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jikwan

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bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« on: November 10, 2009, 12:22:55 AM »


http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2275

3rd post alaskastar-sounds like he knows the laws very well

CrazyEwok

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Re: bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 05:43:02 AM »
As with all things in the goverment it has to be a proven technology to work... Being in Oz i don't many of the problems you guys have in USA. We have a simple no un-authorized modifacation policy unless you have permits. But being as i believe that all your states have different rules and regs for roads i would just call them and be specific. Also as there is no industry standard for safety on the units there can not be a single rule. eg a Glass jar setup would be extremly dangerous in a car but i am sure a well made cell with safety features that are far beyond what is considered industry standard for the containment, transportation and use of combustible gases would need special permits but would be a lot safer.

jikwan

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Re: bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 12:28:44 PM »
thanks for that ce
your info is useful in that it helps give me a picture of govt attitude
towards non-oil fueled machines
im british actually-can someone please give info about if its illegal
on uk roads?
i have a rough blueprint for a 100% waterpowered bike and car
im interested about what the rules are exactly because i hope to
sell do it yourself kits (fuel cell pre-built) just needs to be bolted on
and timing set

markdansie

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Re: bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 01:35:42 PM »
@crazyewok
better look up the WA government in Australia, thyey forced a hydrogen boost company out of business as the unit could not do as it claimed. They also put out a warning to any company that comes into existance in the future. However for the homebrew people all is ok still.
I also believe any booster using KOH or any other high alkaline material is illegal in California. However I have not read the legislation.
Mark

jibbguy

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Re: bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 06:52:57 PM »
In the Unites States' (as in "Plural" lol), there are 50 different regulations. And several States even have different rules for different areas, such as testing in Urban areas but not Rural, and for different car ages. So it would fully be determined by the regional regulations. Some States have no mandatory emissions or road safety testing at all for private vehicles.

There are currently NO Federal laws banning hydroxy YET that i have heard of.

GEET and Vaporization is a different matter, because they often use the heat of the exhaust. This is a gray area with differing interpretations which have not been ironed out by Legal Precedent yet; because "exhaust tampering" has been illegal under Fed law since the advent of the cat boxes.... Ironically, this restriction hurts gasoline vaporization and GEET use; which lower emissions much more than a cat box ever could. I think it would take a Legal Case to reach at least a District Federal Appeals Court to set a Precedent on whether simple heat exchange is considered "tampering" or not.

CrazyEwok

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Re: bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2009, 12:30:39 PM »
MD,
Yup i know of that company... i had a looking into their gear. Their marketing scheme was about increasing fuel economy by a base of 50% on any vehicle they equipped their cell on. Their cells wern't all that heat resistant (in WA heat inside a V8 engine bad in summer here can easily get over 120 deg C his cells would not handle that sort of heat well) and they did not ever do as they claim. Your talking about 1 lpm and worked on the basis of the H2 increasing the combustion speed of the fuel mix to better fuel economy... Pity he had no constraints on what cars he equipped them on and put dangerous mods on cars to trick the sensors. (ever seen what happens when someone with an O2 sensor extender turns their cell off and runs their car... lets say not pretty). Also his claims didn't stand up too well when tested by "experts". He stuffed up by being greedy. The next person to try it will need to pretty much be able to prove his cell in the first week to the MIB and every other department that they think they can get to put a red mark against it...

Doug1

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Re: bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2010, 02:16:51 PM »
 If it were legal then it probably isn't worth doing any way. Why has no one made any connection with the old time Lime Lights from 18th to early 19th century top produce hydoxy. It's even curious how little information is available regarding how they used to produce the gasses on site for use to light stages. That was back then in the dark ages before people became smart. Modern intellect is a sales gimic for stupid.
 There were no batteries used or electric grid power used to produce hydroxy for lighting back when it was perfected.
 

Artic_Knight

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Re: bad news dept. hydrogen boosters illegal in U.S.
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2010, 03:29:59 PM »
according to GA emmissions so long as the computer says everything is running fine and your emmissions are good and theres no questionable exaust mods (such as holes in the tail pipe) your good to go. they dont seem to care if your running hho or not.

moral of the story, speak to your local emissions tech and see what matters :) if you want get a second opinion. chances are they have seen the hho already.