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Author Topic: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits  (Read 294492 times)

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2009, 08:57:21 PM »
@broli,

I see what you mean. It was my goal to use as few parts as possible
to keep the circuit KISS. If you want to stop the JT from charging
when the super caps is full then just add a NPN transistor at the base
of the 2N2222. The NPN transistor can be biased from the super cap
voltage so that the 2N2222 base will be brought to ground when the
super cap reach 2,6 Volt. This will stop the JT oscillation.

Alex.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2009, 08:57:21 PM »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #76 on: November 22, 2009, 09:02:58 PM »
@broli,

I see what you mean. It was my goal to use as few parts as possible
to keep the circuit KISS. If you want to stop the JT from charging
when the super caps is full then just add a NPN transistor at the base
of the 2N2222. The NPN transistor can be biased from the super cap
voltage so that the 2N2222 base will be brought to ground when the
super cap reach 2,6 Volt. This will stop the JT oscillation.

Alex.

I understand but imagine you leave this on overnight for benchmarking and something happens with the load or connection (like gadget's cat  ;D ), now the bcap will keep charging past its 2.6 limit and potentially explode or cause a fire.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #77 on: November 22, 2009, 09:10:55 PM »
We're going to fly with this JT guys  ;D look at this video it's a toroid invention too to antigravity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSHD9rJWHiE
Enjoy.


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2009, 09:14:08 PM »
@broli,

If you have some good ideas on how to prevent that, just post them and I will update
the circuit.

Alex.


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2009, 09:34:44 PM »
I'm embarrassed to say that my electronic knowledge is very basic so I can't recommend or make specific changes.
 

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2009, 09:34:44 PM »
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2009, 09:40:35 PM »
I can make it . I have to order the scrs and a couple of the diodes . One thing . the Charge Capacitor will of coarse charge over the unity of the Run Battery . I wound use a battery in the run circuit because this is the first place i saw OU produced .. So Assuming 1.495 volts @ 2500 ma and a charged cap just at 2.000 is enuff to bump the small loss of the battery ...thus it continues until we engage the thermal control or Engage the output to run Lights  and/or heat  to once we reach 2.6 . can this be adjustable ? or is it already ? we dont need a fully charged bcap to win the OU contest . As it stands its way to much ou  at 2,6  Ou . Anyone can see that . so this is why i ask to get the prize for the contributors and THEN improve the design later . I can take just one wire from the charged Bcap and hit the pos  if the input for a few seconds to restore the self run portion . Couldnt we just use for now a mosfet or scr controlled by a 555 timer timed to trigger the ,mosfet /scr for a few seconds or is this not possible without programming like apic or something ? Anyways give be a bit of time to gather the parts i dont have and i will put it together and see if this will work . with my original Experiment 1 using the AA battery to achieve Ou of the source then smake it with a burst to the primary with one wire only thus a self runner . and use the heat on demand . I can put a zenar on the charge so it dont over charge  ???

@Pony this is not a cap. anyone can charge a cap off of a Jt . i have charged one up to over 200 volts . But no work is done with them .this is not ou . ou is the ability to charge a high amperage power supply source . Heat demonstrates Ou in My setup along with the LIGHT . You build it / You have no idea what you are talking about because you have not built it.I have . I know what ou is . Its here . try and land 3500 amps or 107 amps continuous from your aa battery . YOU CANT!!with out this replication circuit .And Sir you Never answered My Question about your education and life experienced ?what's up with that ? Not knocking yo but you keep knocking me and you haven't even bruit on . No one has but be . Where are all the 80,000 ultracaps i sold . some here has a pile of them I cannot believe that i Gave you all a true OVER  UNITY DEVICE and you don't build it ? most don't realize that this can be scaled up to a very high voltage and ext ream amperage/joules to power anything in your house . . O well . i don;t care about it . Ist will be it . he owns the parts to do it . We have gave you all what you wanted and you continue  on and on and on knocking down what is already a fact . BUILD IT > anyways i will win this prize  and i will share it with ist jeanna mark jim bill xee2 groundloop and a few more that come to mind later . they are the contributors of My heater projects .
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2009, 09:51:37 PM »
We're going to fly with this JT guys  ;D look at this video it's a toroid invention too to antigravity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSHD9rJWHiE
Enjoy.
Did anybody note the iron filings in oil art piece I posted somewhere. It is just like some of those shots.
It was sort of like the rug symbols... bo a lot like them.
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2009, 09:57:27 PM »
You could use a low voltage motor driven gearbox powered by your secondary instead of an led, drive a couple of half circles as cams and flip 2 micro switches to swap over the charge and supply caps

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2009, 09:57:57 PM »
@Pony this is not a cap. anyone can charge a cap off of a Jt . i have charged one up to over 200 volts . But no work is done with them .this is not ou . ou is the ability to charge a high amperage power supply source . Heat demonstrates Ou in My setup along with the LIGHT . You build it / You have no idea what you are talking about because you have not built it.I have . I know what ou is . Its here . try and land 3500 amps or 107 amps continuous from your aa battery . YOU CANT!!with out this replication circuit .
gadget

On the contrary, I have a very good handle on what I am talking about. It required about 5 minutes of study to understand how this circuit works. Then I realized with your capacitor tests, you were simply transferring charge between either a battery and capacitor, or from capacitor to capacitor.

Either case, this is not overunity, and thus far no one has shown with any reasonable evidence that it is. Make some proper measurements, and understand what this circuit is actually doing before jumping the gun with an OU prize application. The JT and its derivatives, is simply a boost converter.

I would encourage you and all here to study the suggestions given here by myself and others.

.99

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #84 on: November 22, 2009, 09:58:07 PM »
@gadgetmall,

I did try to design the circuit to meet your requirements.

>>can this be adjustable ? or is it already ?

Yes, you can adjust the two pots. One for the charge dump voltage level and
one for the feed back charge dump to run battery.

>>Couldnt we just use for now a mosfet or scr controlled by a 555 timer timed to
>>trigger the ,mosfet /scr for a few seconds or is this not possible without
>>programming like a pic or something ?

If we use too many pats then you will use up all the o/u you get. I have tried to
design the circuit to use no current at all when inactive.

The circuit may need some "tweaking" and change of resistor values to
get it to work. When (if) it works then I can update the circuit drawings and make
some pcbs for this project.

Alex.


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2009, 10:25:33 PM »
@gadgetmall,

I did try to design the circuit to meet your requirements.

>>can this be adjustable ? or is it already ?

Yes, you can adjust the two pots. One for the charge dump voltage level and
one for the feed back charge dump to run battery.

>>Couldnt we just use for now a mosfet or scr controlled by a 555 timer timed to
>>trigger the ,mosfet /scr for a few seconds or is this not possible without
>>programming like a pic or something ?

If we use too many pats then you will use up all the o/u you get. I have tried to
design the circuit to use no current at all when inactive.

The circuit may need some "tweaking" and change of resistor values to
get it to work. When (if) it works then I can update the circuit drawings and make
some pcbs for this project.

Alex.
thank you Alex for getting evolved and taking the time to contribute to the prize project  . I am not sterring you wrong . i promise . this isnt like anything i have seen every . I will get a proto solder board from the shack tomorrow and start on the pats that i have while i order several sets of all the required pieces . Many many thank yous ..

@pony . ? I appreciate you comments but i have enough now and i am going to win this . 100% positive . yes that's bold  so you better know i mean business . I wont argue anymore with you . it don't matter whether  the charge cap has 0 volts (which the never do) or half a volt . it will go ou either way . .500 volts is where they normally sit around here as they stop working  silicon hence .5 is where i will start My next repete of the  same Experiment 1 and 2 . today !! and as far as measurements i did all that is needed before . I will log it this time  on paper and video .i'll borrow someones high speed to upload it but its pointless doing that because there is always some one somewhere that says is a fake and its no ou Bla bla bla like ist says :)    .



thats a great idea Peterae about the motor on the secondary . the only way i see that working is with a cap r/c discharge circuit that inches a cam to the micros . Build it . its a good idea and there is no loss in the secondary circuit  thank you for the input

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2009, 10:32:03 PM »
99 take the time read the 1000 pages ....

then go write the book  ;)

ok

we are the reserchers ...  if you want cold undisputiable proof   ill grab pattends from my last time around this silly rock ...

if you think this is something ...  lol  you got 1000 more comeing  ;D   no worrie gary is on the "G"  lol

imagine .....  ;)  oooo  whats g  ya say ...  just unlocks all tesla...  ;D :o

look around....  i solved this years ago ... posted all public ...  lol

pony pays 300$ to be a judge ... but he had no idea what he signed up for  ;D  lmao

have fun !  :D


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #87 on: November 22, 2009, 10:39:01 PM »
@pony . ? I appreciate you comments but i have enough now and i am going to win this . 100% positive . yes that's bold  so you better know i mean business . I wont argue anymore with you . it don't matter whether  the charge cap has 0 volts (which the never do) or half a volt . it will go ou either way . .500 volts is where they normally sit around here as they stop working  silicon hence .5 is where i will start My next repete of the  same Experiment 1 and 2 . today !! and as far as measurements i did all that is needed before . I will log it this time  on paper and video .i'll borrow someones high speed to upload it but its pointless doing that because there is always some one somewhere that says is a fake and its no ou Bla bla bla like ist says :)

You're welcome to try for the OU prize. I'll give you that. But I don't agree that you've provided sufficient evidence to merit it, and in the end, you'll see that this is true. Good luck.

.99

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2009, 10:46:20 PM »
you dont need there prize gadget!   

lol

125 a kit ... you list them ill build them ...

lol

and who knows perhaps we become so busy ...  this site is left in dust ...  ;D

o right and no pattends are gained ...

o right we havent even pulled out our prize chess player  card yet ...  ;)

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #89 on: November 22, 2009, 10:46:33 PM »
@All:

I am just going to back up .99's comments.  I have read quite a few of Gadget's postings and looked at his schematic.  Gadget has not done anything even remotely close to proving that this is an over unity device.  The most basic measurements of power out vs. power in or energy out vs energy in have not been done.  In addition to this, Gadget is not capable of articulating what the circuit is doing in a proper manner and it is very obvious that his understanding of electronics is very limited.

I would strongly advise anyone contemplating spending the money and time to replicate this device to not do so - you will be wasting your time.  As an alternative, you should encourage Gadget to back up his claims with real measurements proving his claim.  Personally I don't believe that Gadget is capable of doing this.

This is nothing more than another "false alarm" where somebody gets all excited about a JT-like circuit that charges a capacitor using a discharging inductor going through a diode.  There is nothing here.

Some of you may remember the "Imhotep" excitement where there was a huge buzz over turning a computer fan into a small Bedini motor.  The name of the thread was "Free energy at last - A must see" or something like that.  Imhotep became a "rock star" but nothing he and his wife ever posted came even remotely close to being a free energy device.

I encourage all of you that are contemplating replications to just sit back and chill for a long time and see what happens.  I assure you that you will be wasting your time and money.  Instead demand that Gadget prove his claim first.  That would be the wisest course of action.

MileHigh

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