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Author Topic: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction  (Read 23062 times)

Offline kmarinas86

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From a thread I posted elsewhere (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4299.msg199128#msg199128):

It is clear from the operation of capacitors that a displacement current creates a magnetic field with the same polarity as current going the same direction.

When displacement current forms, a curl of the B-field is generated to which the magnetic moments of copper (a diamagnetic material) attempts to cancels out. Because such a B-field can be made of such a magnitude to domineer over the magnetic dipole moments among neighboring copper atoms, the subatomic particles of those copper atoms will attempt to align their magnetic moment dipole axes in helical configurations in contrast to their typical random configurations. The change of configuration actually consumes potential energy by the formation of "paratoroidic (magnetic) moments" of copper (an as-yet-unconfirmed paramagnetic analogue of the experimentally validated "ferrotordic (magnetic) moment").

See timeline on verification of ferrotorodicity: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Hek&tbo=1&tbs=tl%3A1&q=ferrotoroidicity&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

By keeping the impedance of the back-spike larger (i.e. voltage higher and its current lower) than in the initial pulse, copper's reaction to the voltage back-spike can provide the same polarity of magnetic field as current going forwards. The back-voltage does dissipate after a while, and you are right when you say that, "This oscillation seems related to the length of the conductor and maybe other factors like self-inductance, self capacitance, insulation, wire diameter, etc."

So where does the energy come from to restore the potential energy lost via alignment of the paratoroidic (magnetic) moments? Certain frequencies of electromagnetic radiation get absorbed by the (PARAtoroidic) arrangements of magnetic moments in the copper atoms, in effect, restoring their potential energy. When some of the moments fall out of alignment, others will follow suit.

I do not see this a violation of any laws of thermodynamics. The 2nd law in particular says nothing about any "impossibility" of zones of decreasing entropy, nor is it disproven by the existence of self-organizing structures. Don't get me started on the 1st law, that is simply fact because we can always define a potential energy in reference to new energies discovered. And the 3rd law is about absolute zero....

The generation of frost in some failed operations of the Steven Mark TPU device can be explained by generation of excess magnetic fields. If you remember the fact that temperature is dependent on motion, it is clear that atoms locked in position as a result of mutual magnetic inductance have a lower temperature; this is obviously not the same as keeping a macroscopic object still! At some point, this temperature change can spur surrounding photons to make up the difference, restoring the atoms into their natural, random configuration.

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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 12:08:56 AM »
Wish I could understand and do something with it , kinda like the Bruce_TPU posts ...

Got any designs , schematics ?



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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 09:39:57 PM »
Wish I could understand and do something with it , kinda like the Bruce_TPU posts ...

Got any designs , schematics ?

The simplest case is the following:

+ _____________wire_____________mechanical switch_____________ -

Instructions:

When the switch is open, the voltage of the back-spike should be maximized while the current of the back-spike minimized. This means:
* The current should not have enough time during the pulse of the back-spike to respond fully to the voltage.
* The L/R constant of the wire should be high enough relative to the time of the pulse of the back-spike. That is what keeps the current low.

The anomalous output will be in the form of magnetic potential energy. The means of this are as follows:
* The back-spike produces an emf opposing the voltage source.
* The displacement current produced by this emf produces a B-field of opposite rotation around the wire as compared to current traveling from + to -.
* COPPER IS DIAMAGNETIC: It will act against the B-field of the back spike and produce its own B-field of opposite polarity. Copper, as any other diamagnetic material, has magnetic dipole moments among its subatomic particles. It is the alignment of these, to some noticeable degree, which uses potential energy.
* ENOUGH COPPER IS NEEDED: It is necessary to surpass the potential energy in the B-field of the backspike.
* COPPER WILL USE ITS POTENTIAL ENERGY AND OBTAIN A NEW EQUILIBRIUM: The only way out of this equilibrium is to absorb energy, just as energy is needed to separate two magnets.
* COPPER WILL ABSORB ENERGY FROM PHOTONS TO ESTABLISH THE ORIGINAL POTENTIAL: Just as what occurs when one removes neodymium magnet over an aluminum plate, the alignment of the copper atoms is lost WHEN there is a decline of the B-field within the material. The removal of the magnet from the aluminum plate does not demagnetize the aluminum plate, but rather it is the heat that absorbed by the material that dis-aligns the magnetic moments in aluminum plate, which in turn demagnetizes it.
* MUTUAL INDUCTANCE IS NECESSARY TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD: It increases the amount of energy in photons necessary to dis-align the atoms in the copper wire.
* COPPER WILL BE COLDER AS IT USES THIS POTENTIAL ENERGY: As long as magnetic dipole moments of the subatomic particles of copper are locked in the formations which produce the circular magnetic field, they will have lower temperature.

In the TPU device, the control coils are what utilize this form of energy. The magnetic field generated by the control coils is parallel to the collector coils. The electrons absorb this energy in the process and will tend to move in spirals in the wire. Thus, magnetic potential energy is stored between the spiraling electrons in the wire and this allows sound-like waves of potential energy to transfer between electrons in ways not corresponding directly to their speed down the wire.
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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 08:14:48 PM »
"Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction

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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 11:42:16 AM »
It's very interesting and quite possible I think, but to let others understand you need to describe it in steps , each one on separate picture.
Later you can explain resonance in quite similar way because it is proven that odd harmonics take energy from stationary magnetic field, in our case from Earth magnetosphere.

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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 12:44:19 PM »
It's very interesting and quite possible I think, but to let others understand you need to describe it in steps , each one on separate picture.
Later you can explain resonance in quite similar way because it is proven that odd harmonics take energy from stationary magnetic field, in our case from Earth magnetosphere.

yes

could you explain with more detail

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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 08:10:51 PM »
It's very interesting and quite possible I think, but to let others understand you need to describe it in steps , each one on separate picture.

Picture and Microsoft Word File Attached.

Copper Potential Energy Quantum.doc
Copper Potential Energy Quantum.png
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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2009, 09:38:24 PM »
Later you can explain resonance in quite similar way because it is proven that odd harmonics take energy from stationary magnetic field, in our case from Earth magnetosphere.

I think the reason why odd harmonics are special in these alleged OU devices is not because they are harmonicsî ºit is because when they are put together they form electrical signals that produce more reactive power. Superimposing sine waves in this case are only a means to that end, that is, to generate waves where voltage can lead the current, and vise-versa. In the system I described, which claims that there is alignment of subatomic magnetic moments, voltage must be set up to lead the current to an extraordinary degree. This can be done by using a spark gap or some other method such as the implementation of odd harmonics.

I believe that the Steven Mark TPU device causes electrons in the collector coils to heat up accelerating them into two opposite directions, according to the orientation of each electron's magnetic dipole moment with respect to the magnetic field polarity of the control coils. This creates a pressure disturbance that is more along the length of the collector coil than in any other direction. However, because of the firing of control coil segments in quadrature fashion, some of these electrons will be pulled in the direction of the firing sequence, while the electrons being pushed the opposite direction will be accelerated for a brief period and will thus have a lower duty cycle. This will in fact create a net directional movement of electrons.

According to my hypotheses, the air at some further distance from the TPU will be colder, but closer to the TPU device it will be noticeably hot. Thus, the phenomenon of cold current/cold electricity/radiant energy used by the device is obscured as a result of the formation of "a queue of heat convection". This "queue of heat convection" is the plague of these devices, which even Steven Mark couldn't solve. The "queue of heat convection" is the heat emitted by the TPU device which was previously absorbed by the control coils of the device through the process of cold current/cold electricity/radiant energy, which is then remitted by the heat losses in the collector coils and can be redelivered to the control coils via air convection currents. However, removing the air convection currents does not save the Steven Mark TPU from meltdown because the electrons going in opposite direction to the firing sequence may still contribute to the heat inside the coil, power which does nothing to help increase total power output. Given the way the Steven Mark TPU is built, heat generated in the collector coils can conduct back into the control coils, disrupting the control coil firings' ability to maintain the phenomenon of cold current/cold electricity/radiant energy, which must be remedied by a control circuit. However, the heat remains built up, and it is eventually too much to bear for the control coils. The TPU device will never get off the ground as long as these "queues of heat convection" build up too much under load. Thermal insulation between the control coils and collectors coils will be needed to some extent to prevent this from occurring. Refrigeration is also an option to consider, but that is probably more expensive and inefficient.

I do not believe the performance of the Steven Mark device is dependent directly on the magnetic field of the earth. There may be correlations between the magnetic field of the earth and the temperature in the laboratory, since they are both affected by what is going on in the sun.
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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 09:25:44 AM »
  Water is a great converter of infrared energy into thermal energy.  Cold current is cold because it feels cold.  The human being radiates energy in the infrared spectrum.  This conversion of potential energy stored in the water of our bodies is sensed by the brain and we feel cold.  Around high potential electric fields cold current insues.  A condition exists whereby there is increased radiation of infrared photons towards the high potential electric field.  This is not free energy it is conversion of thermal energy into electrical energy.  I believe that a high potential field causes ionization of any neutral atoms present in the field.  The energy required to ionize the neutral atoms needs to be input.  A high potential pulse acts as a catalyst in the endothermic reaction.  Once ionized the plasma formed displays a negatively charged face.  By this I mean free electrons sheath the positive ions.  The space where there was once randomized molecular vibrations and boatloads of thermal photons emitted and reabsorbed by the electrons of the matter contained within that space is now ordered.  There is little or no radiation of any type from this cold space.  Thermal photons caught in the matter now convert to plasma currents or kinetic energy of the electron sheath of the plasma.  A stable plasma configuration can exist and we cant see it because there is no radiation from it.  I think some people call them a black hole.  Light doesnt escape because it is converted into the mhd currents within the  plasma mattter.  The electrons absorb photons but are accelerated.  There is no synchrotron or thermal radiation because there is no deacceleration of the currents.  Just acceleration.  Enough acceleration and density and the plasma can begin to pinch the positively charged cores so that they fuse.  The conversion of mass to energy results in excess thermal energy in the core of the plasma.  This is absorbed by the sheaths to some extent but begins to create chaos in the sheath currents.   Currents begin to deaccelerate collisions transfer of momentum and the plasma begins to glow.  The big ones even explode now and again and a whole new galaxy perhaps an inflating universe is formed.   

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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2013, 11:24:03 PM »
The directions of the magnetic fields in the above diagrams are depicted backwards. In the attached image is a comprehensive array of rules that apply to both "conventional current" (consisting of + charges) and "electron current" (consisting of - charges).

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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 07:51:16 AM »
There are two ideas in the previous post that will lead to confusion.

1.  There is only a right hand rule, there is no left hand rule.  It doesn't matter if it's conventional current or electron current, you still point your thumb in the direction of the conventional current to see the direction for the magnetic field lines.

2.  The fingers don't represent the "circular orientation of the north pole."  That's a concept that doesn't make sense, there is no orientation for a north pole or a south pole when you look at the magnetic field around a wire.  The magnetic field around a wire is the classic example illustrating how there is no true north pole or south pole.  There are just magnetic field lines that have a direction and travel in closed loops.


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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 12:03:30 PM »
It makes sence that there would be a left hand and right hand ruel,as although one wire may be of a positive potential,its a mater of wether you are drawing from it,or sending power to it-so although positive,the current would be flowing in a different direction,depending on circumstance.
And as the above link show's-the motor and generator.

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Re: "Cold current" may be caused by novel magnetic subatomic interaction
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2013, 02:29:08 PM »
CdL:

Yes, you can always find a string of text if you do a search that makes it sound like you are making a point.  Do you see anything in the graphic in reply #10 about motors and generators?  The answer is you don't.

The discussion is about the magnetic field in a wire, and in that context there is only a right hand rule.

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