing their transmissions off of the ionosphere.  Also, when there are a lot of charged particles streaming into the magnetic poles from solar activity they create new temporary mirrors shooting up from the poles.  Ham radio operators try to take advantage of the situation.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2014, 05:03:18 AM »
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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2014, 05:34:53 AM »
In order to utilize something that has a very low wavelength one needs an electrically very large structure.  It has happened by accident infrequently and caused a lot of trouble.  But if proper precautions could be taken then something like transcontinental transmission lines might be manipulated to advantage.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2014, 07:34:32 AM »
I just found the original(?) of the magnet spinning at 7.8hz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU

The very first comment (and it wasn't me!)

"Anyway this might be Shumann resonance, but far more likely

To judge or dismiss something that you have not tried yourself, or to blindly believe others is the highest form of ignorance.
And it's not the original vid the original one i uploaded to google video.
I am sorry that i do not take the time to answer your questions, this is due to my belief that you have already made up your mind and this is the incorrect approach.


The YouTube comment is correct.
I am not aware


To judge or dismiss something that you have not tried yourself, or to blindly believe what others say, is the highest form of ignorance.
This effect has been replicated by several people using different setup and methodes.

And it seems that people are completely missing the eleph... i mean poynt.
Well exept for Mr. Chet that is.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2014, 07:34:32 AM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2014, 01:41:22 PM »
Turbo:

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To judge or dismiss something that you have not tried yourself, or to blindly believe what others say, is the highest form of ignorance.
This effect has been replicated by several people using different setup and methodes.

I think there is great irony in your statement.  I looked at the clip of the wobbling magnets and I know that it has nothing to do with the Schumann resonance.  I do not have to try it myself, the clip is clearly showing the wobbling behaviour of the magnets and I have no doubt if I did the same experiment I would observe the same thing.  I am not blindly believing anybody, my comments come from myself only.  I am not the least bit surprised that the effect has been replicated by several people.

The problem lies in observing the phenomenon and then just blindly attributing it to the Schumann resonance.  What evidence is there for this statement?  That the frequencies are the same?  That's not evidence, that's just a coincidence.

You are the one that is apparently blindly believing that the effect has something to do with the Schumann resonance because that's what others say.  Apparently the fact that it has been replicated by others reinforces your belief.

Loot at what the clip is showing you:  It's a basic LC resonator where the spring is the magnetic field attraction and the mass is the mass of the wobbling magnet.  It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to to with the passive electromagnetic resonance cavity of the Earth.  Don't blindly believe that it does just because other people are telling you that.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2014, 02:58:26 PM »
Yep. The fact that a mechanical resonance is stimulated by a 7.8 Hz signal is just a coincidence. The really interesting thing about that video is that the pulsations are being transferred to the magnets by a "core effect" toroidally wound coil. Recall that such a coil has very little leakage of the actual B field produced by the coil; it's all trapped inside the toroid. What happens when it is energised is that the core is driven into magnetic saturation, which _reduces_ the pull experienced from the external ring magnet. When the current is removed from the core-effect coil, the attraction is restored! And the polarity of the current is relatively unimportant. This seems exactly backwards from traditional electromagnet behaviour, and it is. The core effect needs more exploration as an energy transfer phenomenon, and can be used to make really neat pulse motors (Steorn's eOrbos from the Waterways demonstration, for example.)

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2014, 03:01:37 PM »
To judge or dismiss something that you have not tried yourself, or to blindly believe others is the highest form of ignorance.

That's three times you've said that.

A wise man once told me: "You can only judge yourself".

Or, in other words: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things." (Romans 2:1)

It makes it really easy to know what people are really like - you just wait til they tell you what they think of you...

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2014, 03:01:37 PM »
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Offline tim123

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2014, 03:06:15 PM »
..The really interesting thing about that video is that ... seems exactly backwards from traditional electromagnet behaviour, and it is.

Thanks for pointing that out TK :)

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2014, 04:26:13 PM »
Tim123
To have predjudice with out examination is always a poor path..........
 
 However Being a rather poor man myself as well as having commitments that I should be paying more attention to [Not so much OU commitments ,I make things for handicapped Children and their families to increase their quality of life. I get distracted too easily with this much bigger picture of OU and what It would do for this planet.]
 
So My time is small and it seems my path some what chosen
and I understand this could also be aproblem for you Too [the time and money commitment]
 
I will support you any way I can in this endeavor ,if you could ask Stephan for Moderator Priviledges to keep off topic or posts distracting from the replications off the page.
I will commit towards financially subsidising your build to the best of my ability.
 
Thx
Chet
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I am sending you a  contact .

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2014, 04:59:10 PM »
That's three times you've said that.

A wise man once told me: "You can only judge yourself".

Or, in other words: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things." (Romans 2:1)

It makes it really easy to know what people are really like - you just wait til they tell you what they think of you...

Nowhere and no one i am judging.
I am pointing out to the FACT that one should not draw conclusions based on what they THINK or what OTHER people say, and take that for granted blindly, and, that if one wants to know the truth they will have to find it themselves it is the only way.
Besides that, you are totally missing the important points i conveyed in this and other threads.
That is, like Chet pointed out,  indeed a very big elephant in the room.
If you do not understand this then i think you do not understand what judgment actually means.
In this world, words are of no value, but repeatble tests and comparison of their results are.
It is that simple.
So unless you want to share test results, i do not value you input it is easy to say look at this link look at what he says but no.
Like i said, If you really want to know and discover things that is the wrong approach.

It is either find out or shut up.
I have a ton of very real data to share but it is impossible to share it with somebody who is only talking and who has got his mind made up.
I am looking for people with an open mind to share results with so we can proceed in improving the technology and those people are hard to find.

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2014, 05:06:58 PM »
Turbo:

I looked at the clip and I know

MileHigh

Bravo ! that's the way to go...

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2014, 05:23:44 PM »
Nowhere and no one i am judging...

But you are. I'm only going to show you this once. It's *your* responsibility to pay attention, and be a decent human being:

I said quite clearly that I was not sure:

...I'm not 100% convinced that it's showing evidence of the Schumann resonance - rather than the mechanical resonance of the arrangement... Maybe it is, I'm not sure... Maybe I'll try it myself - it is the only way forward ;)

You said:

To judge or dismiss something that you have not tried yourself, or to blindly believe others is the highest form of ignorance.

I am sorry that i do not take the time to answer your questions, this is due to my belief that you have already made up your mind...

You bizarrely decided that I had 'made up my mind' - when I had just stated that I had not.

It is obviously a judgement - because it's not true. If it's not true of me - then you must be judging yourself - there is no other possibility.

Anyway - let's get on with the technical matter at hand... Can you think of any way to change the experiment to eliminate the chance of mechanical resonance?

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Re: 7.8 Hertz Resonant Circuit
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