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Author Topic: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev  (Read 141564 times)

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2011, 02:37:24 PM »
You are relying on quotations because you obviously are uncertain about the real meaning of ad hominem. Ad hominem may not always be a direct abuse using expletives and such but can be subtle, especially when the person using ad hominem is passive aggressive as in the case at hand. Giving a link containing unfavorable characterization instead of direct abuse is not less of ad hominem than slapping direct curses and abusive language. Lack of sensitivity to that subtlety is something the passive aggressive likes to rely on and falling in this trap is easy. Go ahead, confirm further you've fallen there too.

Also, you again are not addressing the real issue and in this way you continue to assist in destroying the forum.
i am quite certain of the definition, one needs only to look at your posts to see that you are obviously not cognizant of the definition. which is why i posted the quotation and the link... the quotation and link i gave contain the definition of ad hominem... ::) and your arbitrary definition is just that, arbitrary. please take note of the final and emphasized paragraph of my previous post omni.

as i said before, i was just nipping your incompetence in the bud as per your request...

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2011, 02:37:24 PM »

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2011, 02:54:38 PM »
Did you really? Or you just think you did by providing frivolous definitions.

And, again, not addressing the real issue (the inability of Hamilton's equations to account for CoE), running around and trying to grasp at straws only proves your weakness of arguments. The desire to continue this irrelevant objection to the obvious ad hominem attack directed at me thus siding with someone destroying the forum makes you a destroyer of the forum too.

To demonstrate how ridiculous it is to rely on internet links and not on real analysis to prove a point one can use those same Hamilton's equations. You can point me to innumerable links in the net claiming the sure adequacy of Hamilton's equations, firmly established as the very essence of classical mechanics. And, yet, I've shown they are inadequate description of motion and are at odds with CoE. So much for providing links to prove me wrong. Think with your own head, give your own arguments, don't do it the lazy way, with links.

Now, of course, you can't say anything about that issue and the lazy thing to do, being incapable to understand the real problem, is to side with someone's passive aggressive attacks used to conceal his incompetence. You may not realize that, but, again, that someone in question is destroying the forum and in siding with him, even unwittingly, you contribute to that destruction.


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2011, 03:00:28 PM »
Did you really? Or you just think you did by providing frivolous definitions.

And, again, not addressing the real issue (the inability of Hamilton's equations to account for CoE), running around and trying to grasp at straws only proves your weakness of arguments. The desire to continue this irrelevant objection to the obvious ad hominem attack directed at me thus siding with someone destroying the forum makes you a destroyer of the forum too.

To demonstrate how ridiculous it is to rely on internet links and not on real analysis to prove a point one can use those same Hamilton's equations. You can point me to innumerable links in the net claiming the sure adequacy of Hamilton's equations, firmly established as the very essence of classical mechanics. And, yet, I've shown they are inadequate description of motion and are at odds with CoE. So much for providing links to prove me wrong. Yhink with your own head, give your own arguments, don't do it the lazy way, with links.

Now, of course, you can't say anything abot that issue and the lazy thing to do, being incapable to understand the real problem, is to side with someone's passive aggressive attacks used to conceal his incompetence. You may not realize that, but that someone in question is destroying the forum and in siding with him, even unwittingly, you contribute to that destruction.
let me make this clear omni, since you can't seem to comprehend it. i don't give a rats ass about hamilton. i posted regarding your erroneous claims about what an ad hominem is. you said, and i quote:
Ad hominem attack is to start posting irrelevant links in response to criticism for incompetence.
this is was, and still is, incorrect. and spouting off incorrect statements is incompetent. i corrected you, as nipping your incompetence in the bud as per your request is the only issue at hand here for me. your latest reply is simply another of your logical fallacies, this time a red herring.

as i said earlier, do yourself (and us) a favor and don't get all pretentious about things (logic) you are ignorant of.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2011, 03:03:22 PM »
This Forum Is indistructable!
Bullet proof!
Years and years of this type of stuff has given it very strong muscles!

Chet


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2011, 03:17:14 PM »
You're confirming exactly the point I made -- you "don't give a rat's ass about hamilton". And you should. Because that's the issue.

As to whether or not you ignore the real meaning of ad hominem, as you do, that's secondary. I disagree that something written in a random link can serve as a set-in-stone definition of ad hominem, you take it as the Gospel. It's your choice but keep it for your own use, don't impose it on others. I should nip in the bud this desire of yours to impose frivolous definitions you've adopted as the Gospel to be shoved down the throat of others.

In science, however, logic is merciless and there cannot be dubiousness about notions such as Hamilton's equations. There cannot be varying opinions about what they are about and what they really show. Do you get the difference? Now, I know that because of your weakness in the scientific issues you're reluctant to address them directly and are trying to sway the discussion into the grey areas of somewhat more amorphous notions prone to interpretations. That's, of course, intellectual dishonesty in a discussion such as this and that is also a destructive behavior.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2011, 03:17:14 PM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2011, 03:30:24 PM »
You're confirming exactly the point I made -- you "don't give a rat's ass about hamilton". And you should. Because that's the issue.
no i am confirming no such thing. and no i shouldn't. and no that IS NOT the issue i have with you as i have stated repeatedly. it may be the issue between you and someone else, but not me. once again since you can't seem to comprehend, you said, and i quote:
Ad hominem attack is to start posting irrelevant links in response to criticism for incompetence.
this was, and still is, incorrect. had you simply said "accusing me of projection is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem", you would have been correct... but you didn't say that, so you are incorrect... capiche?

As to whether or not you ignore the real meaning of ad hominem, as you do, that's secondary. I disagree that something written in a random link can serve as a set-in-stone definition of ad hominem, you take it as the Gospel. It's your choice but keep it for your own use, don't impose it on others. I should nip in the bud this desire of yours to impose frivolous definitions you've adopted as the Gospel to be shoved down the throat of others.
i'll ignore the fallacies in your statement and simply request that you post "the real meaning of ad hominem" for us less enlightened ones... ::) furthermore, if you think the definition the whole world adheres to is frivolous, define how and why... ::)

In science, however, logic is merciless and there cannot be dubiousness about notions such as Hamilton's equations. There cannot be varying opinions about what they are about and what they really show. Do you get the difference? Now, I know that because of your weakness in the scientific issues you're reluctant to address them directly and are trying to sway the discussion into the grey areas of somewhat more amorphous notions prone to interpretations. That's, of course, intellectual dishonesty in a discussion such as this and that is also a destructive behavior.
denied. logical fallacy known as a red herring. you and i are not debating hamilton's equations. in point of fact, i have not brought up hamilton whatsoever other than to explain his irrelevance to this argument you and i are having. your continued attempts to bring him into this argument is just more logical fallacy from you and smacks of intellectual dishonesty.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2011, 03:35:59 PM »
HHMMMmmmmmmm................
This one is very hard to score?
Chet

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2011, 03:35:59 PM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2011, 03:40:50 PM »
HHMMMmmmmmmm................
This one is very hard to score?
Chet
LMFAO!!!!
are you serious chet? ::) omni couldn't even debate a 5th grader effectively...

he would still be posting "spam" as a response to every post he disagreed with had harti not warned him...

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2011, 03:55:36 PM »
Well ,
You do have him on very soft ground!
"ad hominem"

Chet

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2011, 03:58:09 PM »
LMFAO!!!!
are you serious chet? ::) omni couldn't even debate a 5th grader effectively...

he would still be posting "spam" as a response to every post he disagreed with had harti not warned him...

That is self-flattering, isn't it? Not the most modest thing to do, I guess.

The real problem, however, is that, as I said, you try to divert the real issue by creating some kind of non-existing issue between me and you, based on something that is a subject to interpretations. You hold on to one of the possible interpretations as the Gospel and try to impose it as the ultimate definition, especially allowing for ad hominem not always to be a fallacy. But it is, as I already explained earlier. Any form and nuance of ad hominem is a fallacy, despite what you think your frivolous definition says.

As for the real issue -- the Hamilton's equations -- equations which are obviously over your head, there's no room for interpretations there. That's the beauty of having a discussion with numbered equations. There's no leeway. And, because of that, dishonesty in a discussion is recognized at once, let alone incompetence, as in the case at hand.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2011, 03:58:09 PM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2011, 04:28:21 PM »
That is self-flattering, isn't it? Not the most modest thing to do, I guess.

The real problem, however, is that, as I said, you try to divert the real issue by creating some kind of non-existing issue between me and you, based on something that is a subject to interpretations. You hold on to one of the possible interpretations as the Gospel and try to impose it as the ultimate definition, especially allowing for ad hominem not always to be a fallacy. But it is, as I already explained earlier. Any form and nuance of ad hominem is a fallacy, despite what you think your frivolous definition says.

As for the real issue -- the Hamilton's equations -- equations which are obviously over your head, there's no room for interpretations there. That's the beauty of having a discussion with numbered equations. There's no leeway. And, because of that, dishonesty in a discussion is recognized at once, let alone incompetence, as in the case at hand.
well, you are known to guess a lot... ::)

there is no "issue" between us omni... ::) you said, and i quote:
Ad hominem attack is to start posting irrelevant links in response to criticism for incompetence.
this was, and still is, incorrect. had you simply said "accusing me of projection is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem", you would have been correct... but you didn't say that, so you were incorrect... and still are. capiche?

hamilton's equations are not the topic of the debate between you and i. please cease with repeating this red herring over and over. the incompetence is yours... not even knowing what an ad hominem is.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
"The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made). "

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/ad-hominem/
"It is important to note that the label “ad hominem” is ambiguous, and that not every kind of ad hominem argument is fallacious."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
"The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy,[2] but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.[3]"

i'll repeat my request that you post "the real meaning of ad hominem" for us less enlightened ones since you conveniently omitted that from your reply... ::) furthermore, if you think the definition the whole world adheres to is frivolous and expect us to adhere to the 'omni definition', you will need to define how and why the existing definition is incorrect... as well as actually providing us with your definition. ::)

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2011, 04:40:43 PM »
W.
Quote:[of a quote]
"It is important to note that the label “ad hominem” is ambiguous, and that not every kind of ad hominem argument is fallacious."
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Your bein Mean W
Stop pickin on The Buss ,Or I'll come over there and Poke you right in your  AdhomiNOSE.

Chetty


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2011, 04:45:30 PM »
W.
Quote:[of a quote]
"It is important to note that the label “ad hominem” is ambiguous, and that not every kind of ad hominem argument is fallacious."
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Your bein Mean W
Stop pickin on The Buss ,Or I'll come over there and Poke you right in your  AdhomiNOSE.

Chetty
i'm not picking on the bus... ::) i'm nipping his incompetence in the bud. ohhh chetty, i'm shaking. ;) you know that's a logical fallacy don't you? argumentum ad baculum or appeal to force or fear. ;)

@all, here is another of omni favorite logical fallacy tactics:

Argumentum ad nauseam

"This is the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true, or is more likely to be accepted as true, the more often it is heard. So an Argumentum ad Nauseam is one that employs constant repetition in asserting something; saying the same thing over and over again until you're sick of hearing it."

like his "spam" replies... or his "you're incompetent" replies... or his "don't post gibberish" replies... etc, ad nauseam... ;)

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2011, 05:04:19 PM »
The area of OU, being disliked by the powers that be, to put it mildly, is infested with agents, zealous activists and plain stupid people and paying attention to each and every irrelevant post they broadcast is a waste of time. Therefore, when spotting such elements the recourse is to signify it by just stating the obvious, namely, that they should not clog the thread with gibberish. Otherwise, you'll fall into playing their game getting into a regime of infinite explanations leading to nowhere. That's exactly what they want. So, cut them out and move on. Now, I paid a little more attention to you because I've seen some sensible posts by you in the past. You, however, lost the current argument and it's time to concede because there are really important things to discuss and further spending time on a lost argument is clearly a waste.


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2011, 05:11:41 PM »
The area of OU, being disliked by the powers that be, to put it mildly, is infested with agents, zealous activists and plain stupid people and paying attention to each and every irrelevant post they broadcast is a waste of time. Therefore, when spotting such elements the recourse is to signify it by just stating the obvious, namely, that they should not clog the thread with gibberish. Otherwise, you'll fall into playing their game getting into a regime of infinite explanations leading to nowhere. That's exactly what they want. So, cut them out and move on. Now, I paid a little more attention to you because I've seen some sensible posts by you in the past. You, however, lost the current argument and it's time to concede because there are really important things to discuss and further spending time on a lost argument is clearly a waste.
i've lost nothing other than my precious time trying to explain logical fallacies to you... ::) furthermore, i've repeatedly pointed out your error, to which you have provided no cogent rebuttal. in point of fact, the record shows you trying to divert the discussion of your error by use of logical fallacies (red herring, strawman, etc.). it's time you concede you were in error and move on. hopefully you can refrain from using fallacies as your response in the future, but to be quite honest, i doubt it.

i'll repeat my request that you post "the real meaning of ad hominem" for us less enlightened ones since you conveniently omitted that from your reply... AGAIN. ::) furthermore, if you think the definition the whole world adheres to is frivolous and expect us to adhere to the 'omni definition', you will need to define how and why the existing definition is incorrect... as well as actually providing us with your definition. ::)

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
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