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Author Topic: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model  (Read 346891 times)

MileHigh

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #195 on: November 08, 2009, 09:49:03 PM »
You de man, Tinu.  There is something about if you do a line integral around any arbitrary closed loop in an unchanging magnetic field - when you get back to where you started your net energy gain is zero.  However, depending on where you are on the loop, you may be sitting in a position of positive or negative magnetic potential energy.  If you travel from Point A to Point B on the loop, you may experience a net energy gain, or a net energy loss - it all depends what part of the loop you are on and in what direction you are travelling.  Pretty magical things those line integrals.  A little bit of calculus applied to the real physical world can go a long way towards enlightenment and understanding of how things work.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2009, 03:07:29 AM by MileHigh »

Asymatrix

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #196 on: November 09, 2009, 05:11:14 AM »
The idea that the shifting weight of the servo magnet contributes to the net gain seems wrong for one simple reason. The 'arm' of the servo magnet assembly is turning opposite to the direction the pendulum arm is swinging. If anything, one would think it would decrease momentum slightly. No?

Cloxxki

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #197 on: November 09, 2009, 08:00:50 AM »
Stand on the edge of the street curb, until you tip over. See which way you swing your arms :-)

Asymatrix

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #198 on: November 09, 2009, 01:03:21 PM »
Stand on the edge of the street curb, until you tip over. See which way you swing your arms :-)

Throwing your arms back increases the momentum of the fall? Don't think so.

WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #199 on: November 09, 2009, 04:36:37 PM »
@Powercat,
I’m still working at the turbine. The weight of turning the stator is some thing I have to overcome hopefully without scaling the YOG.

@Tinu,
Your response is typical.
Rest assure that I’m educated in multi-discipline.

@Asymatrix,
I would like other members to give that question a shot.  :)

Regards
Howard

synchro1

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Output turbine stator.
« Reply #200 on: November 09, 2009, 06:06:21 PM »
Howard.
I think you are expecting way much more power out of the YOG than the YOG can deliver. Positioning an output coil directly beneath the base of the Pendulum under a very strong Neo' that rocked overhead, would recover all the output the Yog can deliver. Imagine how much power it would take for that same coil and magnet to pulse the pendulum the additional distance the magnet track sends it. It's not going to amount to very much. Way less then you need to run a turbine stator and recover power. You would have to run the YOG for long periods of time, and store the power just to light a small bulb.   

tinu

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #201 on: November 09, 2009, 06:45:53 PM »
You de man, Tinu.  There is something about if you do a line integral around any arbitrary closed loop in an unchanging magnetic field - when you get back to where you started your net energy gain is zero.  However, depending on where you are on the loop, you may be sitting in a position of positive or negative magnetic potential energy.  If you travel from Point A to Point B on the loop, you may experience a net energy gain, or a net energy loss - it all depends what part of the loop you are on and in what direction you are travelling.  Pretty magical things those line integrals.  A little bit of calculus applied to the real physical world can go a long way towards enlightenment and understanding of how things work.

Indeed! Isn’t that magical … the language of science is the same all over the word. A couple of equations, few sentences and voila: light for everyone, be it the end-road signal or the start of a great path.
Yet, I’m reluctant of even mentioning line integrals inhere. I mean, there are so many indoctrinated followers that venerate their leaders, leaders that imho are no more than social parasites (although modern ones) and those are the few of them. ;) Most are simply crooks.

Let’s see: how the nasty concept of “line integrals” can be avoided? Hmmm… how about the following?
“They” say that traveling along a magnetic closed loop can result in a net energy gain. Science says it is not so. “They” say science may be wrong or incomplete. Science says it can live with that but it demands irrefutable proofs and it warns that according to everything we know in the present, it is most unlikely being the way “they” wish it to be. Proofs never show up. Gurus of magnetic free-energy say to “them”: “show me the money and keep persevering (fools)”. I suspect the bracket is whispered when counting their money made from movies, DVDs, booklets, plans, magnets, parts, kits, interviews, meetings, seminars, sold advertisements, sponsors, donations, investments, ‘research grants’, per-diems,  etc. etc. etc. 

Now, having the picture portrayed, I have no problems assuming that one of “them” is building a device that generates energy by moving an ultra-special part of a rotor (made of magnavorite, of course) around a closed loop, in a unchanging magnetic field. Great! Hurray!!! Magnetic free energy has been finally obtained!!! But wait a second: a humble electron moving along the same closed path feels his energy is growing. He then feels energetic an independent; he decides to leave the atom. Oh, no: a second electron sees the first one and he leaves too. What?!  :o Protons syndicate goes on strike?! Protons leave the nucleus? Huh?  ??? There is no nucleus anymore. And… and…where is the inventor?!!! Oh, I see: he’s somewhere around!  ;D
Hopefully that piece of magnavorite affects the universe (I mean the ‘damn line integral’ value) just locally, otherwise it would be no universe any longer.

What do you think MileHigh?
I admit it’s a much longer explanation but can it be a good substitute for when and where the original does not work?

Thanks for your post,
Best regards
Tinu

exnihiloest

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #202 on: November 10, 2009, 09:42:50 AM »
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@Exnihiloest,

It’s not a question of faith when reasoning is involved.

Surely you read neither Thomas d'Aquin nor Augustin.
You never read the "proofs" of creationists.
"Reasoning" is also used in all religions and sects. A false reasoning is yet a reasoning.

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Changing the design to prove it doesn’t work is not grounds for argument. You just proving your way is wrong.
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Howard

Your reply is not even a reasoning. Where is science?
My purpose was just a suggestion because you presented no evidence.
If you have other means to prove your claim of overunity, you are free to use and show them. Until now and for the reasons I have already mentionned, the evidence is that you have nothing, like hundreds of PMM builders who claimed for 20 years the same not working things as you.

This explains why you did not quote the part where I said that you have to rotate the mobile magnet outside of the magnetic field of the track otherwise you do work against the magnetic field and it is this energy from the motor that is then recovered and leads to the acceleration of the magnet. It is clear you are not comfortable about science and technical arguments.






Asymatrix

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #203 on: November 10, 2009, 11:17:21 AM »
Perhaps it would be possible to position some sort of spring or rubber bumper at the end of the cycle to give it an extra kick. It might not be beneficial, as the arm moves relatively slowly, but if that could be utilized, the momentum might build on itself with each rotation.

markdansie

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #204 on: November 10, 2009, 01:53:11 PM »
I just popped in and saw this thread still going. I thought it would be finished already given the number of well respected and qualified members of this forum who have reached a concensus there is nothing here.
However, I do see we have some Johny come latelies who feel words can out smart science.
PS Teslaalnet, you never answered my questions re you past experience, qualifications and who you are. I was so kind to give you lengthy details to your questions and even had some members back up my claims with their experience with me. (when you were trying to shoot me down)
Just being silent doesn't help.
The forum is a place where everyone is welcome. I always pronounce my lack of expertise in areas where I am not qualified and listed to those who do. However no ammount of wistful thinking or delusional arguments will make something come true.
So hoping to hear from you soon
Kind Regards
Mark

WilbyInebriated

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #205 on: November 10, 2009, 02:02:22 PM »
I just popped in and saw this thread still going. I thought it would be finished already given the number of well respected and qualified members of this forum who have reached a concensus there is nothing here.
wow, you think your opinion carries that much weight? ::)

Asymatrix

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #206 on: November 10, 2009, 02:10:49 PM »
This explains why you did not quote the part where I said that you have to rotate the mobile magnet outside of the magnetic field of the track otherwise you do work against the magnetic field and it is this energy from the motor that is then recovered and leads to the acceleration of the magnet. It is clear you are not comfortable about science and technical arguments.

It looks to me like the servo magnet is turned well outside the magnetic field of the top track.

markdansie

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #207 on: November 10, 2009, 08:07:53 PM »
wow, you think your opinion carries that much weight? ::)
No, and that is my point. We are all equals here, but it seems some (teslaalnet) feels he has the right to question others about qualifications, backgrounds etc, yet portraying something he isnt. As you know many people here are very more qualified than other to pass comment and have credability. I think you must have read my eresponse wrong as I stated I am always happy to plead my ignorance and expertise, an that is to put my opinion in perspective.
So lets ask you the same question, do you think your opinion counts and why?
Finally , credability is everything, who are you going to listen too? Those who claim and support everything to this forum will work and everyone who disagrees is MIB, works for the oil companies or should be excumunicated. Or are you going to listen to the people with the experience and qualifications to offer informed opinion?
I am not writing this as a defence to your question but more as a question to the wider issues your questions raise.
Outside this forum , who do you think will be asked by investors or to assist in getting a project going ...the ones that call wolf everytime, or those who use reason and logic.
Kind regards
Mark

norman6538

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replicated the simple pendulum swing enhancement principle
« Reply #208 on: November 12, 2009, 08:49:30 PM »
I was able to replicate the simple enhancement magnet mechanism with
a simple pendulum. The stationary magnet flat and below the pendulum
magnet with north up and the pendulum magnet vertical with north to the
right of the swing where it travels 1/8 inch further with the magnets compared
to the stock pendulum swing without any magnets.

This is similar to my work here where the pendulum swings higher than
its dropped point.
http://student.ccbcmd.edu/~norman/magwork.html

So if we switched the stationary magnet polarity on each swing it might continue on its own.

Norman

markdansie

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #209 on: November 13, 2009, 12:28:51 AM »
@Norman
good work. That is a good way of looking at it in that rather rotating the swinging magnet reversing the polarity of the fixed. Great idea and good lateral thinking. Would be interesting to see (even if you manually rotate it at this stage) if it got an accumilated gain on each swing
Kind Regards
mark