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Author Topic: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev  (Read 141563 times)

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 10:40:28 PM »
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-The motors are used to create a permanently  unbalanced state of the system.

This is another way of saying that you're using external energy to create unbalanced state of the system. Such system is not OU. The permanent unbalanced state of the system, causing the wheel to spin, has to be created by the construction itself without spending of any external energy.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2010, 11:38:28 AM »
This is another way of saying that you're using external energy to create unbalanced state of the system. Such system is not OU. The permanent unbalanced state of the system, causing the wheel to spin, has to be created by the construction itself without spending of any external energy.
Is the gravitational  force is not an external force relative to the device? Or magnetic force  (in devices that use magnetic force)? Or electric ...
Any device can not operate without an external force. Even a car with a gasoline engine will not run in the absence of friction, for example.
Another issue is the ratio of energy output (P out) to the energy expended
 (P in). If this ratio is more than 1, this device is certainly consistent with OU.


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2010, 01:20:50 PM »
Gravitational, magnetic and electric forces are external to the device but they are forces, not energy. A running device needs to spend energy, not force. Energy can be produced from force only if there are conditions for this force to cause spontaneous displacement. Spending external energy to give motors so that force of gravity  can cause displacement doesn't make that displacement spontaneous -- external energy has been spent for that displacement to occur. That's not an OU machine.

Further, it isn't at all obvious that expended energy is less than the putput energy in the device shown. Experimental data are needed to prove such claim and there are none for this device.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2010, 03:02:58 PM »
Let me remind you that any amplifier with k>> 1 can easily be transformed into a generator at the expense of positive feedback.
Experimental data for this device are available and are shown in the chart here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgKVnch4pdg
In principle, you can get any output power of a large quantity at any low input power. This should be done via summation of the input actions in  the system with a large number of elements . These conditions are provided with design features of the device in question. As example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ_yR_-VMRc

Similarly, even the ants can (hypothetically) to raise the  weight of several tons, accumulating counterbalance weight on one grain of sand. My hypothesis construction of the pyramids without using a powerful technique here:
http://mikhaildmitriev.com/piramid/
Please use Google translator.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2010, 03:35:16 PM by dmfed »


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2010, 03:10:50 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgKVnch4pdg

The above device will only make sense as an OU device if it turns without spending external energy.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 04:17:41 PM »
Okay. Used to start a car battery is an external or internal source of energy? Perhaps it is permissible to use in OU device?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndlgNkTz_5g
After acceleration to rated speed, amplifier is switched to the generator  mode and it uses part of the output energy to maintain the nonequilibrium state of the system. The battery in this mode is not used.
So you agree this it would be OU device?

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 06:35:08 PM »
Yes, in such a case it would be an OU device. Is that what's going on with the device in your video?

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 08:29:58 PM »
Yes, in such a case it would be an OU device. Is that what's going on with the device in your video?
Switching  into the generator mode is possible when the number of elements (spokes, overrunning clutches, weigth ) is  32 and more  as shown here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ_yR_-VMRc
This is done. Also verified the possibility of NdFeB magnets for straightening and for folding of spokes with weight. It works effectively.
I believe that my YouTube channel containing 16 videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/MikhailDmitriyev?feature=mhw4 # p / u
gives full information for anyone wishing to make such a device yourself.
For those who can not or wish not do it yourself exist suitable method for purchasing a detailed description with  the calculations, photos and videos. Wait in  the markets soon.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 08:36:37 PM »
What market? Why should anyone buy something based on bogus claims? Claims remain bogus until they are verified by third parties. This seems just another attempt to extract money from gullible people in a series of such recent and not so recent attempts.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 09:18:20 PM »
What are you talking about?
 Ready-to-use devices manufactured industrially will be sold in markets also. If it does not work no one will buy it.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2010, 10:10:51 PM »
What are you talking about?
 Ready-to-use devices manufactured industrially will be sold in markets also. If it does not work no one will buy it.


Dream on. This and other forums have heard plenty of these lies and hoaxes. Before you prove the validity of your claim it should be considered nothing but a lie. There are established procedures for proving the validity of a claim such as this and you shouldn't think you're the smartest to bypass them. The are fools in this world but not just anybody is a fool.

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2010, 09:38:34 AM »
This is not a dream, this is a reality.
All  procedures that you mentioned I have  realised, they already passed  and  done :
- the working model exist;
- the patent  received;
- information is freely available to all comers.


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 10:06:17 AM »
The are fools in this world but not just anybody is a fool.
People are not fools. They are  just  misled by the existing representations about  the structure of the universe and, theories of gravitation in particular.
I have my own ideas about these subjects. They help me to find unconventional solutions.
Look at one of my articles (in English) on this subject:
http://mikhaildmitriev.com/papers/paper5.doc

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2010, 12:31:37 PM »
Never mind.


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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 12:25:17 PM »
To put the point in this thread need to answer just one question:
-what is a ratio of energy consumption in the two following cases?
1) Moves mass m with acceleration a.
2) Moves mass m/32 with the same acceleration a.
I believe that in the second case required  energy is 32 times less.
Converse statement would look absurd, even for primary school children.
The key to overunity is the quantization of space-time system parameters (mass and action in particular) and subsequent integration (summation) of the result.

Thank you All for your interest in this topic.
Anyone can build this device for personal use.
I wish you success.

Mikhail Dmitriev

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Re: Gravity wheel of Mikhail Dmitriyev
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