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Author Topic: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model  (Read 183612 times)

Offline Asymatrix

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #120 on: October 30, 2009, 10:14:05 PM »
Markdanise, how do you figure it could show the clear gain we see with each pass, without the magnet array? He stops the servo at one point and it starts to slow down, then engages the servo and we see the gain increase.

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Offline spoondini

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #121 on: October 30, 2009, 10:40:00 PM »
You just made the point, shifting servo equals gain.  Servo stops, yog stops.  Must be eliminated before we can assume the magnet array causes 'continuous' gain.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #122 on: October 31, 2009, 01:12:26 AM »
Just for fun I will take another crack at this.

Adminonduty's clip is actually showing you proof that magnets are not a source of energy.  The reason for this is that you have to go through a closed loop to check for any net energy gain or loss in a magnetic field.  In his clip if you go one way it appears that you gain energy, and if you go the other way it appears that you loose energy.  But the rule says that you have to do a complete loop, and in this case you have to go one way and then back to complete the loop, and then you get a net zero gain in energy.

The same thing applies to Howard's setup.  If you think that the system is gaining in energy in one direction, then you can do the following thought experiment:  Flip the whole setup so that it is horizontal and imagine that the arms are strong and stay straight.  Now you don't even have to flip the magnet at the end of the arm around if the array really is giving you energy.

If you do this horizontal setup you know that you have eliminated gravity from the equation.  Therefore if you are gaining energy as you go through the array in one direction, then why not just let the arm keep rotating all the way around so that it can come back for another pass through the magnetic array to pick up even more energy?

The answer is that this will not happen, the magnet at the end of the arm will have gone through a closed loop and there will be no net gain in energy.  There is just no escaping this reality.  Even if you can make a perfect mechanism to rotate the magnet at the end of the arm in Howard's actual setup, just the process of rotating the magnet will require energy, as anyone knows when they try to push two magnets together when the same poles are facing each other.

Therefore, the perceived energy gain that you can get by flipping the magnet around at the end of each swing will be canceled out by the energy required to turn the magnet around because you will be fighting against the magnetic field produced by the array.

Howard's setup is a mechanical resonator, just like an LC oscillator, a.k.a. a tank circuit.  A fixed amount of energy is put into the system and then oscillates back and forth between gravitational potential energy (M x G x h) and rotational energy (1/2 Moment_of_inertia x angular_velocity-squared).

Sitting on top of the operation of this oscillator is the magnetic array that acts like a "disturbance torque" that is acting on the swinging pendulum.  This disturbance torque is a function of the angle of the pendulum and can be measured at any point in the swing.  The disturbance torque either accelerates the swing or slows down the swing, it all depends what angle you are at and which direction the swing is going in.

When you look at a full swing, back and forth, you are going through the closed loop that I referred to above.  The net energy gain or loss in the rotational energy of the pendulum after you go through a full swing back and forth is zero.

It seems like everyone agrees that the servo and the unbalanced weight are adding energy.  Therefore the added energy from the servo actions are sitting on top of everything that I just described above.

What that means is that if you set the pendulum swinging and you time the servo system properly, you will see roughly the same increase in the swing angle of the pendulum with or without the magnetic array in place.

I probably won't post again on this thread, I think I covered all the bases here.  I will just repeat the same advice I gave to Howard a while back:  Give yourself one year to get something tangible and if you can't after one year then quit the project and move on to something else.  Many people would tell you that there is no point in spending five or six years chasing after a dream that will never materialize.

MileHigh

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #123 on: October 31, 2009, 06:27:26 AM »

@Synchro1,
Yup, that sounds like it may work too.

Cheers,
Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


@Spoondini,
I may have to go after that title too.
Just looking around at all these routes and possibilities. How can any rational man not see the finish line?


Btw, the YOG takes longer to stop because it’s transferring out the magnetic energy.

Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


@Powercat
No not yet. I’m still fighting with building this turbine. I need to see what kind of watts I currently have with this test YOG. I may have already achieved OU with it? The servo is currently using 1.3 watts for 2 seconds per each cycle.
I wish I can just order one of those ironless generators instead of trying to build one from local store parts.

Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #124 on: October 31, 2009, 06:35:40 AM »
@MileHigh,

We’ll I guess that was it!

Your final attempt and greatest argument that you can come up with.

So you’re claiming that the one cycle YOG video does not show gain energy from the magnetic array. That is lifting 12lbs of weight higher then without the magnets.

We’ll everybody he just proved he is an official TROLL.

The same thing applies to Howard's setup.  If you think that the system is gaining in energy in one direction, then you can do the following thought experiment:  Flip the whole setup so that it is horizontal and imagine that the arms are strong and stay straight.  Now you don't even have to flip the magnet at the end of the arm around if the array really is giving you energy.

If you do this horizontal setup you know that you have eliminated gravity from the equation.  Therefore if you are gaining energy as you go through the array in one direction, then why not just let the arm keep rotating all the way around so that it can come back for another pass through the magnetic array to pick up even more energy?

Humm……. Take away the gravity from a pendulum ?

Humm……. Flip the device over horizontal?

It’s like claiming you debunk Howard’s car doesn’t run anymore, buy flipping his car over.  LOL

Then you debate the YOG as a Magnetic Rotory Motor? This is the best you can do? Your not even close.
 
Even if you can show a video with just a top offset weighted lever reaching the same point as my Proof of gain video.

You can never challenge the extra cycles that the array gets over no array.

Then on top of that even more… by some miracle if you can match the cycles. You still can’t match the speed and time vs no array.

Bottom line your whole case is based on theory and mine are from tests I preformed.


Howard
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk


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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #124 on: October 31, 2009, 06:35:40 AM »
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #125 on: October 31, 2009, 06:43:15 AM »
@Asymatrix
Spoondini answered this better than I can. It is a process of elimination. If we get the same effect without the magnetic array then you can atribute the gain to the servo shifting the weight. If not then we can assume the magnetic array is indeed doing its job. I suspect it is a bit of both.
The other alternative is to have the magnet attached to the servo on a equal axis so no weight shift occurs. Either way it will be interesting to see the result.
Mark

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #126 on: October 31, 2009, 06:49:48 AM »
@Markdansie,
Sorry dude, I’m not going to do it. You’re just going to have to wait.

As for challenging my creditability. Your own creditability is now in jeopardy. Your looking desperate for challenging mine.

Just because your own team on a high horse decided not show up and damaging your creditability doesn’t mean you have to come after mine. You’re the one looking bad, not me a bit.

Respectfully Speaking,
Howard Yu
YOG Gain Video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq5r08eqgsk

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Offline markdansie

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #127 on: October 31, 2009, 06:55:02 AM »
@Milehigh,
thank you for your explanation and after my many years observing and building magnetic devices I have to agree with what you said.
@WattBuilder
Howards car never ran in a closed loop situation. Milehigh is no Troll and you seem to be aoiding what everyone is asking here.
1. You need to do the test without the magnetic array and or
2. have your servo rotate the magnet without shifting the weight to give a bias. I am not sure why you do not seem to agree that this has to be done to eliminate any doubts that the weight shift could be the reason for the whole gain.
Many people here have a genuine interest in seeing these results and it better to cover all the basis why you can before going to the wider public or the scientific community.
I remember seeing a motor I assisted in building actually self start when we pulled the stator in. It build up a good speed only to eventually slow down. had me fooled for a while until I realised that the energy used to bring the stator in actually provided the power.
I have never seen a magnetic device where it could be closed looped or flow through a set of magnets (smot type set up) where the gain could be captured and put to use.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #128 on: October 31, 2009, 08:43:09 AM »
@Wattbuilder
I have no concern over my reputation, I am not making the claims here. I have no reason to personally attack you unless you start asking for money.
Your reasons for not wanting to do the tests either without the magnetic array or with a balanced magnet on the servo are obvious, and I am sure you have tried it before.
As they say "ignorance is bliss", and in public forums like these you will find people who will hang on everyword you say and become fanatical believers. I am sure they will pander to your ego why you are the ring master of this circus. History unfortunately is not on your side but I encourage you to continue.
I suggest you contact some people who can assist you and have the knowledge required to explain things to you to avoid further embarrassment. I can assist you if you wish putting you in contact with the right people with the scientific expertise you are sadly lacking. Many others have taken up my offer and are quietly working on devices until they are ready to return to the public demain. Others become casualties of their own ego's.
There are many good people who can help you here as well. Listen to them. Selective listenning or testing serves no other purpose than to prolong your journey where your credability will be casualty along with your ego.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #129 on: October 31, 2009, 09:47:23 AM »
@Asymatrix
Spoondini answered this better than I can. It is a process of elimination. If we get the same effect without the magnetic array then you can atribute the gain to the servo shifting the weight. If not then we can assume the magnetic array is indeed doing its job. I suspect it is a bit of both.
The other alternative is to have the magnet attached to the servo on a equal axis so no weight shift occurs. Either way it will be interesting to see the result.
Mark

I seriously doubt that little magnet assembly weighs enough to push the arm that far out on it's own. But I suppose it is good scientific methodology.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #130 on: October 31, 2009, 09:48:25 AM »
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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #131 on: October 31, 2009, 10:10:49 AM »
 ::) hello every body

to Howard no offence
Mark Dansie is a genuine person and  seriously looking for a solution that can really help humanity as well as reward for its creator
i have the personal experience of the same

Mile High is very intelligent read his postings and you will get a lot of good advices specially this
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The disturbance torque either accelerates the swing or slows down the swing, it all depends what angle you are at and which direction the swing is going in.
   

if you go through with this you will understand the man knows what he is saying

try to understand everyone here is welcoming you and giving you good advice may be some of the advices are of such low level that you are way above them

concentrate your work you are doing fine i want to send you 100 Pounds (send me your details on personal message)  as i have gain some thing from your video its a contribution towards improving your work.

a word of advice
1) when you will start gaining the output power that will work as braking effects so your current setup is not capable of handling that braking effect.
2) You don't need a rotary generator i will send you a pulse current integrator to collect energy without a battery and dispense as and when required this is our new high tech development this will reduce mechanical effect.

although i am very busy in a good sizable project not related to energy but if you need any assistance i will be more then  happy to do that. coz alternative energy is not for saving money its for saving human lives for future....

i am learning a lot from this forum

Ali

 

   

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #132 on: October 31, 2009, 12:26:00 PM »
2) You don't need a rotary generator i will send you a pulse current integrator to collect energy without a battery and dispense as and when required this is our new high tech development this will reduce mechanical effect.

Ali, can you share this info here as well?
It would be much appreciated.

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Re: Yu oscillating Generator ---- Overunity YOG Model
« Reply #133 on: October 31, 2009, 05:21:52 PM »

Winsonali,
I don’t have to be here on this forum. I have been doing nothing but trying to share my technology with this community.

I’m not finish and feel these debates are pointless. In fact it’s harmful towards my efforts. There’s nothing to debunk here.

I presented my theories. Then showed my experiments. Presented my data. Trying to help people understand my views at absolutely no risk to them.

Then I get guys like MileHigh attacking my theories right from the start of this thread. Making it harder to explain my point of view.

Then I get guys like Mark Dansie telling me what to do and how I the Inventor should conduct my experiments. When I don’t and he does not get his way? He attacks my creditability and work. He can’t just wait.

These guys my think they’re doing good but they are in reality clouding views. People can make their own final decision but how can they when I not done explaining it to them.  “work in progress”

Ali thanks for your support! It seems are goals are the same.

I will be sending PM

Howard Yu
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Double one way track.
« Reply #134 on: October 31, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »
@Wattbuilder.
Howard. Don't let those Morons throw a wet blanket on your achievment. Your dry test video of the weighted versus the magnet run conclusivly demonstrates the validity of your claim. Two one way tracks with the magnet servo traveling sideways and the magnet mounted 90 degress from it's current position would allow it to swival around like a baseball bat from one side to the other to run back the other way through the reverse one way track, and double the power. A pulse solenoid with a power recovery and pulse return capacitor wired in series between the battery and coil would conserve running current. A special DPDT Reed relay with a back swing pause attenuator, so it dosen't double trip would simplify it even further. Congratulations on what I consider be be a tremendous accomplishment.

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