Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Custom Search

Author Topic: I see an economic diasater coming...  (Read 1440761 times)

Qwert

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 924
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3735 on: June 09, 2014, 12:19:58 PM »
LancaIV, what's your point?
The first link is about discrepancy in average earnings in Ukrainian regions and shows that the West regions earn more comparing the East. So, it would be understandable if the Western Ukraine want to separate from the East and not share their earnings. And here is something quite opposite: East want to separate from the West; no comprehende for me.

lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5233
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3736 on: June 09, 2014, 12:27:12 PM »
LancaIV, what's your point?
The link is about discrepancy in average earnings in Ukrainian regions and the West regions earn more comparing the East. So, it would be understandable if the Western Ukraine want to separate from the East and not share their earnings. And here is something quite opposite: East want to separate from the West; no comprehende for me.


EU-Standards: Rationalization ! Dropping out 30% and more industrial "manpower" in the steel-/mining sector !
                                    Comprende ,hombre ? ;)


Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.: also understand the difference between reality and "fear visions" inputed also by
         interests-/power-groups .org/media
         and : No,not "Ukraine - a virtual sociological object" wants to separate hisself,
         we are disussing about people/groups ! 

Qwert

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 924
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3737 on: June 09, 2014, 12:51:58 PM »

EU-Standards: Rationalization ! Dropping out 30% and more industrial "manpower" in the steel-/mining sector !
                                    Comprende ,hombre ? ;)


Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.: also understand the difference between reality and "fear visions" inputed also by
         interests-/power-groups .org/media
         and : No,not "Ukraine - a virtual sociological object" wants to separate hisself,
         we are disussing about people/groups ! 

Sorry, still no results. This texts are original German ones and the automatic translator translates words only, does not care about the German/English construction differences; thus it's quite hard to digest for me.
And in both texts I see nothing about steel/maining sectors of industry.

lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5233
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3738 on: June 09, 2014, 01:33:47 PM »
                                Qwert,please : be serious ! ??? :o ;)
                we are not discussing about only one text-content 
                                                  better
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUkraine&edit-text=
                                         where you can also read

The "language issue" is a controversial issue in Ukrainian politics. The oriented to RussiaParty of Regions and the Communist Party are in favor of complete equality of Russian as a second official language. The "orange", Western-oriented parties around the former president Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko and nationalist parties but this declined so far.
Under Viktor Yushchenko was an active Ukrainisierungspolitik operated, such as the Russian was forced back into schools and in everyday life and introduced a number of measures that should promote the use of the Ukrainian language. However, the 2010 elected president Yanukovych raised many of these measures again, while the opposition to Yulia Tymoshenko protested vehemently. [25]

                                     how act your para-/sympaticus as Ukrainian/Russian   ?


 
       Ukrainisierungspolitik =                  other word -often used -          Saeuberungspolitik
                                                                                                               Fremd-Gen-ozid     

       Ukrainisierung-                              Krai-nisierung                                           Arisierung
       Links-orientierter                                 oder                                      Rechts-orientierter

                                                      Swastika-Polarisierung

With the dissolution of the Soviet Union , Ukraine gained in December 1991 after a referendum with 90.3% support their national independence. Since then, it seeks its national identity and international role between a Western orientation, such as integration into the European Union , and an eastern orientation, ie a political orientation towards Russia. The Ukraine has suffered since independence under heavy economic and demographic problems. Since its independence, the population dropped by more than 6.25 million people. [36] on the economic efficiency of the Soviet Union could not be achieved since then. The gross domestic product of Ukraine reached in 2012 only 69.3% of the value of 1990. [37][/font][/size]


                          comparing with our experience and remarks

                                                   1.view :
                                                   1989
                  Do you know how many % workers in the G.D.R. has been
                   - related the F.R.G./E.U.-economical/social standarts -
                                                  obsolet ?


                                                   2.view :
                                                    2014   
                 Do you know the South-Espain unemployment quote ? Age related ?
                                 much seasonal working( hotel/agro)


                                                   3.view :
                 How many employment is ukrainian estate sector related ?
                           privatization since the glasnost/perestroika


                 now what do you think about Ukraine habitants behaviour :
                 innerestate migration ? emigration ?
                 Disillusionized receiving something like "HartzIV" /E.U.-budget spended ?

Qwert

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 924
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3739 on: June 09, 2014, 04:34:04 PM »
LancaIV, how these articles are relative to the issues of Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine? Or to the Ukraine-Russia relations? Or maybe there are some other important relations?
If you want me to be serious in such discussion, you have to provide a link to the particular issue (it is possible); otherwise it can take weeks to read all the content of a site and I still will not be sure what kind of an issue (which article) was/is on your mind.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 07:19:09 PM by Qwert »

lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5233
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3740 on: June 09, 2014, 08:11:30 PM »
this  is right - your statement : otherwise it can take weeks to read all the content of a site


                                             I lived in such a content : East/West Conflict

                                  I studied ex-and internal that global social contents


so I like to discuss with informated people who knows the difference between   


                                                  to live in front or behind
                                        Todesschutzstreifen/Eiserne Vorhang

                                      with fear : big  MFS/KGB is watching you
                                                       
                                              and the economical condition
waiting hours/days/week(-s)/months to buy something what if not personally usefull can be bartered


                            Qwert,do you only want to entertain me/us ?

SeaMonkey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1292
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3741 on: June 09, 2014, 10:40:08 PM »
Qwert,

At the governmental levels the United States of America
has been Trance-Formed into a Beast which has brutal
designs on what remains of the Free-World;  that part of
the World which is still free from the stranglehold of the
IMF/Rothschild/Federal Reserve systems of enslavement.

On the other hand the People of the United States are
just like the People everywhere on Planet Earth - essentially
good People who work with integrity to promote good will
and peace.

Our international problems and wars are never caused by
the People, but are always the actions of the Ruling Elites
who crave Power and Control as well as their Love of Money
and their Opulent lifestyles.

Unfortunately, most of the People do not know how to properly
interpret World Events as presented via the the propagandized
Media which is completely controlled by Big Money and their mission
is to cover the lies and make government look good.

Those of us who love Truth must do what we are able to make
the Truth known to those who have fallen victim to the lies of
the media.

There is abundant Truth to be found on the internet regarding
the changes which are slowly taking place in Russia which are
meant to overcome the brutalities of the Soviet Regime.  Many
Russians have not yet fully awakened to the True Source of their
horrendous difficulties under Soviet Rule.  There is, however, reason
for optimism.  Russia is moving towards what the United States of
America long ago stood for while the United States of America is
morphing into a replica of the old Soviet Union.

Be aware of who created the Soviet Union and how those same
entities are resurrecting it in the nations of the West.

Washington's Iron Curtain in Ukraine

The Coverup that Lives On

Is it not amazing how one small Middle-Eastern Rogue Nation
is able to wield control over Europe and the U.S.?

Saber Rattling for War

« Last Edit: June 10, 2014, 01:10:05 AM by SeaMonkey »

Qwert

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 924
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3742 on: June 10, 2014, 01:04:45 AM »
SeaMonkey, this time I fully agree with you, both about the West and USA, and about Russia. This time I can't find anything else to add. Everything you are talking about in this last post, I already know I guess. Until 1981 I lived in Poland and I know what it is the Soviet Union methods and I am able to compare that with present days Russian methods of suppression; and yes, the methods I find today in the USA in some cases remind me those I have already know from Poland of communist era. But in today's world, I find USA and some Western countries the most suitable places for my needs to live. Even despite the fact that Poland already isn't a communist party, I find USA still better place to live over Poland. On the other hand, in my opinion, Russia, especially Putin's Russia I consider still long way behind Poland and some former communist countries as a place for comfortable life where freedom rules.

Edit:
Meanwhile you added some text/links. The source of these links dwells in a country where the freedom of speech is a constitutional right and these rights here are respected despite those negatives about the West and allies. I can't imagine any similar site with negative texts against government on Russian soil. Do you? Can you find a site with negative texts about Russian government which is located in Russia? This is the reason I don't visit such sites: I don't find counterparts.

SeaMonkey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1292
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3743 on: June 10, 2014, 01:24:35 AM »
Qwert,

For only having lived in America since 1981 your English is
very good!  You've assimilated well.

Chicago is an interesting city.  I was in Chicago three times
in May of 1960 while at Navy Boot Camp at Recruit Training
Command, Great Lakes, Illinois.


SeaMonkey

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1292
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3744 on: June 10, 2014, 02:30:46 AM »
For the time being there is still considerable freedom of speech
in the U.S. although that is slowly being eroded and is certainly
under threat from the ruling elite.  In Europe freedom of speech
is severely restricted and many politicians in the U.S. want the
same sort of restrictions imposed upon speech here.

I don't expect those countries like Russia to exhibit the same
freedoms so soon in their transition to something better than
they were - it may take some time.  Soviet Programming and Mind
Control doesn't go away quickly.  It may take decades to fully
overcome.

Constitutional limitations of power of the federal government have
been craftily overcome through the creation of NUMBERED LEGAL
PERSONS who are given a NAME derived from the Name of the
Citizen.  Most Courts in the U.S. will not permit the Constitution or
Constitutional Rights to be raised as a protection.  Common Law
has been usurped by Contract Law, Corporation Law and the Law
of the Sea.  More and more the People are screwed.

Lawyers, as Officers of the Courts, are beholden to the Courts and
their Rules and very often (too often) have a Love of Money which
greatly exceeds any concerns they may have for their clients.

In the United States most politicians are Lawyers.  Most politicians
are liars.  Most politicians are crooked.  Most politicians believe they
are above the Law.

Obama's "Change" has been bad news...

lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5233
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3745 on: June 10, 2014, 02:56:43 AM »
My experience during Gromyko/Jaruzelski/Breschniew aera:
visiting the German.Democratic ::) .Republik and the eastern family members
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgov.genealogy.net%2Fitem%2Fmap%2FDINADTJO51DH&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgov.genealogy.net%2Fitem%2Fshow%2FDINADTJO51DH&h=177&w=215&tbnid=RoY6lJ1dHFb8GM%3A&zoom=1&docid=HgrQwrkrBI5ybM&itg=1&ei=G1SWU5ixA8jN7Ab5-oCIDw&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=1303&page=1&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=0CEEQrQMwBg


Buying cheaply very good written scientifical books and a chemical experiment box .


But the spanish Franco-aera with the paramilitaric guardia civil was not better than the living conditions during the east german Honecker/Stoph regime !

                                nomen et omen : democratic

Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.: about lawyers: my portuguese grandfather was judge by the Supreme Court

MGrigorj

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1
    • выборы в мосгордуму
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3746 on: June 10, 2014, 05:52:37 AM »
It just shows me I need a dry hole to build a good fire in.triffid (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)

Sergh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 581
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3747 on: June 10, 2014, 08:09:25 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj_hCvxo4bU
It seems just want to destroy the city. To punish their citizens. That then do not interfere produce shale gas and make Profit for Chevron.

Qwert

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 924
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3748 on: June 10, 2014, 02:12:35 PM »
Sergh, look how destroyed city, INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED looks like:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+destroyed+city+of+syria&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb
And president Putin's administration backs that regime which does that.

Your example shows just one building slightly DAMAGED, not destroyed; looks like UN-INTENTIONAL damage, probably by some kind of an error. There are even workers with heavy equipment trying to fix that; it would be rather impossible to fix if it was destroyed. And guess why it happens only in eastern part of the Ukraine? Because there are pro-Russian terrorists. And Russian government would do the same IF something like that happen on Russian territory. Remember Chechnya?

From the news about Ukrainian Army members leaving military posts, desertion, etc., I see that that army is absolutely NOT prepared for any kind of military intervention. And Russian media and Russian government insist that they are or were prepared by USA and/or the West. What kind of a logic is that?
« Last Edit: June 10, 2014, 05:10:00 PM by Qwert »

lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5233
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #3749 on: June 10, 2014, 05:37:46 PM »
                                                             Sarajewo

                                                              Grozny

                                                              Liberec
                                                             Guernica

                                                             Hiroshima
                                                             Nagasaki


                                Human KATA-STROPHEN -tourism/sightseeing
                                                           radix-radical 
                                                               cruel
                                     in all of us is holly and hell potential
                                           we can give and take life       


                                                         YES WE CAN


              Actually we are in the "never more war"-moment untill the next war


                                                       DaDaIsm-Situation
                      included political and economical self-overestimation


            U.S.A. + Sowjetunion 1950 : 330 Mill. "young"habitants        2500 Mill. habitants :world
            U.S.A. + Russia          2014 : 360 Mill. "old"                            7000 Mill. 


            U.S.A. + Sowjetunion  1950 :   2 Bill.  G.K.-$                                5,35 Bill G.K.-$     :world
            U.S.A. + Russia           2013 :   19Trill. PPP                                 74     Trill. PPP


Source: OECD http://browse.oecdbookshop.org/oecd/pdfs/free/4101015e.pdf
                       G.K.$  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geary–Khamis_dollar

              http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Länder_nach_Bruttoinlandsprodukt
                       PPP purchaising power parity