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Author Topic: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits  (Read 294461 times)

Offline innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2009, 02:59:39 AM »
im happy to be in everyones company ..  :)

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2009, 02:59:39 AM »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2009, 03:20:03 AM »
I have read from P.997 as advised by Gadget, and I echo Stefan's questions, with this to add:

Gadget, or anyone--what has led you to believe that the new circuit (or original JT) is capable of OU?

.99
Hi if your read then you know . Do you know what OU stands for . OVER UNITY .  what is unity in this case . Unity is the aa battery voltage and current / here i have a charged aa battery @ 1.495 volts .2500milliamps  I then charge an ultracapacitor  which  is a DIRECT REPLACEMENT FOR LITHIUM BATTERIES THAT PRODUCES 3500 AMPSSSSS of usable current  charged. THE battery cap IS charged TO 2.600 VOLTS @3500ampssssss  with a very small 5 1000's of a volt =aa battery is 1.490 AFTER THE BCAP IS CHARGED  THIS IS  OVER THE UNITY of THE SOURCE!!!! GET IT NOW >>> do you understand ?????

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2009, 03:24:50 AM »
Thanks, ist

sadly sweet.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2009, 03:43:30 AM »
i think if you know much about this ...   pauls actions are a dirrect effect of this ... you can plainly see his intrest ..  ;)  how did that happin ...  there a few more that will stumble in the door ... lol  ;D :D ;) ;)

boom just like that ...

this will snow ball at a ridculas speed !   

W814

WE CALL IT ROLLIAN SPINN ...  ;)   thats when you winde it up gooooood and proper  and kick it in the a$$ just as you let go .... lol    :D

slow that tornato down once !  ;D 8)


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2009, 03:45:11 AM »
Here's an old but interesting video that shows what such a cap can do to a wire. The wire becomes red hot very fast. This is in contrast what high voltage would do ie explode the wire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp2QDhcw6Bs
Hi thank you for the video and your contribution here . This was using a fat piece of wire looked like maybe # 22 ? #20 ? You take a high Resistance nichrome wire coil and see the heat that can be produced . . Also more resistance and thinner wire longer run time and hotter heat . this is what i saw . and you can see it will light a cig up nicely . I do not get why some people cannot see that there is over unity in this charging from 5 1000's of volt . heck even if it took a half a volt to charge it up from the aa battery its still over the unity of the run battery ? Right ? Someone ?
Gadget

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2009, 03:45:11 AM »
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2009, 04:23:22 AM »
Hi thank you for the video and your contribution here . This was using a fat piece of wire looked like maybe # 22 ? #20 ? You take a high Resistance nichrome wire coil and see the heat that can be produced . . Also more resistance and thinner wire longer run time and hotter heat . this is what i saw . and you can see it will light a cig up nicely . I do not get why some people cannot see that there is over unity in this charging from 5 1000's of volt . heck even if it took a half a volt to charge it up from the aa battery its still over the unity of the run battery ? Right ? Someone ?
Gadget

I think that what the people want to see is that the source battery get its voltage back after doing the cap charging.
You must include some kind of feedback to the source battery in order to get a complete overunity system.

Remember that this is only my humble opinion. I can be completely wrong.

Jesus

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2009, 04:33:30 AM »
@gadgetmall,

Your 650 Farad capacitor can store maximum 2197 Joule =  0,61 Watt/Hour at 2,6 Volt.
If your JT did use 13mA/h @ 1,495 Volt, and it ran for 14 hours, then the total input
usage was 0,27 Watt/Hour. The total COP = 0,61 / 0,27 = 2,26.

Congratulations! :-)

With that high COP it should be possible to make a self run circuit.

Alex.


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2009, 04:33:30 AM »
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2009, 04:40:30 AM »
btw gl that was only the first STARTER CHARGE FOR MY CAP MOTOR ...  ;D 8)

the damm aa will start the thing 40 times or more .... 

think bout that ....  ;)   my output will be 5 of those caps as per orignal design ...  i then CLOSE THE LOOP VIA 12VDC STEP DOWN ADAPTOR ...  excess goes to a 1.2kw invertor

THIS IS MY !CUBE

AKA THE GOLD RING

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ist!  ;)

no body wanted to fund me ..... so i spun the shit up ...   and now you caused the release of it ..

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and i would not doubt he is the owner of the picture that triggered me to design it .. 

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« Last Edit: November 22, 2009, 05:34:45 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2009, 04:51:11 AM »
@gadgetmall,

Your 650 Farad capacitor can store maximum 2197 Joule =  0,61 Watt/Hour at 2,6 Volt.
If your JT did use 13mA/h @ 1,495 Volt, and it ran for 14 hours, then the total input
usage was 0,27 Watt/Hour. The total COP = 0,61 / 0,27 = 2,26.

Congratulations! :-)

With that high COP it should be possible to make a self run circuit.

Alex.
Good Gracious . Thank you so much for coming in Groundloop / Man i do respect your work . Yes its no problem with a small 5/1000th of volt loss . actually just hit it with the charged cap for a few seconds and the AA as back to the original 1.495 volts . Easily  done and i welcome replications and improvement .  This started when ist asked me to post  will a NORMAL jt charge one of these Bcaps . the Answer Is YES it will . several times over . But By accident and adjusting it to pull 13 ma from the start  and hooking up those secondary leds for an on indication the circuit likes ultracaps, a lot and rings good at the current windings .  I'M used to making a primary with lots of winding thus dropping the input current even further .. Like primary 50 /100 for the secondary  instead of this 11/22 . Lots of room for improvement and i want your help here please .And thank you so much for the Math . Did you take in account for the power dissipation  total from the pdf specs on the Maxwell web site for your joules calculation ? never mind i'll take you word . either way if you replicate you will see the exact same thing . I promise . We can use your help here if would . I need a Circuit that connects the charged Bcap to the primary battery for 5  to 6 seconds approximately 13 to 14 hours into the charge to make this circuit self run and produce light and After that Initial Hit  i then need the bcap to swing into operation so it can fire up nichrome wire producing Heat regulated by a thermal cut off  untile it reaches about 1 volt volts and ahalf . I can handle this . part . I think its just a matter of a555timer circuit connected to a mosfet to fed the primary and make up for the tiny loss during Charging period . >>??? then the process needs to start over again when the bcap reches about 1 volt or just below unity and charge it back up to 2.6 ,hit the primary aa  and then produce heat all this time the light is free as well . what do yall think? When i win . you all get a Share . or even better i will include the main group who have contributed constantly . i know and you know who you . i think its over 10,000dollars ??Could we use the Christmas money ?

Gadget
« Last Edit: November 22, 2009, 05:56:39 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2009, 04:59:10 AM »
@gadgetmall,

I have some work ahead on a battery switch etc. but will try to get some super caps
and do a full replication on your circuits later on. I do have a 12,5 Volt Dynacap, do
you think it will work on Dynacaps also?

Alex.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2009, 05:44:05 AM »
@gadgetmall,

I have some work ahead on a battery switch etc. but will try to get some super caps
and do a full replication on your circuits later on. I do have a 12,5 Volt Dynacap, do
you think it will work on Dynacaps also?

Alex.
i am still experimenting with caps charging cap and in the third stage of swapping . i need to repeat that experiment because the cat jumped on the experiment and the charge cap got disconnected while the run cap discharged for hours but i continuied the experiment from there . I tried it with 4.7 farad 2.5 volts caps . they did not work one charged up as the primary to 2.5 volts and the other was i thin k 056 discharged .. the run cap stopped at .521 the 2n2222a limits and the charge cap never reached unity  and was 1 volt and a little more. i documented it all in pages 996 to current page in the JT thread . they did not work because there was not enuff run time amps in the little run cap .they need to be more that 2500 milliamps to show Ou in this simple JT / I think we can improve this with better windings and toroid and transistor and make the little caps work .What is the rating on yours?

gadget

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2009, 07:03:46 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg210029#msg210029

Gadget, you could theoretically use a knife switch to change the source from one capacitor to another, but having the capacitor in the configuration that it's in causes the battery to charge the capacitor while bypassing the transistor.


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2009, 07:13:23 AM »
@gadget

Did you try charging caps from the secondary ? with no basic jt led.

Or tried your tv disruptor jt .


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2009, 07:50:09 AM »
@gadget

Did you try charging caps from the secondary ? with no basic jt led.

Or tried your tv disruptor jt .
Months and montsh ago i Charge one in 8 hours  but it was not a plain jt like this one . This one will not charge off the secondary at all . it only charged on the C E junction and only with a diode . i used a 1n43 germanium becuae i got a bag of them and the voltage drop is like .4 volts . Like i said i know there is room for improvement but this Experiment Shows that anyone can build this and see for themselves that there is massive Ou . I know we can charge regular caps up to a higher voltage easy but its gone when you short it in a flat milisecond . these are like lithium batteries except the last a lifetime and produce a real current potential . you dont have to run heat . you can run motors or lights or anything really . how about like you said run another jt and charge another bcap .or run another jt from the secondary and charge a bcap . I have not tried that YET . To prove to these guys what they want to see  a self runner . somehow they thing ou is self runner . well this canbe a selfrunner also . right now . i just jump the bcap to the battery for a few seconds and the aa battery jumps up past the original operating voltage and current  :) this is why we need groundloop .

@jarad yes but they want something you dont touch . It will not be hard to do . just a momentary jump for 5 seconds every 13- 14 hours with this setup they will have Greay hair by the time the Led burns out . By the way i saw my first led burn out a true life  of 100,000hours ., I got this old PALLIGHT 15 years ago . it stays on so you can find it .and has one push on and another push bright bright and another push blink bright .  It stays lit for 2.5 years on a single 9 volt battery . you may have one of the old ones it runs off a 9 volt battery . well it finally burnt out 4 days ago. i replaced it with a new and she is good for another 15 years and 5 more 9 volt batteries :) thanks for the input jarado .

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2009, 07:51:51 AM »
Hi if your read then you know . Do you know what OU stands for . OVER UNITY .  what is unity in this case . Unity is the aa battery voltage and current / here i have a charged aa battery @ 1.495 volts .2500milliamps  I then charge an ultracapacitor  which  is a DIRECT REPLACEMENT FOR LITHIUM BATTERIES THAT PRODUCES 3500 AMPSSSSS of usable current  charged. THE battery cap IS charged TO 2.600 VOLTS @3500ampssssss  with a very small 5 1000's of a volt =aa battery is 1.490 AFTER THE BCAP IS CHARGED  THIS IS  OVER THE UNITY of THE SOURCE!!!! GET IT NOW >>> do you understand ?????

GADGET

You also said this in the now locked thread:
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OK what is OU . Its Over UNity . What is Unity in this circuit . Its the AA battery start voltage  and amp. which was 1.495volts @ 2500mah . ok primary source . running a simple STANDARD Joule thief  circuit with a tank on the base . and a secondary of 22 turns for the leds. In this case you really dont have to have the leds . its a plus free energy . i use two .5 watt 5 chip leds . with the circuit adjusted to 13ma with teh ultracap 650farads 2.7 volts connected and discharged to .500 volts or a half a volt . the reason its at .500 volts is this is where transistors stop working and is the normal for my discharged caps . they dont work a Jt any more with a silicon transistor . I turn on the circuit . the Leds are approximately half bright . 14 hours later i have a full ultracapacitor with a causal 2.6 volts . I never charge these caps up to 2.7 volts the highest before they become extremely dangerous and could blow the pop off screw on the side / . Ok . So now we have a 2.6 volts with a maximum capacity of 3500 amps as per specs on the maxwell web site . before i  kill the circuit after looking at the run AA battery voltage it stands at 1.490  or 5/1000ths of a volt dropped and theleds are now 3/4 bright . too bright to stare at .. BUT ALSO i have 2,6 volts Charged in the Bcap At a VERY HIGH AMPERAGE well beyond the  tiny AA battery that burns nichrome wire . Simply Hit the AA battery for 5 seconds and the aa battery is well above its staring voltage . It's like hitting an aa battery with a 100 amp charger . Only for a sec the battery gets hot quick and charges up fast . Now . i still have 2.6  2. 5 volts to light up Nichrome Wire coil and get warm and light up a cigarette. This is way over the Unity of the run battery . See now ?

Gadget

To make sure I understand correctly, there are two things that need clarification:

1) Did you mean to say that the bcap starts off at a voltage of 0.5V before you begin charging it with your JT?

2) After your bcap is charged to 2.6V, you can then connect it briefly (5 or 6 seconds) to your AA rechargeable battery to give it a recharge?

Also, what is your background and formal education in electronics?

Thanks,
.99

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