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Author Topic: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model  (Read 163677 times)

Offline WattBuilder

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2009, 09:02:47 AM »
If you think the magnet array is the key, then your whole giant oscillating pendulum-lever assembly is just an energy-neutral "carrier." 

I’m not sure what you meant by an energy-neutral “carrier” ?
If you mean that the YOG is just carrying energy neutrally over, for example transfer from point “A” to point “B”.
Then that’s not too bad either

What I’m getting at is permanent magnets under normal conditions lose 1% of its energy strength every year. So the magnets will eventually out live my life span.
In the “carrier” point of view, the YOG becomes a magnet energy extractor. Harvesting energy from the magnets to carry over to the output of the YOG.
In that case the YOG allows magnets to become a Super Battery, point "A".
Then if true, the YOG has merit and becomes the first magnet energy extractor in history.

Surprisingly I had a lot of fun typing that.

What you see in that clip is nothing more than magnetic potential energy being converted into kinetic energy.  It's all about the position where you place the car on the track.  It's your hands that are supplying the energy that eventually becomes the moving car on the track and nothing else.  The magnets are as dead as doornails, all the energy comes from where YOU placed the car.  If you could see that then it could be a done deal.

Let see if I got that right.
So all the energy comes from my hands that will eventually becomes the moving car on the track.
Now lets compare that to the YOG.
·   My hands are replaced with the lever.
·   The track is the magnetic ramp array.
·   The car becomes the drive magnet on top of the lever

So what puts the drive magnet into the ramp array so that it can take off?
Answer is gravity from the counter balance pushing the drive magnet into the array.

Do you see my point of view ?
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2009, 05:36:40 AM »
Howard:

An "energy-neutral carrier" - the whole device is a pendulum that can oscillate back and forth.  You can store some energy in a swinging pendulum but the pendulum is not a source of energy itself.  The energy in a pendulum goes back and forth between kinetic energy (movement) and potential energy (height).

"The YOG becomes a magnet energy extractor" - that's why I suggest that you try to prove this first on your desk.  It would be simpler and easier.  Thousands have tried before you to no avail.

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Let see if I got that right.
So all the energy comes from my hands that will eventually becomes the moving car on the track.
Now lets compare that to the YOG.
·   My hands are replaced with the lever.
·   The track is the magnetic ramp array.
·   The car becomes the drive magnet on top of the lever

So what puts the drive magnet into the ramp array so that it can take off?
Answer is gravity from the counter balance pushing the drive magnet into the array.

Do you see my point of view ?

No, because it is really your muscle power supplying the energy and that's not in your analogy.  Pushing the car into place is like compressing an invisible spring.  That's a very very accurate way of describing what's happening.  The math is identical.  Everybody knows that springs are not sources of energy, they just store energy.

You can't use gravity to create energy either, it's just a fact of life.

MileHigh


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2009, 09:18:17 AM »
No, because it is really your muscle power supplying the energy and that's not in your analogy.  Pushing the car into place is like compressing an invisible spring.  That's a very very accurate way of describing what's happening.  The math is identical.  Everybody knows that springs are not sources of energy, they just store energy.

MileHigh
I think I understand now, why you don’t think the YOG will work.
You’re probably thinking that the magnetic array works some thing like this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLKiasJrN1s
Here you can see your invisible spring as the hand pushes the car into place that you are talking about. The wood moves.

You’re confusing that with the HJ track.

The real goal is to come into the array and out the array without resistance. That’s the hard part.

The HJ track works differently, it allows the train to come in and out without hardly any resistance. That’s why his work was so popular.

Here are some video’s that show it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHbp2uQaXW8
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWGxmnCRMs

Do you see the merits of the YOG now  :-\


Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2009, 02:14:08 PM »
exnihiloest

Sounds like you made up your mind.
Also reading some of your post. It looks like your going around bashing other people’s hard work.

It is not a question of hard work. It is a question of results.
A hard work is not a free energy proof.

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So I’ll play along with you……. What part of my device troubles you?

Not one troubles me. That is the reason why I say you do not get FE. All are conventional, including your explanations.

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Oh and by the way save the smoke screen talk.   
I never said force is work.

Are you sure you have an understanding of how my device works?

It does not work.
When I asked "What let you think that the energy your system could provide will be more than this one consumed by the actuators?", you replied about forces and lever. It was not the point, forces are conserved by a lever and force is not work.

 


 








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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2009, 11:08:52 PM »
When I asked "What let you think that the energy your system could provide will be more than this one consumed by the actuators?", you replied about forces and lever. It was not the point, forces are conserved by a lever and force is not work.

exnihiloest,
There is a combination of different features of the YOG that makes it possible, some are:
Lever, Pendulum, Counterbalance circumference and Actuator.

But I’ll try to answer your question in a way for you to understand better. It sounds like your focus is on the actuator.

Lets take a look at one cycle of the YOG and actuator.
Here you have a servo that gets energized for about one second to change it’s orientation 180 degrees pointing towards the magnetic array. Once the orientation has been achieved the servo de-energize. Theirs no more input electricity into the YOG at this point.

After de-energizing, gravity then pushes the counterbalance lever’s top portion. Which is the drive magnet into the mouth of the magnetic array.

The array then sucks it in and the magnets repulsive push will travel the drive magnet out the other end.
Kinetic energy then returns the cycle at that point.

One way to view this is Time.
The time for electricity to turn the orientation 180 degrees pointing towards the magnetic array.

Is less then,
 
The time of travel through the magnetic array that will allow the YOG to generate electricity during travel.

Basically time of consumption is less than time production.

It was not the point, forces are conserved by a lever and force is not work.

We’ll if you look at it that way ?
Then it’s back to what MileHigh pointed out about an energy-neutral “carrier”.
What I’m getting at is permanent magnets under normal conditions lose 1% of its energy strength every year. So the magnets will eventually out live my life span.
In the “carrier” point of view, the YOG becomes a magnet energy extractor. Harvesting energy from the magnets to carry over to the output of the YOG.
In that case the YOG allows magnets to become a Super Battery, point "A".
Then if true, the YOG has merit and becomes the first magnet energy extractor in history.

More out then in.   Free Energy is still achieved.


Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2009, 12:27:45 PM »
exnihiloest,
There is a combination of different features of the YOG that makes it possible, some are:
Lever, Pendulum, Counterbalance circumferenc...

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The time of travel through the magnetic array that will allow the YOG to generate electricity during travel.

Basically time of consumption is less than time production.

We’ll if you look at it that way ?
Then it’s back to what MileHigh pointed out about an energy-neutral “carrier”.
More out then in.

I asked for measurements or at least calculi, not for blah.
So if we are not in the domain of science, but in that of faith, you can count me out.

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   Free Energy is still achieved.

Yes of course. And Allah is great as others say with the same certainty.


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2009, 12:51:39 AM »
exnihiloest,
Leaving so fast?
You already made up your mind, in the beginning anyway. You did not ask for measurements or calculi. Check your post.

Seems like you entered in bashing without open to hear the science.

Besides, who are you to make any demands?

Nevertheless, I believe my invention has merit and I owe it to the generations that will fallow, to be aware of this method.

Is their anyone reading these posts see the merits of the YOG?


Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2009, 08:31:36 PM »
For those of you who want to calculate the physics and math for yourselves. You can compare a “see-saw trebuchet fix hinged”, to one cycle of a YOG in action.

A trebuchet is kind of catapult that uses a counterweight to supply the energy for throwing a projectile. It was used during the Medieval Times to destroy castles

When transferring the variables of the YOG to a trebuchet. One may calculate it in the reverse order of a trebuchet.
1.   Value of the drive magnetic on top of the lever = the projectile mass.
2.   Value of the repulsive magnetic ramp array = the projectile acceleration.
3.   Value of the pendulum counterweight = the counterweight for throwing projectile.

Once the value for the pendulum counterweight is achieved. You can convert that to figure to the amount of RPM and torque needed to turn a turbine.

The circumference in the lower part of the YOG plays an important role too. That circumference allows for physical transfer to the turbine or dyno.

For example the YOG, produces about 150 RPM with a 15lbs weight in a one swing.

Find a low drag turbine and look at its rating or chart to see what amount of electricity it will produce.

While your looking for a turbine’s chart, find a low power servo that will orientate the drive magnet and find a low power micro controller that will tell the servo when to turn. Your local hobby store should carry them.

You will see the difference in the input and output.  Free Energy through YOG.  ;)

Here’s a link that has trebuchet formulas.

http://www.algobeautytreb.com/trebmath35.pdf

I hope this analogy helps the readers understand better.


Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2009, 12:34:18 AM »
Howard,

I am not going to debate the merits of your design with you myself.  I think that you are going to have to prove it for youself.  I looked at the clips you pointed to.  In the Bedini clip you can clearly see the person pushing the car back up the track and "compressing" the invisible spring.  Poor old Bedini backed Mylow when there was zero evidence to do that.

You appear to be a long ways away from measuring energy in vs. energy out but that's the only thing that counts.  It does not look easy to do for your setup either.

I will just repeat my suggestion from before:  Give yourself one more year to produce tangible results and if you have nothing after one year then drop the project and move on.

It is crystal clear to me that what you are doing is without merit, you are chasing after a pipe dream.  I know that you will disagree hence my suggestion for the one-year time limit.

MileHigh

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 01:17:53 AM »
Hi WattBuilder.

I have placed some questions about your YOG in the pic. please give a description of what they are and what they are supposed to do.

I simulated your YOG on Working Model 2D software but it doesn't seem to work so I need to clear up those questions.

If it doesn't work with Working Model 2D I will attempt to simulate it on Silux 2D.

Generators with moving parts are very inefficient and breakdown and are noisy, it is the generators with no moving parts that are the next step in technological evolution.

Jerry :)

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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2009, 03:28:53 AM »
Hi onthecuttingedge2005,
Cool….  you have a simulator…..  I wasn’t able to get my hands on one of those.
As you can see I’m terrible at drawing.  :-\

The two things that you are pointing to is the actuator, which will be used on the YOG.
One method is to apply a Howard Johnson magnetic linear track used as an actuator.

It is compose of three parts.
1.   The umbrella looking thing is the HJ track.
2.   The drum like thing represents the train that will point into the track.
3.   Under the drum or train that I did not draw will be a servo that will rotate only 180 degrees. To point the north pole face towards the HJ track.

Once the train/drum enters into the track the magnetic array that is part of the HJ track will drive it thru until out the other end. Once out the other end, the servo turns again and repeats the cycle again.

Here is a link to the HJ track video.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRrCZiM1CU

Here you can see him using a Fish Scale to weigh the train while the train is in the gate.
In the video you can hear him say that its pulling 12 to 14 pounds and see the scale at 12 pounds.

It’s almost like grabbing the top of the lever and pushing at 12 pounds to a length out of the gates.

Generators with moving parts are very inefficient and breakdown and are noisy, it is the generators with no moving parts that are the next step in technological evolution.

I like solar I think every home should have at least one solar device. It will almost take everything that we can throw at it to solve the harm mankind has already done to the earth. Especially when the earth has ice sheets braking off in the size of states.
 

Howard

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2009, 08:59:57 AM »
exnihiloest,
Leaving so fast?

Sorry, I'm not a devot and don't believe the gurus.

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You did not ask for measurements or calculi. Check your post.

I asked :
"What let you think that the energy your system could provide will be more than this one consumed by the actuators?"
but you did not understand it because this simple idea of measurement, calculus and proof is outside your mind.


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I believe my invention has merit
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Is their anyone reading these posts see the merits of the YOG?

I'm sure you will get many other memberships and ignorant bigots to support this new "science". It will be just a bit more noise in the FE domain.
Good luck.









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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2009, 08:50:29 AM »
That’s was absolutely hilarious !!!    :D

WOW !!!
 
Well, I wasn’t expecting everybody to understand.
For some it may be frustrating and for some not so much.

For those who are building the Yu Oscillating Generator “YOG”.
You may notice the oscillating swings gets larger and larger. This acceleration of momentum will eventually cause the lever to touch the floor for example.

So one may need to install, depending on your scale “end stops” to limit the swing range.
You can use springs or dampers or sock absorbers to absorb some of the kinetic energy.


Howard

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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2009, 11:15:20 PM »
Hi Jim,
True, humans are subjected to conditioning. For some when their beliefs and reality comes into conflict, fear kicks in and tend to justify their way onto others. Especially Change.
Change is good but never easy without it we can’t evolve.

As with what I've been working on, I have taken a lot of criticism. There have been some that found it and the science interesting.

The Yu Oscillating Generator “YOG” took me tons of hard work and criticism before I was able to get to this point. So I can understand how you feel. I think you are on to something with your overbalance wheel.

I believe you are on the right direction when you mentioned the “drinking Bird” Who says we can’t use temperature to turn a wheel. Currently everyday temperature is used to effect mass.
One example is heating a seized bolt to release it. Another is a thermostat used in homes to turn on a switch for an air condition unit.

I way you can have your wheel turn is adapting the “Drinking Bird” onto your wheel. Here is a suggestion and picture that may work for you.

You can use the sunlight to heat the mercury that will affect your wheel’s gravity.


Howard



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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2009, 07:10:26 AM »
Jim,
I don’t really see it and I’m not afraid to admit it.

But, your drawing to me almost looks like a playground swing set. The child will extend his/her legs towards the momentum to unbalance the swing. The child’s legs is the rolling ball counterweight and the child is on the lever instead of the bob.

On the YOG the drive magnet on top of the lever adds weight. I notice the lever ratio compare to the weights does effect the speed of the swing. 

Well it’s an interesting point of view.

Howard

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