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Offline ATT

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2009, 07:21:56 PM »
If -you- were a -real- conspiracy theorist, you would immediately recognise that -I- am the government agent who was embedded to diseminate disinformation about those who are trying to elicit full disclosure of secret government projects and overunity devices...

Just kidding...(maybe)...

Although I emphasized the 'double agent' factor in my post, it was meant to be more 'tongue in cheek' than accusatory (but I'm glad you enjoyed it).

This is Lee's thread about economic downturn and the dangers thereof, the departure I indulged in above was prompted by a video link post that appeared earlier (and you notice I returned to the real theme of this thread at the end).

However, given that Greer may be one of:
a.) government agent
b.) mercenary marketer
c.) true believer

I would pick b.) as most likely.
I would pick a.) in second place.
I would pick c.) as third most likely.

And as a parting note, remember:
Trust no one. Suspect everything. Believe nothing...

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2009, 07:21:56 PM »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2009, 09:32:56 PM »
@ATT
I like practically everything you said previously.  The only thing is, so far, I haven't had the time or freedom to thoroughly investigate Greer's claims and assertions without headphones or a Linux operating-system-oriented disk in my hand.  This weekend however... I'll have both.

Kudos to you!  Greer sounds like a slick operator looking for gullible backers.  And you're right:
Trust no one...except your inner instinctive voice warning you of danger. 

Suspect everything outside yourself...unless you're looking out for NUMBER 1, your own survival mode actions to avoid trouble should be above suspicion.

Believe nothing...but that which stands up to the test of time---especially a stranger's claims.

Re-edit:
Maybe I spoke too soon?  I didn't have enough information:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8064.0
Here's the YouTube address:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/soldier-claims-authorities-training-to-intern-americans-who-refuse-swine-flu-shot.html
(This borrowed computer refuses to load and run the file.  I'll have to try later with a new system disk or go to another computer.)


A military whistle blower says people will be rounded up in concentration camps without a proof-of-vaccination bracelet.  This might cause some social problems in a few hotheaded Americans.  People are buying lotsa guns as it is now.  If people need a trigger, an overbearing Gov't like Soviet communism in Afghanistan might do the trick.  Forcing thousands into concentration camps would cause an economic disaster, as is the subject of this thread.

--Lee
« Last Edit: September 19, 2009, 01:00:00 AM by the_big_m_in_ok »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2009, 11:10:50 PM »
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Now, from what I posted before about alternative marketing, see if any of it applies to PrisonPlanet's latest offering regarding H1N1. Then, consider the following news links (excepting the one for net-neutrality, of course).

Among the things to consider when deciding on the value of 'likleyhood' to attribute to an item, would include that of 'track-record' for past items that the same source has predicted or reported on.

* Are the sources of the report conveniently anonymous?
* Was the report later proved accurate?
* Did the prediction come to pass?
* Has any report from this source had a direct-detrimental affect on you?
* When was the last time you saw any 'good news' reported from this source?
* Do they appear to engage in niche-related 'tabloid marketing'?
* Do they sell a lot of 'stuff' on their site?
* Do they host a lot of advertising on their site?
* Do they depend on sensationalism to draw traffic in order to promote sales and advertising?
* Is their marketing model successful in making money?

Not to say it's all bogus, just to offer a little centering-rationale when confronted with scads of viral-marketing 'poggie-bait' (you remember what that is from your military days, right?).

Meanwhile, the news:

CDC - no shots, nose spray:
http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN1837082220090918

Organization lacking:
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE58H2ZY20090918

Public fear-H1N1:
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58H58820090918

Here's our ration of 'good news':
Net Neutrality:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2009/09/fcc_to_introduce_rules_that_pr.html
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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2009, 12:35:22 AM »

I also believe Beardon is in bed with Greer. Well not literally but he has been involved in malavelant activities (ref: Marshall Thomas-MKultra).

I know he is good buddy with John Bedini. Now first one of you who has a self runner, please put me right.

Back to the economic disaster, yes it is coming to us regular folks but our poleticians who have the fists of the controllers up their back sides and the controllers them selves will have no problem with that. A sort of heads I win, tails you lose.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2009, 04:25:15 AM »
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I also believe Beardon is in bed with Greer

It's my impression that Bearden and Bedini are business partners. As for Greer's complicity in anything, I do know he is sought-after to underwrite/support various projects owing to his motivational-speaking and salesmanship skills and his connections to Washington insiders and industy 'movers'. I don't know anything specifically about any dealings between he and Bearden (but then I don't follow all that, anyway).

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...our poleticians who have the fists of the controllers up their back sides and the controllers them selves will have no problem with that.

If I were to launch into a diatribe based on those statements it could take-up volumes, so I'll just say: yes, I agree (the subject gets into a lot more depth than you might first imagine).
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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2009, 04:25:15 AM »
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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2009, 10:37:35 AM »
Please, do tell.
This is the right forum for it!

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2009, 04:55:35 PM »
ATT said:
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Public fear-H1N1:
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58H58820090918
I happened to see on the Internet, in passing from an article, scientists were admittedly trying to combine the deadly avian flu and the swine flu in a lab to then formulate a vaccine for it.

Isn't that risky if they succeed and it infects a lab worker, unknowingly, and it's then inadvertently released into the worldwide population?

Avian Flu that's as contagious as swine flu?  And it kills at least 60% of its victims?  Talk about a conspiracy theory?!?!

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2009, 08:25:37 PM »
Avian Flu that's as contagious as swine flu?  And it kills at least 60% of its victims?  Talk about a conspiracy theory?!?!

Anything is possible when dealing with those who have no consience (and who's intellectual abilities are limited to furthering their agendas).

Although the potential threat a mutated flue virus presents is immediately disturbing, the broader possibilities of an insidious agenda are even more disturbing.

The question that remains is: What action do we take?

Please, do tell. This is the right forum for it!

Would you like that -manuscript- in Quark, Indesign or PDF format?

Seriously, there is ever so much more to this than than meets the eye. Any investigation of the of the events and interactions leading to the circumstances we find ourselves in today (in order to appear cohesive) would require too rigorous a treatment to deal with in a few fragmented forum posts.

I will say this much, there are a multiplicity of controls imposed on populations in order to both steer and maintain a desired direction at any given time. Most often the desired effect can be realized with simple 'nudges', but occasionally the controllers wish to bring about a directional change more rapidly and that requires a more forceful (thus drastic) control-input.

If you've ever piloted a boat, you know that when you apply rudder it takes a while to bring the craft around to a new heading (for the helm to answer-up), the bigger the craft, the more time it takes. It's the same with populations, so it's important to realise that the control-input required for any desired change must be applied well before you desire that change in direction to occur...sometimes 'generations' before you desire that change to occur.

We have been in the process of 'answering the helm' now for more than one generation (several, actually) and we are beginning to see glimpses of the ultimate destination our 'controllers' have determined.

If the majority of the 'crew' won't mutiny, perhaps those of us who have more insight should consider manning the lifeboats...
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I STILL say an economic disaster is coming, but a trigger might start it...
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2009, 06:26:02 PM »
Anything is possible when dealing with those who have no consience (and who's intellectual abilities are limited to furthering their agendas).
Yep. I agree 100%
But:  With respect to the video involving the female National Guard troop, there could be a trigger in the Gov't trying to confiscate all American Weapons.  This probably won't go over well in the Western States, as well as the Appalachian States.  Guns are important to these people.  I doubt if they'll hand them over without comment.
Here's the video:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/soldier-claims-authorities-training-to-intern-americans-who-refuse-swine-flu-shot.html
See for yourself and decide whether or not she's kidding or merely being an alarmist Chicken Little.

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Although the potential threat a mutated flue virus presents is immediately disturbing, the broader possibilities of an insidious agenda are even more disturbing.
Well, many religions have an "End Times" prophecy.  In terms of historical records, the leaders of past empires weren't generally setting the best example for their citizens to follow.  Some of those leaders(i.e., Adolph Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Attila the Hun) were the problem to be dealt with.  But, that goes for everywhere.

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The question that remains is: What action do we take?
One Member on the forum, on this thread, suggested, "Run for the hills!, Run for your life!"
Can he live in the wilderness from scratch, with merely the clothes he's wearing?  In an environment stressed by pollution?  Doubtful.  Also, the Gov't has helicopters and night-vision goggles.  He can't hide anywhere, and neither can anyone else.  I don't even try.

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If the majority of the 'crew' won't mutiny, perhaps those of us who have more insight should consider manning the lifeboats...
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This "trigger" I mentioned can begin the collapse I predict. AND, several other sources said the same thing already.
What can I do?
Nothing.  I can't change anything.  Whatever I do, someone can always come along later and change that to suit themselves.  Everything changes in the universe.  I've seen this happen for many years.

What I can do is wait and watch.  Those who want to make more karma, can do so.  They have free will, like everyone.  However, whether they like it or not, they'll be held accountable for their actions. 
Me, too.
That's why I never really got involved with the crap some people think is important.  That's short term.  For me, in the long term, some earlier predictions have indicated that there is hope for the smart, resilient and adaptable person. 
A former Marine told me:  "The man who know how to use his mind and his body can be very dangerous."
I'm not military trained to be dangerous, but I can try and be at the right place at the right the time---and use that survival quality to my advantage.
Be aware:  I'm here now because I don't make fatal mistakes and I'm very, very! lucky when I need to be.  That's the way it is for me.

--Lee
« Last Edit: September 20, 2009, 10:44:20 PM by the_big_m_in_ok »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2009, 07:39:22 AM »
well here in cali they are admitting to an unemployment rate of 12.2-.5% which means we are really nearing 30%.

Cali has the largest pop of any state, 36 mil
It has a civilian work force of 18 mil
around 16 are working and 2.2 are considered unemployeed.
but with a little closer inspection its closer to the nonfarm industry number of 14.4 mil


67% of the population is in the working age range, as you can tell, 50% of the pop in cali is considered the workforce.

The reason unemplyment is around 27%, of the workforce, so more like 13 mil working and 4.86 mil not working. Since california is 12% of the US's population, and increase here does affect the national number, not much, but more than anyone else.

of the 150 mil considered the nations workforce, right now 15 mil are not working, officially. the reality is more like 25% overall.

Think about this trend ladies and gents. No new jobs are being created, no new industry arising. this income loss means that every industry will be affected, all incomes of business will be dramatically affected. Food will go down the least, next fuel.

But retailers will be hot to the tune of 40% losses, this will carry the same for construction, and all other non nessecity industries. This will result in more layoffs.

This christmas season will seal that deal. when the 65% of the middle income people spend 50% of what they did even last year which was 50% of what it was the year before.
 http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/holiday/

We all know that without the holiday shopping most retailers would go belly up. 50-75% of their business occurs for that shopping period. The sales cut down to 65% of the total sales last year, These retailers are gonna craps themselves.

The only industry going up, is government based jobs, either direct or indirect, aka homeland security, border patrol, construction of gov facilies, military complexes. and some infrastructure.

This is where people normally say, "see they are making new jobs!" well most of these things were years in the making, they were approved a year or more ago. But never the less, these jobs are not real producers, they use tax money, well this is like a snake that is eating itself. Jobs financed from taxes, when the tax base income is going through the floor, will not stimulate anything except a few people for a short time.

The government has been in a budget issue with 4-5% unemployment, triple that and see what happens to their budget? add in the fact that they are spending even more and what do you get?

This crash is not a maybe, it will and has to happen. Its simple fact. They should be slowing their spending, and letting up on taxation on the american people. Let the people have their own money and they can spend more.

We need to re-establish our agricultural, construction, and manufacturing base.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2009, 07:33:20 PM »
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there could be a trigger in the Gov't trying to confiscate all American Weapons

Lee, I appreciate your insight and, yes, that would raise some hackles, probably nationwide.

And of course, any significant backlash would provide exactly the excuse needed to institute marshall law.

We all know where it goes from there.

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In terms of historical records, the leaders of past empires weren't generally setting the best example

Much of the example set by these heads of state is followed to this day by our present governments, so point well taken.

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predictions have indicated that there is hope for the smart, resilient and adaptable person

Hope so...that's been the case so far.

We need to re-establish our agricultural, construction, and manufacturing base

California huh? That makes three of us, I think Lee is in SF, I'm close to PS.

Like you, I think there's a pretty wide gap between what we 'need' and what's really going to happen.

As you pointed out:
* Agricultural is going more and more 3rd world.
* California is in it's 3rd (?) year of drought, farmers are losing market.
* Construction is on-hold except for public-works and Fed projects.
* Manufacturing is in China and points-east.
* Our cost of living is too high to for our labor-figure to compete with offshore producers/manufacturers.

So here's the conundrum: whether we like it or not, we exist in a Global economy. That ties all the major producers and consumers together. So when we have a downturn here in the states, the effects are telegraphed world-wide.

Speculators (including the investment banks, insurance underwriters, mutual funds/pensions/401s who drive the stocks) were essentially unregulated and allowed to run 'wide open' in the interest of 'free market' profiteering.

Here in the states, our investment gurus came up with the 'mortgage backed security' scam, it returned huge profits, the rest of the world bought-in to it and it blew-up in everybody's face.

So the worlds largest consumer now has less money to 'consume' with, China sells less stuff to us (so they buy less stuff), Europe's trade decreases, the world lays-off it's labor force and we're all stuck in 'idle' while waiting for economic anarchy.

Now let's look at the 'bailout'.

The money went to the big banks and to AIG (who underwrites the big banks), and I haven't forgotten the auto industry, but that's a separate issue.

This was supposed to loosen credit so businesses could operate and, hopefully, save businesses from failing so not as many workers would be affected and consumption (not to mention, taxes) wouldn't be impacted as drastically as it would have been otherwise.

The result: the banks took the money and ran with it, bought other banks and assets up, strengthened their positions and gave out huge bonuses...credit didn't loosen up enough to help the businesses that really needed it.

Small banks failed, businesses either failed or downsized as much as possible just to survive, some ended up turning a profit in the ensuing months, but none significantly increased their labor force...mass lay-offs continued.

The market gradually rebounded (bear rally), Wall Street is making money but on the street, there's no jobs on the horizon.

So how long can Wall Street 'suck the cream out of the twinky' before somebody notices that we -still- aren't consuming because there's no money on the street?

The answer is: They don't care. The 'American Plan' of investment economics is all about 'immediate' gains, here and now, 'I got mine'.

When investment houses talk about 'the long term' what they mean is 'Tomarrow' (but they definitely want -you- in it for as long as they can get you).

So, with all that under our belt, knowing that this is sort of like the eye of the hurricane (a brief calm spot before re-entering the malestrom), what do you think a guy should do?

Lee says 'watch and wait', be resourceful, use your street-smarts to make it through.

I say make a plan, get you resources together and shoot for sustainable independence.

What's your take on an individual solution, d3?

Tony

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2009, 02:32:54 AM »
The fact is we live in a forced global economy, and it ruins everyones economy. Lets take a look,

Mexico and US. It would seem like a good idea for us to get cheap labor, and for them to get better wages right? Well your wrong, bandage up that bleeding heart, and hand cuff that capitalist, here's why.

When mexicans come here, they get paid more than if they lived down there, well they take their earnings down there. So whereas before they were making the same as everyone else, now they have 10 times as much, and can afford the things they want. Here is where the problem starts. A businessman down there sees that these few have more than everyone else, well being the good little greed monger, I mean capitalist that he is, he cranks his prices up, out of the reach of the normal people, but still within reach of the migrant worker. Well now the mex business man is making the same or more than before, and dealing with many fewer transactions, he can layoff a few employees due to lower volume, and he is still making bank.

It artifically blows the market up.


On the other side of the border, Us business men hire lower paid mexicans, which means they can undercut their competion, and still make as much as befre, and with less to compete against, their business volume goes up, and they are making even more. This devalues the local labor to a point where they can't afford the costs of living. And the market price of goods stays high.

It artifically cuts the general worker off at the knees.


You can not mix economies, it benefits only a very few, and hurts everyone else. remember 1% is the upper class, 5% is the upper middle class, the middle class down to lower class are 74% of the population, poor are 20%, So the bulk of the people are hurt by this outsourcing nonsense. But the upper 6% make out like bandits.

FACT: Only raw materials should be allowed to cross borders of economies, anything that can be made inside an economy should be made in that economy.

Fact: diversification and cellular comparments are good and stable, one fails it doesn't effect the others, which means the others can help the failed one.

FACT: They know these things, and they know it will fail, they do this so that they can convince us to make a one world economy under their control. its really very simple and stupid. People who say they can't see this, are the ones who benefit from it.

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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2009, 03:08:25 AM »
Lee, I appreciate your insight and, yes, that would raise some hackles, probably nationwide.  ...   And of course, any significant backlash would provide exactly the excuse needed to institute marshall law.  ...  Much of the example set by these heads of state is followed to this day by our present governments, so point well taken.
Exactly.  They don't necessarily who they step on, as long as they get what they want.

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California huh? That makes three of us, I think Lee is in SF, (I, Lee, am in San Francisco)
I'm close to PS. (where's 'PS'?)

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Like you, I think there's a pretty wide gap between what we 'need' and what's really going to happen.
I've clearly seen the cycles of history and the "boom-and-bust" sets of scenarios have always played out about the same way practically every time.

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...So here's the conundrum: whether we like it or not, we exist in a Global economy. That ties all the major producers and consumers together. So when we have a downturn here in the states, the effects are telegraphed world-wide.  ...  So the worlds largest consumer now has less money to 'consume' with, China sells less stuff to us (so they buy less stuff), Europe's trade decreases, the world lays-off it's labor force and we're all stuck in 'idle' while waiting for economic anarchy.

Now it's a two-way street:
On PBS, Bill Moyer's Show, a guest economist told him the Chinese consumers were such a big player on the world scene, that if the Chinese consumer doesn't step up and replace the American consumer as a buying force to shore up the Chinese economy, that economy will suffer badly without any further influence from us.
As you may have said or implied, I also assert the ripple effect of this will be a money drought and a worsening recession---or depression with total collapse.

--Lee




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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2009, 03:15:41 AM »
Hi d3.

Irish, German, Russian, Romanian, Italian, Roman, Indian, Mexican, Eskimoian, Turkish, British, French, Chinese, Mung, Vietnamese, Korean, African, Latino, you name it that is what makes up America. I know I left out some ethnics but please forgive my laziness of writing the entire list.

there is no such thing as America being a 'white mans' country, America is a mixing pot and has always been a mixing pot.

If Hispanics want to live in America then give them the chance, educate them and let them share our justice and freedom.

Racism coined the term, aliens.

Eskimo, Indians and Mexican were here in America before everyone else so who are the real aliens?

Just a German American who cares.
Jerry
« Last Edit: September 22, 2009, 04:04:31 AM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2009, 04:10:04 AM »
Hi d3.

Irish, German, Russian, Romanian, Italian, Roman, Indian, Mexican, Eskimoian, Turkish, British, French, Chinese, Mung, Vietnamese, Korean, African, Latino, you name it that is what makes up America. I know I left out some ethnics but please forgive my laziness of writing the entire list.

there is no such thing as America being a 'white mans' country, America is a mixing pot and has always been a mixing pot.

If Hispanics want to live in America then give them the chance, educate them and let them share our justice and freedom.

Racism coined the term, aliens.

Just a German American who cares.
Jerry
Hey Jerry,
Since I'm a descendant of many of the ethnic groups on your list(going back to ancient times), I'd say from personal experience that the average person is mostly interested in living in peace and putting food on the table under a roof over his head.
It's a few ignorant! individuals who impose their will against others.  For that, they get what they deserve. (read: heavy karma)

BTW, my mother's maternal grandmother was primarily German.  Her father was a full German American whose ancestors were pious farmers from the Pfalz, in Germany.

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