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Offline allcanadian

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4305 on: October 31, 2016, 06:40:15 AM »
@Dog-one

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"We gave you a country where every individual had the right and obligation to become the very best they can at whatever they choose to seek out.  We gave you this and instead of cherishing and protecting it, the people of this country gave their unalienable rights away and decided the good of the majority outweigh the good of the few or the one.  It is such a sad sight to see, a pity on those that will witness their own destruction.  Many nations have fallen under the same trap, weary to recognize the error of their ways.  Let it be known we truly did all we knew at the time to create a beacon of light on this so desolate mountain."[/size]


The good of the majority must outweigh the good of the few however it makes the false assumption that the majority actually know whats good for themselves. For instance most cry out for more jobs at any cost leading to more consumption and more pollution which will ultimately kill them. The businessman cries out for lower taxes to attain more profits for more expansion so they can consume more resources ultimately hoping for a monopoly to oppress everyone. Some people have very little true faith in themselves and have sacrificed freedom for security which seldom provides either.


What few seems to understand is very simple in it's nature...we all inhabit this planet together and we have one chance to get this right because we have no where else to go. As such the question we need to ask is who are you to dictate terms to anyone?, who am I or anyone else?. We have put our own collective needs before everyone else and everything, we have become self-centered and ultimately this will be the singular reason for our demise. You, me and everyone and it should have been obvious that everyone cannot have their own way...that is absurd and childish.


Two thirds of all wildlife will be gone by 2020, 95% of all the fish are gone, in 30 years there will be more plastic in the oceans than fish. Pollution kills more people than all other diseases combined and it is increasing rapidly. Every natural system is literally imploding upon itself like no other time in our history and we presume to be worried about our personal freedom?.


It is ironic that we tend to hope and prey and in some quite strange sense almost come to believe our own personal flavor of BS may actually be true...but unfortunately it seldom if ever is. Confronting our own demons, those skeletons rattling around in that closet we keep closed to others is the thing. Me, I must go into that realm where I must ultimately judge myself based upon how I have effected all others. It is not because I am better, smarter, somehow righteous or otherwise predisposed it is because I can. It is a choice like any other choice but the real trick is in knowing...the choice is yours and that you have one.


If you ever want to truly know someone tell them no...and see what happens?.




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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4305 on: October 31, 2016, 06:40:15 AM »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4306 on: October 31, 2016, 11:08:38 AM »
What bothers me the most are people clinging to the word democracy.  The devil is in the details of that word.

Here in the U.S. I was taught the rights of the individual.  Which means I can be as lazy, smart, trendy, athletic, entrepreneurial, religious, spiritual, etc. as I want, as long as I do no harm to anyone else.  That is at the heart of this republic or once great nation.  These were the rules and with those rules, people can become the best at whatever they choose to pursue.  There are a few still around that understand these principals and why when they are employed, make a nation worth fighting for.  But now...

Everyone wants democracy.  Also known as mob rule.  They take great comfort in numbers, able to push others around and force their will upon the minority.  They change the rules routinely to improve their odds and further their goals.  It's a big club and I'm not in it as George Carlin would say.  Everyone wants to be a winner and be a part of something bigger than themselves.  It's a world I barely comprehend and have little desire to be a part of.

I sometimes wonder what the founders such as Thomas Jefferson would say if he were alive today.  I think it would go something like this:

"We gave you a country where every individual had the right and obligation to become the very best they can at whatever they choose to seek out.  We gave you this and instead of cherishing and protecting it, the people of this country gave their unalienable rights away and decided the good of the majority outweigh the good of the few or the one.  It is such a sad sight to see, a pity on those that will witness their own destruction.  Many nations have fallen under the same trap, weary to recognize the error of their ways.  Let it be known we truly did all we knew at the time to create a beacon of light on this so desolate mountain."

So yes, I do believe the generations to come will never comprehend let alone reenact that which would have brought them virtue.  I'm a dying breed as are the few that recognize my words.  The majority will make their own nest and lie in the ruins that follow.  They will never know what they have lost, but at some point they will recognize everything is gone.

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Democracy ..... and the rest of it: Couldn't agree with you more as another of that dying breed.

An excerpt of my similar understanding:
"The factual beginnings of my beloved but chimerical America where put to paper in the Declaration of Independence as self evident truths that like all truth stand on their own for all time.

A revolution was fought and King George was outted. His "majesty's" Sovereignty devolved to the people of the colonies. Each Man and Woman previously referred to as a "subject" became an individual Sovereign, without any subjects and none to govern but them self.

Those were the days when men were men.

We had the Articles of Confederation and then memorialized our Constitution for the united States of America to establish a constitutional republic. A republic made up of several individual states in a confederacy with a very limited central or "federal" government with prescribed duties and proscriptions mandated, primarily to protect the individual rights of the people. The people who delegated a limited measure of their individual sovereign authority to create a government.

That constitution also specifically mandates the form of government established was to be "a republican form of government" and no where in it will you find mention of any "democracy". But don't believe me, go read it for yourself and then try to deny reality.

Enough of history, if you are still reading this I commend you because those that believe America or the United States are in fact a democracy may never understand what reality is.

It has been said that our refusal to learn from history dooms us to repeat it, and I sense the ring of Truth is in those words as well."
from - http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/laws.html

A man can be shown the "law" but cannot be made to think.

"Democracy" is foreign and un American, mob rule is a very short lived "form of government" that self extinguishes.


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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4307 on: October 31, 2016, 05:41:37 PM »
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A man can be shown the "law" but cannot be made to think.[/size]"Democracy" is foreign and un American, mob rule is a very short lived "form of government" that self extinguishes.


The Republican Form of government is one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. Unlike the democratic form of government, in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the whole body of free citizens, individuals retain sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property.


Obviously a republic, as in banana republic, is an ill conceived outdated notion that you are somehow separate from me and everyone else. You want absolute ownership of property which you would then pollute for profit which effects me. Then you would claim it is your sovereign right to do this and I have no right to stop you. In essence it is a way for immature people who lack empathy to do harm to others and never have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. Not to mention the fact that most also believe them doing harm to others is not the same as when others do the same harm to them which is obviously a sign of mental disorders which need to be addressed.


As I said you never really know someone until you tell them no... then they tend to lose all composure and we see the real person and not the one they were pretending to be. Not unlike the juvenile delinquent we know as Donald Trump.


I mean you loved democracy in the past when it worked in your favor didn't you?. However now that it isn't so much you have decided you want to change the rules. As most responsible adults know this is a clear sign of immaturity and it is not acceptable behavior for any adult. However this is what you intend to do don't you...change the rules?.


In any case a republic worked in the past because the population density was low, resources were abundant and pollution was manageable. This is not the case today and we the people of this planet have collectively decided that this stupidity needs to end. You do not have the right to continue to do harm to others and it will not be tolerated in the future. Sorry about your luck...deal with it.


AC


 




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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4308 on: November 01, 2016, 02:55:16 PM »
Thank you for your opinions. They clearly show how little you actually know about me, as well as they show herd mentality in action.

The Republican Form of government is one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. Unlike the democratic form of government, in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the whole body of free citizens, individuals retain sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property.

A couple simple questions for you about "democracy": In a "democracy" without a "Declaration of Independence" like America's where do the "powers of sovereignty" flow from for YOU to claim you retain "sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property." as an INDIVIDUAL?

You write "(absolute ownership)": Will you be so kind as to explain how YOU alone can enforce your will to enjoy "absolute ownership" of anything against the will of the rest of the herd that has the will/force and collective POWER to take anything/everything you claim from YOU. ???

Obviously a republic, as in banana republic, is an ill conceived outdated notion that you are somehow separate from me and everyone else. You want absolute ownership of property which you would then pollute for profit which effects me. Then you would claim it is your sovereign right to do this and I have no right to stop you. In essence it is a way for immature people who lack empathy to do harm to others and never have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. Not to mention the fact that most also believe them doing harm to others is not the same as when others do the same harm to them which is obviously a sign of mental disorders which need to be addressed.

Get real: This is purely your opinion, one made from a position of having no personal knowledge about me.

As I said you never really know someone until you tell them no... then they tend to lose all composure and we see the real person and not the one they were pretending to be. Not unlike the juvenile delinquent we know as Donald Trump.


I mean you loved democracy in the past when it worked in your favor didn't you?. However now that it isn't so much you have decided you want to change the rules. As most responsible adults know this is a clear sign of immaturity and it is not acceptable behavior for any adult. However this is what you intend to do don't you...change the rules?.

NO, no, no! There has never been any love for "democracy" by this man. Only a deep respect for our "Rule of law." and none for the "rule of men" who refuse to follow the written law in OUR NATION OF LAW that was founded upon "self evident truths" I don't expect you to ascribe to.

In any case a republic worked in the past because the population density was low, resources were abundant and pollution was manageable. This is not the case today and we the people of this planet have collectively decided that this stupidity needs to end. You do not have the right to continue to do harm to others and it will not be tolerated in the future. Sorry about your luck...deal with it.

AC

"NO"again, although in part you are correct about population, resources, and pollution you completely miss the fact that the united states of America was based upon the necessity of a morally and spiritually upright population that understood right from wrong, which admittedly is diminishing too rapidly. - Yes there is/will be a price to pay, and it won't be cheap or pretty.

Sadly "NO" again: Your collective "we the people of this planet" making the decision to end what you deem "stupidity" will not solve the real cause of the troubles that are within you as well as many others; you think you are RIGHT.

No sir I cannot fix the stupidity of others but I am quite able to govern myself and do no harm to others as the Captain of my own ship sailing among fools on their very own sinking ship of fools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhNl6wIkVs8

Not sure just how "sorry" you are but I kindly remind you as a fellow dweller on this wonderful Earth and "next door neighbor" come what may - you and yours most likely will be AFFECTED by the fallout.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4309 on: November 02, 2016, 12:48:47 AM »
Temporal Visitor wrote:
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Peace."
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       Temporal Visitor,
       I agree with about everything you say, which I effectively 'snipped' with this response.   I think your answers are correct, in the main.   The subject of this thread is that the economy will in fact collapse and everyone except very rural 'mountain men' will be affected badly.   Even extremely badly.

       However, unless you have some way to live 'under the radar' or 'off the grid', your future is equal to anyone else's.   I have an escape plan already worked out.   I'll only say it has nothing to do with the usually envisioned ways of dealing with economic adversity and/or privation.   I'll keep the details to myself.

       I won't ask you 'why' and 'why is the ''why'', is so.   If you can avoid the coming, impending; onrushing economic calamity, then you deserve to survive.   Please take note:  My part-time job requires a high security clearance on mose than one level of sensitivity.
       An associate/supervisor, whom I answer to, has indicated that you can say the truth from a certain amount of your personal experience---and I know what that experience is.   I do have a security clearance and I know why you say what you do.   It's merely classified for me to make it public.   I have a similar situation that you have, and it's not so much difficult to describe, than it is to convince people that it can happen.   Most would say it's impossible for me to do.   These people don't have the resources I do have, though.
       My associates can indeed tell you about myself in detail, but would you be able to describe it to the Members or viewing public convincingly?   Make it sound like it was not impossible---or at least highly improbable?   I don't think so.   I can tell you this:  We work for the same 'outfit'.   Which one is that?   Classified.   My clearance.

       You're correct in you opinions as they were presented.   Additionally, there's this...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/4017426-sweat-election-next-crisis-already-baked-cake

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-crisis-in-european-banks-threatens-to-roil-global-markets-2016-09-28

       I could probably find more articles like these, but these are descriptive enough and time is short on this borrowed computer.   I'm not worried.   I have a way out of this worldwide mess that's coming.   Mostly,  people who treat money like a commodity will invariably lose control of that money valuation through their greed, and will eventually end up broke and/or starving sooner or later.   Especially later.

--Lee

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4310 on: November 02, 2016, 09:43:37 AM »
                                                                        I see an economic diaet coming  ;)
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               https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLgzxvsP2jbqEWx3HmMMSwOYtDcEeS9uERyOvI8rpadsIzIgxKrw
                                                                         :)  interplanetary reengineering :)
                           
                                                           https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12769
                                                                      :) great value,nice price estimation :) 
                                                                                         chapeu !


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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4311 on: November 02, 2016, 02:13:29 PM »
Temporal Visitor wrote:       Temporal Visitor,
       I agree with about everything you say, which I effectively 'snipped' with this response.   I think your answers are correct, in the main.   The subject of this thread is that the economy will in fact collapse and everyone except very rural 'mountain men' will be affected badly.   Even extremely badly.

Thank you for your reply, it is interesting and even more interesting is its timing as answers to questions lodged elsewhere.

I have read those articles, among many others besides my own experience and agree the cake is mostly baked "economically". As far as being "worried" I take comfort where I find it: Truth.

Sometimes in books, articles, or even music from the past that comes to mind,

"When I think of all the worries
People seem to find
And how they're in a hurry
To complicate their minds

By chasing after money
And dreams that can't come true
I'm glad that we are different
We've better things to do" (The Grass Roots 1967)

Those presently chasing after money will perhaps eventually learn it is only fools gold, very temporal and not true wealth.

With no PROMISE of TOMORROW - I do have "better things to do" than worry, because "Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday." (Ralph Waldo Emerson) and considering as Tesla is credited with saying: "The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine."

"In reality"; there is nothing to worry about when/if one considers your "Especially later" to mean working towards their own future/eternity BEFORE THE WHEELS COME OFF the dying systems people cling to and choose to pretend are not in "economic" collapse already well under way.

Many just don't "get it" and;
NO MATTER "How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4312 on: November 08, 2016, 05:42:26 PM »
Will today mark the Beginning of the End?

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4313 on: November 10, 2016, 09:58:08 AM »
Thank you for your reply, it is interesting and even more interesting is its timing as answers to questions lodged elsewhere.

I have read those articles, among many others besides my own experience and agree the cake is mostly baked "economically". As far as being "worried" I take comfort where I find it: Truth.

Sometimes in books, articles, or even music from the past that comes to mind,

"When I think of all the worries
People seem to find
And how they're in a hurry
To complicate their minds

By chasing after money
And dreams that can't come true
I'm glad that we are different
We've better things to do" (The Grass Roots 1967)

Those presently chasing after money will perhaps eventually learn it is only fools gold, very temporal and not true wealth.

With no PROMISE of TOMORROW - I do have "better things to do" than worry, because "Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday." (Ralph Waldo Emerson) and considering as Tesla is credited with saying: "The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine."

"In reality"; there is nothing to worry about when/if one considers your "Especially later" to mean working towards their own future/eternity BEFORE THE WHEELS COME OFF the dying systems people cling to and choose to pretend are not in "economic" collapse already well under way.

Many just don't "get it" and;
NO MATTER "How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM

Every day is a gift, how we spend it tells a lot of us.
We should all have a "bug out plan" to include those we know
who are less able to "bug out". If those we would like to help
want help is not up to us. Some must survive ! Unadulterated.
So to speak.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4314 on: November 11, 2016, 08:41:56 PM »
Every day is a gift, how we spend it tells a lot of us.

Without any doubt TIME is an individual gift. Some use it wisely, some waste it foolishly never even realizing they have been given it and other phenomenal gifts well beyond their own thoughts. I have learned to try hard to be appreciative of ALL the gifts given and not waste any of them while still trying to help others in need when, if, and where possible.

We should all have a "bug out plan" to include those we know
who are less able to "bug out". If those we would like to help
want help is not up to us. Some must survive ! Unadulterated.
So to speak.
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"bug out plan" is fine but realistically: To where? Seems to me each of us takes our problems with us anywhere we go despite our best laid plans.

For sure those that don't want help; yes they are on their own, and that any in fact survive "UN-adualterated" will be yet another gift. Especially if/when they wake up to find: there own ignorance offers them no "economy" what-so-ever to survive another day in.

IMO: These are hard learned lessons each will learn for themselves.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4315 on: November 12, 2016, 02:27:31 AM »
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"bug out plan" is fine but realistically: To where? Seems to me each of us takes our problems with us anywhere we go despite our best laid plans.
If the shit ever does hit the fan then people are the problem because they are unpredictable and 99% wouldn't last a week on their own because they are basically like helpless little children. Turn off the power, gas, water, close the gas stations and grocery stores and most are basically screwed overnight.

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For sure those that don't want help; yes they are on their own, and that any in fact survive "UN-adualterated" will be yet another gift. Especially if/when they wake up to find: there own ignorance offers them no "economy" what-so-ever to survive another day in.
History is pretty clear on who would actually survive a world changing crisis event. Those who can walk into the bush with nothing but the shirt on their back will survive and all others will eventually perish. They will eventually run out of food, clean water, clothing, shelter, ammo etc.. and perish because they have no practical survival skills. Thus money, stock piling and planning simply delay that which is inevitable in the long term and their is no helping stupid.

On a side note not much would drastically change for many indigenous people who already know how to live off the land on their own and have for tens of thousands of years.

AC

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4316 on: November 13, 2016, 11:34:47 PM »
Yes, I'm not a "Preper" so to speak, but if the police stop going to work due to not getting paid anymore I don't want to deal with anyone I don't already know and trust if I don't have to. So I have a plan and back up plan, not a bunker full of of supplies. I'll go sooner rather than later. In my opinion gold and silver will just get you killed, as will most anything that others want in any quantity. After 6 months of chaos in the cities there would be a lot less people, but they would be either tough or just plain nasty.

 


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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4317 on: November 14, 2016, 10:13:54 AM »
Complicated,really complicated : https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffragen.evangelisch.de%2Ffrage%2F4657%2Fehe-annullierung-auch-evangelisch&edit-text=


The marriage partners from a Donald Trump : confession ?


Can a -probably,by law - poly-/bi-gamist become a President from the U.S.A. ? Bible belt and Tea Party voters decision ?
                             The confessional fundament("pilgrim fathers") from the U.S. federal estate administration ?

Only a thinking moment about  8)  "inthronization" 8)


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserkrönung_Napoleons_I.



The presence of the Pope
Napoleon had decided that Napoleon should be crowned with the Pope in the presence of a sacred component. It was not only Charlemagne, who was crowned king of the Franks by the Pope, that the Roman-German emperors of the Middle Ages had undertaken a journey to Rome, in order to confirm their position by a papal coronation. Pius VII was emphatically summoned to the imperial court, where the Pope finally agreed to his participation in the ceremony by recovering some of the territories of the Church, occupied by French troops a few years earlier.


The pope, who had come to Paris in a modest hope of restoring some of the millions of French faithful fallen from the church during the Revolution, was completely taken by surprise in his audience room. Every day he had to bless thousands of pilgrims in the Tuileries Gardens and received generals, former Jacobins and dignitaries alike. On the eve of the Coronation, the future Empress Joséphine asked for an interview and confessed to the Pope that her marriage to Napoleon had been closed only on a permanent basis. Pius replied that, according to the provisions of Canon Law, he could only crown Joséphine as an ecclesiastically wedded wife, but not as a sinful concubine. Napoleon was informed of the intention of the pope, and gave instructions for the earliest possible preparation for an ecclesiastical ceremony, which was carried out at midnight in his study by his uncle, Cardinal Joseph Fesch.

                                                              Has one of Donald Trump wifes been rom.-catholic ?

         1 President and his multiple first Ladies ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D also called sinfuls concubines
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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4318 on: November 17, 2016, 03:49:04 PM »
 There is no such thing as absolute security.We all must die one "day".Rules and regulations are the price we pay for living together in groups.One man can change the world,hopefully for the better.All of this worry about the future often is just wasted effort.One man can change the future.One man might turn that plastic in the oceans into more "fish".Maybe  one day mankind will start looking at maintaining wildlife like having money in the bank.Maybe we will value nature more than we do now.triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #4319 on: November 17, 2016, 03:50:43 PM »
The world will still be here even if humans are not.triffid

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