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triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3855 on: January 05, 2015, 05:03:47 PM »
It seems that Bill Moyers has some clear insights into whats happening in the USA  today.http://billmoyers.com/2013/05/29/u-s-poverty-by-the-numbers/

Sad to say its only increasing(Poverty).triffid

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« Reply #3856 on: January 05, 2015, 05:05:21 PM »
People who would have been in poverty if not for Social Security, 2012: 61.8 million (program kept 15.3 million people out of poverty)

People in the US experiencing poverty by age 65: Roughly half

Gender gap, 2012: Women 32 percent more likely to be poor than men

Gender gap, 2011: Women 34 percent more likely to be poor than men

Twice the poverty level (less than $46,042 for a family of four): 106 million people, more than 1 in 3 Americans

Jobs in the US paying less than $34,000 a year: 50 percent

Jobs in the US paying below the poverty line for a family of four, less than $23,000 annually: 25 percent

Poverty-level wages, 2011: 28 percent of workers

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« Reply #3857 on: January 05, 2015, 05:12:07 PM »
This was on Bill Moyers last tv show.Too bad hes leaving the airways.For Now his website still continues.http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-climate-crusade/  triffid


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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3858 on: January 05, 2015, 05:13:02 PM »
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« Reply #3859 on: January 21, 2015, 09:27:06 PM »
Employee co-ops may be in the future for the USA.Heres what they have done for Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
The MONDRAGON Corporation is a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. It was founded in the town of Mondragón in 1956 by graduates of a local technical college. Its first product was paraffin heaters. It is the tenth-largest Spanish company in terms of asset turnover and the leading business group in the Basque Country. At the end of 2013, it employed 74,061 people in 257 companies and organizations in four areas of activity: finance, industry, retail and knowledge.[1]

Mondragon cooperatives operate in accordance with Statement on the Co-operative Identity maintained by the International Co-operative Alliance.

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« Reply #3860 on: January 21, 2015, 09:30:57 PM »
Mondragon co-operatives are united by a humanist concept of business, a philosophy of participation and solidarity, and a shared business culture. The culture is rooted in a shared mission and a number of principles, corporate values and business policies.[16]

Over the years, these links have been embodied in a series of operating rules approved on a majority basis by the Co-operative Congresses, which regulate the activity of the Governing Bodies of the Corporation (Standing Committee, General Council), the Grassroots Co-operatives and the Divisions they belong to, from the organisational, institutional and economic points of view as well as in terms of assets.[17]

This framework of business culture has been structured based on a common culture derived from the 10 Basic Co-operative Principles, in which Mondragon is rooted: Open Admission, Democratic Organisation, the Sovereignty of Labour, Instrumental and Subordinate Nature of Capital, Participatory Management, Payment Solidarity, Inter-cooperation, Social Transformation, Universality and Education.[18]

This philosophy is complemented by four corporate values: Co-operation, acting as owners and protagonists; Participation, which takes shape as a commitment to management; Social Responsibility, by means of the distribution of wealth based on solidarity; and Innovation, focusing on constant renewal in all areas.[19]

This business culture translates into compliance with a number of Basic Objectives (Customer Focus, Development, Innovation, Profitability, People in Co-operation and Involvement in the Community) and General Policies approved by the Co-operative Congress, which are taken on board at all the corporation’s organisational levels and incorporated into the four-year strategic plans and the annual business plans of the individual co-operatives, divisions, and the corporation as a whole.[20]


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« Reply #3861 on: January 21, 2015, 09:34:07 PM »
At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in his/her cooperative. In reality, this ratio is smaller because there are few Mondragon worker-owners that earn minimum wages, because most jobs are somewhat specialized and are classified at higher wage levels. The wage ratio of a cooperative is decided periodically by its worker-owners through a democratic vote.[21]

Compared to similar jobs at local industries, Mondragon managers' wages are considerably lower (as some companies pay their best paid managers hundreds of times more than the lowest-paid employee of the company)[22] and equivalent for middle management, technical and professional levels. Lower wage levels are on average 13% higher than similar jobs at local businesses. Spain's progressive tax rate further reduces any disparity in pay.[21]

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« Reply #3862 on: January 21, 2015, 09:35:47 PM »
Noam Chomsky has said that while Mondragon offers an alternative to capitalism, it is still embedded in a capitalist system which limits Mondragon's decisions:[36]

“ Take the most advanced case: Mondragon. It’s worker owned, it’s not worker managed, although the management does come from the workforce often, but it’s in a market system and they still exploit workers in South America, and they do things that are harmful to the society as a whole and they have no choice. If you’re in a system where you must make profit in order to survive, you're compelled to ignore negative externalities, effects on others.

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« Reply #3863 on: January 21, 2015, 09:38:59 PM »
Some employee co-ops do exist in the USA.The advantage here that I see is that a single person cannot sell the company overnight and throw thousands of workers out on the street without warning.Worker owned.triffid

Also you don't have CEOs earning 1000x what a normal worker earns.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3864 on: January 21, 2015, 09:45:28 PM »
Time to look at different ways of earning a living.triffid


2016 will see 1% of the worlds population owning 50% of the worlds wealth. In 2014 it was 48% of the worlds wealth.Gas is now($1.75 where I live) cheap but soon to come back close to $5.00 a gallon again by the end of 2015.Enjoy it while you can.

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« Reply #3865 on: February 04, 2015, 10:06:44 PM »
Its another story of who knew the man was a millionaire?  http://news.yahoo.com/man-lived-modestly-leaves-millions-surprise-donations-135358404.html

(AP) — A Vermont man who sometimes held his coat together with safety pins and had a long-time habit of foraging for firewood also had a knack for picking stocks — a talent that became public after his death when he bequeathed $6 million to his local library and hospital.
The investments made by Ronald Read, a former gas station employee and janitor who died in June at age 92, "grew substantially" over the years, said his attorney Laurie Rowell.
Read, who was known for his flannel shirt and baseball cap, gave no hint of the size of his fortune.

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« Reply #3866 on: February 12, 2015, 03:51:34 PM »
A new way of men and forests living together is beginning to emerge.
http://www.iisd.org/natres/agriculture/capital.asp   Its called "Natural Capital".

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3867 on: February 19, 2015, 03:41:16 PM »
The feds are still not raising interest rates.When they do I expect a lot of economic things to go south,south,south.No matter poor people have always figured out how to make the system work for them.We talked this morning at the breakfast table (at Mc Donalds) how some  people go to jail to survive these cold mornings(cold winters).It was 1 degree this morning in St.louis.Three meals a day,a roof over their heads for 30 or 90 days.Warmer inside the jail than outside the jail.triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3868 on: February 19, 2015, 10:47:14 PM »
Hey, triffid and all...

I'm really sold, by myself, that a real easy way to gain more power from an inverter is to connect the output to a wire loop.   Then set another loop the same size or bigger (or a hundred) next to it and parallel to it and let mutual induction do the trick.   The A/C output from the coil(s) can be rectified by diode(s) and led over to a battery set(s) to charge those (a lot of them, even) and spend the power of ONLY one inverter.
      The thing might be, however:
Will these many batteries load down the first inverter that supplies them all?

--Lee

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3869 on: March 03, 2015, 12:07:02 AM »
Im reading a book by Peter Farb who has some insights on how human civilization came to be
going back 80,000 years.Though some of his books were written in the 1970s.The path to being human is full of details that stay true to 2015.I feel very lucky to even find this author.triffid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Farb   I am reading his book"Humankind"cc 1978.

He died in 1980.

He came up with a paradox: "Intensification of production to feed an increased population leads to a still greater increase in population."