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onthecuttingedge2005

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Share your coil designs
« on: October 06, 2009, 08:40:56 PM »
I was thinking about a method to make coil cores that envelope the winding itself.

what about mixing ready mix concrete with Iron particles cured within it.

mix about 50% Ready Mix(Powder) to 50% Iron Particles, pour over your hefty coil winding at then let the Concrete cure for a solid full body winding core.

you could make just about any design you wished to suit your needs.

solid toroid cores with windings 'inside' them might bring some interesting research into play.

Jerry ;)

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 12:11:53 AM »
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...what about mixing ready mix concrete with Iron particles cured within it. ... solid toroid cores with windings 'inside' them might bring some interesting research into play.
Hey Jerry,
I don't know about that.  Having coils inside a toroid is new to me.  Did you invent something?
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I was thinking about a method to make coil cores that envelope the winding itself.
I've seen at least one patent that had overlapping coil turns on a toroid, and I'm sure the inventor(s) thought it would work.

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 12:29:33 AM »
Are you ready for THIS?

http://sedonaenergygroup.com/Videos/Rodin-Tesla%20Coil.pdf

I was thinking to wind coils, Rodin coils to be precise, with tubing. Could be anything, I'm not qualified to select the material. Then poor full with mercury or like material. Loop, and seal. For the heck of it. Do step back though. I'd be interested to see if the matter, being in perfect harmony solid, really wants to flow when doing mainstream coil duty, when it finds itself to be a fluid.

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2009, 02:48:45 PM »
When we wrap a coil, we say to wrap in the same direction so we don't cancel the magnetic field, but what are we doing to the electric field which is the electro motive force that moves the separated charges by following this practice.

If we're wrapping a coil CW, once we get to the end of the first layer, we begin to start the second layer.  If we continue to wrap the wire in the same direction, it will now be CCW as we work our way back to the other end of the coil.

This creates relative motion between the different halves of the coil as the rotor magnet approaches and leaves the stator.  One half of the coil will have a South Pole while the other half will have a North Pole.  This creates two electro motive forces in series which allows current to flow in the coil.

Instead of continuing to wrap the coil in the same direction when we need to start a new layer, what if we bring the wire back to the other side and wrap the next layer in the same direction as the previous layer.  This will eliminate the relative motion between the different halves of the coil and will create only one electro motive force or only 1 electric field within the entire coil.  Current will not flow in this coil, since there is only 1 electric field present.

Now if we have two coils that are hooked together in series, then we will have 2 electric fields present in the system to allow current to flow.  One coil will be a South Pole (negative) while the other coil is a North Pole (positive).  We essentially have two coils with opposite polarities that we connect in series to form a dipole to allow current to flow.  We can accomplish this by having a rotor magnet's north pole face one stator coil and another rotor magnet's south pole facing the other stator coil as the rotor magnets approaches and leaves the stator.

This should allow our electrical circuit to create it's own magnetic field like a PM or PMH.  In a permanent magnet, we don't have one row of electrons with a CW spin, then next row of electrons to have a CCW spin, etc like our traditional coils have.  In the coil I am proposing, both the electric and magnetic fields are aligned and don't cross or interfere with each other.

Is anyone following me on this?

Bob Smith

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2009, 03:41:07 PM »
Gravityblock,
Your idea is simple and interesting. With the CW coil (North) positive and CCW (South) coil negative, do they have a common power source for this kind of induction? 

Have you considered the possibility of tapping into the earth's magnetic field (in Stubblefield earth battery fashion) to induce the N/Pos and S/Neg  - ie., aligning the 2 coils in the ground along N - S lines?
Bob

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2009, 11:42:02 AM »
Here's another way to wind a coil where you don't have to come back to the other end for the next layer.  This allows the current to flow through the coil in one direction only, instead of back and forth between the ends of the coil.

It's basically many flat coils on the same core all connected together.  Start from one end of the coil and wind the wire CW from the ID to the OD.  Once you reach the OD, then bring the wire back to the ID and wind CW to the OD and repeat until you're at the other end of the coil.  Then make another coil wrapped CCW or CW depending on how they will be used and hook them in series.

The two coils should operate similar to a permanent magnet holder (PMH) when it's energized.  With a variable resistor hooked to the coils, we can control the strength of the coils at any given time.  If one stator coil has a south pole and a magnet approaches it with a south pole, the magnet will repel away from the stator coil due to like poles repelling each other.  All we do is raise the resistance in the stator coil to dull it's south pole field where the magnet will be attracted to the core of the coil.

Once the rotor magnet and stator coil are in yaw or aligned with each other, then we can lower the resistance of the coils to create a strong south pole in the coil where it will repel the magnet away from the stator.  It can operate using the same principals of the Adams motor, but now we have a permanent electromagnet that can be controlled without needing a continuous power supply to it.  We may need to have a keeper and a "U" shaped core with a coil on each leg of the "U" to have the PMH affect. 

« Last Edit: October 11, 2009, 01:12:21 PM by gravityblock »

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 03:34:06 AM »
How about using a magnetic wire for a coil. Have you tried sticking a magnet to just plain coil wire,,it wont stick. But what if a coil was made with a magnetic wire,,meaning the wire would stick to a magnet. The perhaps if it was used as a pickup of electricity as say a magnet passed by it,,the coil would not even need an iron metal rod inserted into it as coil pickups have. The coil itself would be its own iron insert.

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2010, 04:06:24 AM »
How about using a magnetic wire for a coil. Have you tried sticking a magnet to just plain coil wire,,it wont stick. But what if a coil was made with a magnetic wire,,meaning the wire would stick to a magnet. The perhaps if it was used as a pickup of electricity as say a magnet passed by it,,the coil would not even need an iron metal rod inserted into it as coil pickups have. The coil itself would be its own iron insert.
This is the first one I found:
(It's a coil---antenna---that's a wire as well)

http://www.google.com/patents?id=uNt4AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=coil+electromagnet+antenna&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1880&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1940&num=100&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

I started a thread here...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7832.0

...and what you're looking for may be there.  There was a patent that was an antenna as a steel wire coiled into a circle, and then had a copper secondary wound over it to transmit signals.  It's there in the thread or at:

http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 01:55:29 AM »
How about using a magnetic wire for a coil. Have you tried sticking a magnet to just plain coil wire,,it wont stick. But what if a coil was made with a magnetic wire,,meaning the wire would stick to a magnet. The perhaps if it was used as a pickup of electricity as say a magnet passed by it,,the coil would not even need an iron metal rod inserted into it as coil pickups have. The coil itself would be its own iron insert.

This is the first one I found:
(It's a coil---antenna---that's a wire as well)

http://www.google.com/patents?id=uNt4AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=coil+electromagnet+antenna&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1880&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1940&num=100&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

I started a thread here...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7832.0

...and what you're looking for may be there.  There was a patent that was an antenna as a steel wire coiled into a circle, and then had a copper secondary wound over it to transmit signals.  It's there in the thread or at:

http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search
I finally stumbled onto the precise patent I was thinking of:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=fkdbAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

As I said, a transformer having a wound coil for a core.

REEDIT:
Here's another:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=ESJgAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=2412345&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=10&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

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« Last Edit: November 28, 2010, 02:16:14 AM by the_big_m_in_ok »

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 09:06:10 AM »
@big_m
What I meant was the actual wire that is used to make the coil, what if that wire was made out of a metal, that a magnet would stick to. For example like coils used in magnetic energy generators, that have a metal core in them, with wire wrapped around them. But if the wire itself was made of a metal, that a magnet would stick to, then no need for a metal core, as the coil itself would act as the metal core. Would this enhance electrical generation, guess one would have to try it to see.

Doug1

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 04:03:55 PM »
Can someone fix the formatting on this thread? One of you pasted your post from note pad and fouled up the works. Note pad ,the ultimate waste of space. Try word pad instead and set your margins to less then 3 feet.

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 04:08:51 PM »
Can someone fix the formatting on this thread? One of you pasted your post from note pad and fouled up the works. Note pad ,the ultimate waste of space. Try word pad instead and set your margins to less then 3 feet.

Notepad pastes plain text, word and word pad both create HTML IF the wysiwyg editor supports formatted pasting.

Back on topic - does anyone knwo what HHOforVolts is doing with his new super starship coil winding?

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKXtNhNPRU8&feature=sub

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 01:00:29 AM »
@big_m
What I meant was the actual wire that is used to make the coil, what if that wire was made out of a metal, that a magnet would stick to. For example like coils used in magnetic energy generators, that have a metal core in them, with wire wrapped around them. But if the wire itself was made of a metal, that a magnet would stick to, then no need for a metal core, as the coil itself would act as the metal core.
Well, if the coil was in the shape of a rod, it would have a North and South Pole, right?  Especially if the input leads were on opposite ends?
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Would this enhance electrical generation, guess one would have to try it to see.
If it was in the shape of a toroid, maybe?  The patent(s) indicate that signal transmission is maintained in integrity, so that might amount to something?  At least induction is directly proportional?  You might be right:  Experiment.

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Re: Share your coil designs
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2010, 05:53:17 AM »
Back on topic - does anyone knwo what HHOforVolts is doing with his new super starship coil winding?

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKXtNhNPRU8&feature=sub
I saw what he was trying to do without sound(no headphones at the time): A series of scope shots of possibly stepping up the BEMF frequency?

But all he showed was a breadboard of what might have been a solid state Bedini setup.

Other than that, without both the video or a circuit to look at as well, I don't know.

--Lee