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Offline innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2009, 08:07:29 AM »
99

and not to come down on you ... 
but it is pointless...
i will explain why ..
there is only 1 reason you need this info  that is to deturman the used amount of engery ...
you did that gl did it confirm those #

all the rest is bs ..

this is why....  how many times did gadget flip it ...

NOW CHARGE THE DAMM THING FIRST LIKE I SAID ...

LET A SINGLE CHARGE BE FIRST CONSIDERED...  THEN THE DAMM THING HAS AN OFF AND ON SW on it

you still dont understand how 2 stage units operate ..

sorry ..  its the true ....


the whole thing is free but the first charge ... you may need to let it run 2 or 3 days to first charge it ..

and so what cuz in 1 min or less the source is compleatly replenished ..

and its still running ...

 :o :o :o :o

i have designs that will accomadate as many caps as you can afford from 1 ring ...  ;) ::) ::)

cant figure it out cannt build it ?   

well world im still poor .. same old game ...  i have not had my materials shipped i gave the world a head start ... cuz you need it ...  ;)

so i need to make some money then my work will begin  my stuff is payed for near 1000 bucks ...  likely over with the shipping ...  so what ..  i had to prove my shit to the world ...  and i choose gadget ... to be first as he helped me a great deal ...

in ordering all the required materials.. its all history on this site .. any how ..  you only need to read it thats all

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2009, 08:07:29 AM »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2009, 08:39:59 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg210029#msg210029

Gadget, you could theoretically use a knife switch to change the source from one capacitor to another, but having the capacitor in the configuration that it's in causes the battery to charge the capacitor while bypassing the transistor.
No need to bypass anything especially the transistor . I took one alligator clip and jumped the charging cap to the run cap and it made the led get Brighter and the primary cap rose quickly a 10th of a volt in a two seconds . Works perfectly as is . all i need is  one wire controlled by a timer switch that closes in 14 hours for 5 seconds and this is a self runner with energy to spare .
. I wish you would replicate this someone quick . I am having a hard time convincing some people this is the most simplest over unity device ever devised probably in over 100 years . This is Ground breaking stuff and i wont be surprised if mib get in the way of this . really .i am on to this big time . free energy is HERE NOW!! promise .Ans IST is Right and has been all along . everything he needs now is making your dreams come true . Ist i know how you feel now trying to convince some one is hard and unless they actually build one they wont get it . i don't care if put videos up and post results there is always one  or 50 that will never get it . all you all need to get some ucaps before they kill the grid .i don't care where you get them just get them . invest in your future .buy your self a Christmas present . you wont regret it .

gadget
« Last Edit: November 22, 2009, 09:35:14 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2009, 08:55:47 AM »
You also said this in the now locked thread:
To make sure I understand correctly, there are two things that need clarification:

1) Did you mean to say that the bcap starts off at a voltage of 0.5V before you begin charging it with your JT?

2) After your bcap is charged to 2.6V, you can then connect it briefly (5 or 6 seconds) to your AA rechargeable battery to give it a recharge?

Also, what is your background and formal education in electronics?

Thanks,
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answer 1 and two correct and a timer is being built to hit the aa battery for 5 seconds and actually recharge it higher than it started also .
Answer for education . I graduated from high school and went  to college for two years the went on to open my own business and went another 2 years at a technical  college studying digital electronics and then went another year and got a degree for tv and radio repair this was in the 70's I repair tvs for 12 years at various shops and eventually went into m own repair business . I still repair electronics and even computer down to the component level . In 1983 i got my Amateur radio licenses and quickly became an advanced radio operator . i am still licensed today by the fcc and am a 2nd class technician . i went to various trade schools learning how to repair copiers and office equipment with various certificates (over 40 )  for repairing electronic office equipment and worked at at an office supply for 10 years as the service manager/master tech . after that i left and worked for Directv  and am now retired from that . I have over 37 years in the electronics /computer/satellite  field . How about you pony . what is your education ? Oh forgot to mention that in 2000 i got a grant and attended AIU for three quarters out of 8 to obtain mt bachelors Degree studying to become a certified It professional grad  . I was awarded an honorarily associates degree for life experiences . I dropped out when Asia was born to take care of her By Myself . I may still pick up where i left off in a few more years .i had a brain stroke three 1/2 years ago in my left frontal lobe and i should be dead but instead i had a brain storm and started inventing Gadgets .. I built a multivibrator inverter in the 8th grad when everyone else in the class was building electromagnet coils :)
I had my first high powered solar electric system  20 years ago . i still have one . I have wind generators and blades and i am highly active in the free energy field . and You ?

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« Last Edit: November 22, 2009, 09:17:54 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2009, 09:15:45 AM »
holy all that  convencial training gadget!!  holy crap!  and you still figured this out ... 

what in the heck is the rest of the worlds excuse... lol  i thought cuz there mindless training .. but you just shoot that theroie to heck

well i banged nails ...  ;D  got me a grade 10  :D

still think you right off the plannet ...  :D

lol

ist!

im pretty sure i have done this a time or 2 lol  ;)  more than likely on a few planets in many univirses ...  :)

who knows this may be my job ..  ;D
 i have herd earth has a rep for a really bumpy landing ... and some never recover ... it is most likely the most unbalanced rock out there ... this is why we all are here ... 

i was intervineed on ... as i was gone this explains my dreams ... the operations they did on me
and such  ..  i knew it was the fedration as they were kind calm and my lil ali was there and it was maybe my sun doing it ... i have no idea what they did but  but it was not in the 3rd demention ..

i have in my opinion guides in my ears undetectable buy human teck ! they grew in apeared as bumps .. there there still there now .. they are located in the top part of my ears ...

this is not all....... a long time ago when my ring was taken the gold 1  .. i pulled an inplant out of my ear .. it was some funny looking thing it had a flat ribbon ant on it and a tiny black ball at the end ..
when i found this i was freqed .. i threw it out ...

case and point as much as you want to think you are alone out there your worng im your proof ..

and you need not look far for proof.. there are many more here on this site right now ...

i just wish they would have disclosed first .. they didnt ... so i backed up my shit with proof it will take some time for them to understand   then agin i have no idea what has gone on in special ops and such ...

so im sure they know almost all i have figured so far... i think they missed a few things along the way ..  ;)
« Last Edit: November 22, 2009, 09:39:57 AM by innovation_station »


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2009, 09:25:24 AM »
@gadgetmall,

My Dynacaps are 10 Farad 2,5 Volt each (Elna Type: DZ-2R5D106T).

I will try to make a circuit that do what you have outlined. Run and charge super cap until
the cap reach 2,6 Volt. Then charge the input battery for 5-6 seconds from super cap. Then
dump the super cap into load until voltage is down to 1 volt. Then repeat. Is this correct?

Alex.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2009, 09:25:24 AM »
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2009, 03:52:19 PM »
@gadgetmall,

My Dynacaps are 10 Farad 2,5 Volt each (Elna Type: DZ-2R5D106T).

I will try to make a circuit that do what you have outlined. Run and charge super cap until
the cap reach 2,6 Volt. Then charge the input battery for 5-6 seconds from super cap. Then
dump the super cap into load until voltage is down to 1 volt. Then repeat. Is this correct?

Alex.
yes that is Experiment 2 just with bcaps . experiment 1 was with a battery . iI don't see why you cant use a rechargeable aaa battery either for Experiment 1 with smaller capacitor I used a rechargeable Everready Ni-mh 2500 mah . i guess you could also use a c or d cell also and might see even better results .BUT i did Experiment 3 . It is a duplicate of experiment 2 using 4.7 farad 2.5 volt Dynacaps"supercaps "already . it did not work on this standard jt and the primary cap died at .521 while the charge cap reached a little over 1 volt . it did not reach unity .So i would say your experiment will fail but you will see it charge a bit before the primary cap discharged . there is something special about these ultracapcitors . for one they hold Massive amounts of Amperage or joules or whatever/ Unlike a super capacitor they have liquid electrolyte in them (2milliliiters of very highly poision) . And also they are Direct replacements for a Lithium battery . one of the strongest in Hybrid cars.
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2009, 04:13:25 PM »
holy all that  convencial training gadget!!  holy crap!  and you still figured this out ... 

what in the heck is the rest of the worlds excuse... lol  i thought cuz there mindless training .. but you just shoot that theroie to heck

well i banged nails ...  ;D  got me a grade 10  :D

still think you right off the plannet ...  :D

lol

ist!

im pretty sure i have done this a time or 2 lol  ;)  more than likely on a few planets in many univirses ...  :)

who knows this may be my job ..  ;D
 i have herd earth has a rep for a really bumpy landing ... and some never recover ... it is most likely the most unbalanced rock out there ... this is why we all are here ... 

i was intervineed on ... as i was gone this explains my dreams ... the operations they did on me
and such  ..  i knew it was the fedration as they were kind calm and my lil ali was there and it was maybe my sun doing it ... i have no idea what they did but  but it was not in the 3rd demention ..

i have in my opinion guides in my ears undetectable buy human teck ! they grew in apeared as bumps .. there there still there now .. they are located in the top part of my ears ...

this is not all....... a long time ago when my ring was taken the gold 1  .. i pulled an inplant out of my ear .. it was some funny looking thing it had a flat ribbon ant on it and a tiny black ball at the end ..
when i found this i was freqed .. i threw it out ...

case and point as much as you want to think you are alone out there your worng im your proof ..

and you need not look far for proof.. there are many more here on this site right now ...

i just wish they would have disclosed first .. they didnt ... so i backed up my shit with proof it will take some time for them to understand   then agin i have no idea what has gone on in special ops and such ...

so im sure they know almost all i have figured so far... i think they missed a few things along the way ..  ;)
Hey Buddy . IST all the training in the world didn't matter when it comes to free energy now does it? And it really comes down to Show me  also . Thank you for asking me about charging the ucap . if you didn't ask me i would not have did what i did and looked at the voltages like i did. nor opened my eyes to we have here .
gadget

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2009, 04:51:21 PM »
g

your the last one i will ever be angry with .. 

i know you know better ...

but it is thease ones that think they know sooo much ...

and it is not at all like i know soooo much ... i simply choose to learn as much as i can ..

since i plainly ignored this great creation prior to knowing ..

i gave it all for this 1 thing in ordor to share it with everyone ..

or elese who would have.. ?   i ve knowen how this works some time ..

almost 1 year ago now this info was sent to germany.....

the fet curcit wich is still not public... 

 :o :o :o :o

this world knows me  i was offered 300bil some time ago...  ;)

sell out or save a few good souls... i made my choise!

william filsinger!

but i live on about as much as your uint runs on ... nuttin ..  ;D  im still here and we won ..

plus i just know the children .. are my lightning bugs!  ;)

it aint the old ones .. that cant climb out of there box .. its the children !  duh ;D


i wonder if my children above me burnt out the portor yet...  :D :D

you see when i solved this ... big things happined up there  ;)

i think there a few ships full of your light bodys wateing to return to your body ...

mine already has ...   8) 

the humans go unity...  they are kept a close eye  by the overunity gardians...  ;)
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2009, 05:24:19 PM »
you guys see all the ufo's up there ... lol  there is no way in hell they were all built on earth...

lol

not in this time line...

if you have not seen or choose to be unaware ...

there are some tricks that allow you to see them ...  hundreds and hundreds ... in a few seconds ...

i saw a video where they used the sun to see them just blinded by the roof just enough and at the right angle ..  boom there they are ...

 8)

i may add the video ...  ;D

w

those are fire flys....

and if farra dont quit pissing out side  ;)  there gonna show up! 

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2009, 05:33:17 PM »
Hi,

Does anyone want to share their favorite JT video link?

I haven't seen many JT videos yet, but this one catches my interest,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFW1d5G6NnM

What do you think?

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2009, 05:53:43 PM »
Hi,

Does anyone want to share their favorite JT video link?

I haven't seen many JT videos yet, but this one catches my interest,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFW1d5G6NnM

What do you think?

Regards,
Paul
we all watched that in the beginning of the Jt thread .that video is from Evil mad scientist for newbe's. It belongs in the other thread . this is An advanced Thread for people that have already built 100's of Jts and can build them with our eyes closed  .

regards
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2009, 06:01:47 PM »
Thanks for answering my questions.

MileHigh made a post suggesting that OU can not be determined unless you make proper measurements. From what I have read, it would seem that these type of measurements have not been performed?

Another thing I would suggest, is to replace your AA battery with another ultra-cap if you have not already done this. One thing that would need to be verified while doing these experiments with capacitors, is the actual capacitance values.

By replacing the AA battery with a capacitor, you can quite easily determine how much energy is being supplied (and later put back with your 5 second recharge), and of course how much energy went into the charge capacitor.

Now, if we go back to Groundloop's calculation:

@gadgetmall,

Your 650 Farad capacitor can store maximum 2197 Joule =  0,61 Watt/Hour at 2,6 Volt.
If your JT did use 13mA/h @ 1,495 Volt, and it ran for 14 hours, then the total input
usage was 0,27 Watt/Hour. The total COP = 0,61 / 0,27 = 2,26.

Congratulations! :-)

With that high COP it should be possible to make a self run circuit.

Alex.

We now know that it needs to be revised due to the 0.5V starting voltage on the capacitor. This is 0.5V in 650F worth of energy that wasn't put there by the JT circuit over those 14 hours, and must be subtracted from the total. At about 81J it isn't much, but it should be accounted for. The COP now comes to about 2.18.

Notwithstanding the 2.18 value, it would be very prudent to replace the AA with a suitable capacitor of known value in order that the precise energy supplied can be derived. A meter on the 1 Ohm shunt may not be accurate, and the current may not be constant over time due to changes in loading as the capacitor charges.

.99


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« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2009, 06:09:37 PM »
Thanks for answering my questions.

MileHigh made a post suggesting that OU can not be determined unless you make proper measurements. From what I have read, it would seem that these type of measurements have not been performed?

Another thing I would suggest, is to replace your AA battery with another ultra-cap if you have not already done this. One thing that would need to be verified while doing these experiments with capacitors, is the actual capacitance values.

By replacing the AA battery with a capacitor, you can quite easily determine how much energy is being supplied (and later put back with your 5 second recharge), and of course how much energy went into the charge capacitor.

Now, if we go back to Groundloop's calculation:

We now know that it needs to be revised due to the 0.5V starting voltage on the capacitor. This is 0.5V in 650F worth of energy that wasn't put there by the JT circuit over those 14 hours, and must be subtracted from the total. At about 81J it isn't much, but it should be accounted for. The COP now comes to about 2.18.

Notwithstanding the 2.18 value, it would be very prudent to replace the AA with a suitable capacitor of known value in order that the precise energy supplied can be derived. A meter on the 1 Ohm shunt may not be accurate, and the current may not be constant over time due to changes in loading as the capacitor charges.

.99
Hi .thanks for the math but i don't care about COP . Its still overunity . And Its apparent you haven't read from page 996 to the current page on the Jt thread or you wold know these test have already been done .
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« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2009, 06:20:13 PM »
You may call it what you will, OU, COP>1, it's semantics, but I'd rather not get into that can of worms, it's been opened too many times already.

Your diagram shows a AA battery, and there are references in previous posts to using a run capacitor. So what was the conclusion using the run capacitors? You didn't like them, or they didn't produce the effect or result you had with the AA battery? If so, why do you suppose that is?

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2009, 06:27:43 PM »
Hi,

Does anyone want to share their favorite JT video link?

I haven't seen many JT videos yet, but this one catches my interest,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFW1d5G6NnM

What do you think?

Regards,
Paul

yes he has done a great job!!

love the edit!!  plainly tells dozzies how to do it!

funny he repeats eh!  WAKE UP ... I CAN FIND YOU CURRENTLY OVER 5000 YOUTUBE VIDEOS .. i can explain ...  ;)

he's no fool but agin this is NOT THE SAME AS THAT UNIT! 

AS WELL YOU GUYS ARE STILL HUNG UP ON JUNK... 

maybe i should build the gate keeper ... 3 phase ....

my my !

ist

then you use my power can! as a supply  for the gate keeper ..

and you all thought i was STUPID! lol


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