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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2005, 04:14:39 PM »
Hmm,
this cell now seems to be pretty neat !

Today now 16:13 pm the cell is at 0.48 Volts at the 100 Ohm load.
The load was on there all the time now.
Seems this cell is getting better and better.

When I have again some more free time in May,
I will build a really big alufoil cell like a capacitor and
see what this will deliver..

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2005, 04:14:39 PM »

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2005, 05:18:47 PM »
hi stefan,
you see like i sayd just let it run, the most fellows stopt the first time where they experienced this low voltage to until I told them not to do. but this effect is after my expierience just seen on cells which have my graphite- poly mix in there.
after my un-counted experiements the cells whould come back even under load up to around 80% of the startup voltage under load. there whould allways be a changing of the outpu voltage for about 50 to 100 mV, mostly the more the voltage degrease the higher they increase afterwards, strange but a fact.
with my own alloy is the increase of the voltage even higher, up to 30 % more.
Overall it is very fascinating and the running time under load exceed's that of any other battery many times.
the low working voltage can easely be compensated with series of more cells.
In regards to bigger cells it is my experience that out of economical reason it is much more practical to put a few smaler cells in parallel for higher current. I did put a very big cell together with more then 750 gr or 1 1/2 lb of my powder mix, three alloy plates in the size of 2 3/4 x 3 3/4 inches and five graphite plates of the same size the total size with the container was 6 x 8 x 6 inches and the result was only 750 mA short circuit thats what I get with a AG-c ell of the size of 1 1/4 x 3 3/4 inch and with the use of only 4 oz (120 gr) of the powdermix three of this cells paralell brings allready a little more then 2 amp short circuit.
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walt

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2005, 04:02:24 PM »
My alufoil cell is now up to 0.5 Volts !
Still since a few days on the 100 Ohm load with
no rest !

It is getting better and better !

Will report more in detail in Mid of May,
when I have again more free time.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2005, 01:58:39 PM by hartiberlin »

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2005, 12:02:22 PM »
hi stefan,
thats what I am talking about, that the cells wich have some of my power powder mix show all this increasevoltage under load condion's results what cells without dont do.
 my test cell here did run yesterday the second time thru a absolut low voltage which was at 10pm by 0.539V, this morning after 8 hours it is allready back up to 0.549V. this makes the total running time under load with a 47 ohm resistor now to 647 hours.this is a equivalent of 7.8 Amp hours.
Did you take the time running from your alu foil cell and figure out how much you allready got?
greetings
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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2005, 04:00:53 AM »
Hi,
my Alufoil cell is now up to 0.56 Volts now again at the 100
Ohm load. it now has risen since about 4 days all in all on the 100 Ohm
load contineously !
It seems the cell is formating itsself while it dries a bit...
Maybe there is a special crystalisation at the molecular level
when the cell dries and produces crystals surfaces which convert
heat to electrical energy somehow.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2005, 04:00:53 AM »
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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2005, 04:48:53 AM »
I can see where one might ge the other stuff, but the 'acitve charcoall powder' is something I only remeber seeing in flatullence pills and expensive filters. Is there a common, cheap source?

SOj

Hi All,
enclosed is a picture of the alufoilcell in a drinking glas.
There the inner walls are covered with alufoil, then comes the papertowel,
then the active charcoal powder and inside the active charcoal powder
is the stainless steel wool.
Over here on the pic you can see only the alufoil and the red-white papertowel.

The cell was connected to the 50 ohm load already now for 3 days and the voltage
is now down to 0.28 Volts.
If I am going to let it rest a few hours and add some fresh water, it will
again start at around 0.5 Volts with the 50 Ohm load.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2005, 12:07:36 PM »
Hi,
my Alufoil cell is now up to 0.56 Volts now again at the 100
Ohm load. it now has risen since about 4 days all in all on the 100 Ohm
load contineously !
It seems the cell is formating itsself while it dries a bit...
Maybe there is a special crystalisation at the molecular level
when the cell dries and produces crystals surfaces which convert
heat to electrical energy somehow.

Regards, Stefan.
hi stefan,
congratulation, it still will increase in voltage to about 0.6 to 0.7 Volt and probably will go down again and then will go up again, at least my AG-test cell is now at the third cycle after a total of over 800 hours under load. Try to cover the whole glass with a plastic bag, and squeeze the whole setup together maybe with a rubber band or so.
greetings
walt

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Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2005, 12:20:02 PM »
Hi,
my Alufoil cell is now up to 0.56 Volts now again at the 100
Ohm load. it now has risen since about 4 days all in all on the 100 Ohm
load contineously !
It seems the cell is formating itsself while it dries a bit...
Maybe there is a special crystalisation at the molecular level
when the cell dries and produces crystals surfaces which convert
heat to electrical energy somehow.

Regards, Stefan.
Hi stefan ,
it is right that there is a crystaline surface developed due to the working under load, but it has nothing to do with converting heat, because all my tests in regards to heating my AG-cells shows the same result that there is no change if exposed to heat up to 75 degree C or cold down to freezer temperatur.
I believe it has also something to do with the salt involved what are if crystalized has crystals with a different structure ( seen under microscope, verry fine with a uniform form) and who brings different effects if you disolve this afterwards again. has more conductivity and higher TDS total dissolve solids) values
If you take a total dry cell you only need verry little destilled water to reaktivate them as long as the alufoile is still intact.
greetings
walt

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2005, 12:26:39 PM »
I can see where one might ge the other stuff, but the 'acitve charcoall powder' is something I only remeber seeing in flatullence pills and expensive filters. Is there a common, cheap source?

SOj

Hi All,
enclosed is a picture of the alufoilcell in a drinking glas.
There the inner walls are covered with alufoil, then comes the papertowel,
then the active charcoal powder and inside the active charcoal powder
is the stainless steel wool.
Over here on the pic you can see only the alufoil and the red-white papertowel.

The cell was connected to the 50 ohm load already now for 3 days and the voltage
is now down to 0.28 Volts.
If I am going to let it rest a few hours and add some fresh water, it will
again start at around 0.5 Volts with the 50 Ohm load.

Regards, Stefan.
hi SOj,
it depends where you live, here in the us you can have some charcoal granules from a waterfilter like the undersink filter unit's. but be carefull shake the cartridge and listen if it sounds like granules ( loose stuff) because there are solid versions out there with a kind of feltpaper who dont do anythings.
Still this granules are not as powerfull as mine power powder which is a special mixture but you can experiementing and see results.
greetings
walt 

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2005, 04:42:26 AM »
Soujourner,
go to a shop that sells aquariums filter stuff or go to Ebay and buy
active charcoal for filtering air or aquarium water.
The most active charcoal comes from coconut skin wood,
which was burned without oxygen and only charcoal carbon remains.

This charcoal carbon is not very conductive, so real graphite powder
is much better, cause it is much more conductive, but graphite powder
is also much more expensive and harder to get.
Graphit is a modification of carbon and can only be got by hard pressing
and heating for long time normal charcoal or coal.
Thus it is very energy demanding to produce graphite.

So it would be very good, if somebody could invent a method
to produce high conductive graphite from charcoal with
very low energy demand !
Maybe it could be invented a chemical reaction to produce
graphite powder from charcoal or coal. That would be very
efficient and nic to have cheap graphite powder, cause this will
very much lower the prize of these new watercells.

I think the formating of the crystals of the NaCl within the Carbon
molecule and the crystalisation on the metal surfaces helps to
generate the long living electricity from these cells.

I just added again water into the graphite and then the
crystallisation goes back into solution and the voltage droped from 0.5 Volt to
0.3 Volts on the 100 Ohm load.
So I will let this dry again and see, if I will get again 0.5 Volts,
when the crystalisation will occur again.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2005, 05:57:07 PM »
Today, the cell is up again to 0.4 Volts at the 100 Ohm load.
As I did not put the cell into any container,
the water can now evaporate slowly out of it via the paper towel
that hangs out a bit at the top and the crystals can form again.
Now I guess in a few days the cell will be again at least at 0.5 Volts
at the 100 Ohm load resistor.
It seems, that a load  is beneficial for the crystallisation to take place.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2005, 07:18:29 PM »
Stefan,

I have some graphite powder that I am willing to sell for $1 USD per pound plus postage. I also have some catalytic graphite that I might sell for $5 per pound if people are interested. This material boasts cell power.

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2005, 11:17:30 PM »
The alufoilcell is now again up to 0.43 Volts on the 100 ohm load
and still climbing.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2005, 10:41:32 PM »
I did a new experiment today, as the old alufoil cell
has dried out and also some of the alufoil has disintegrated...

So now I did a new test.

Have a look at this picture below.
I wanted to do first a basic test, to see, if the
output could be scaled up by using more output area
pickup graphite material.

I did brush a piece of alufoil, so the surface was rough.
Then I mixed 3 to 4 tablespoons of seasalt with 1 tablespoon
full of K2CO3 and made with a bit of water some kind of
mix paste from it.
Then I put this mix paste as a small layer onto the alufoil.

Then I poured graphite powder on it and finaly a graphite plate.

In the picture you can see, that I only had a pretty small graphite plate left.

The "canals" are from placing graphite rods first
onto the graphite powder surface to further test additional pickup
rods, but these don?t have much surface and some of the
salt-mixpaste and graphite did glue to them, when I removed it..

Anyway I got at the fresh start 1.42 Volts open circuit.
Here in the picture it is still shown at 1.36 Volts, after I made some
short circuit measurements.

The max shortcircuit current was about 25 mA going down then to about 12 mA
after about 45 seconds.

The output only depends on the available area of graphite plate contact and
graphite powder on the salt-mix.

If I would have had bigger graphite plates I could have got much more output power.

If the salt mix dries out the voltage will go down to around
0.7 to 0.9 Volts open circuit , but the current will drop to very low
values, like under 0.2 mA.

So this needs to stay in a certain wetness state to generate
enough output power, so 3 cells in series can drive a white LED quite nice
for pretty long time.

Regards, Stefan.

« Last Edit: June 02, 2005, 10:53:35 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: alufoil cell
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2005, 01:26:58 PM »
Today after around 14 hours atthe voltmeter the salt-mix
has already dried out a bit and the voltage is down to 1.1 Volt opencircuit.

I will let it dry out totally during the next days and see, where the voltage goes.

Regards, Stefan.

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