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Title: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: magnetman12003 on August 26, 2009, 11:14:58 PM
Click the below link and see for yourself.

 Need lenght/diameter of iron core and ? nail size used. Also need lenght of wires used to replicate.  Whats the difference between a SWG and a AWG wire designation?  is 30 AWG wire the same as 30 SWG wire?

All input welcome. So far the inventor has not posted in this forum.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4A1UUIBDv0&feature=channel_page

Tom
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: MileHigh on August 27, 2009, 04:44:04 AM
Magnetman:

It's a fake.  It is probably a self-contained "no bearing Bedini motor" where there is a battery and transistor and crap inside the coil.

In his description of the circuit he says, "as the reed switch closes some energy is released from the capacitor, which activates the primary coil."

That is completely untrue, and demonstrates that this is a fake.  When the reed switch closes, any energy in the capacitor is instantaneously discharged through the reed switch itself.

MileHigh
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Goat on August 27, 2009, 05:17:57 AM
Click the below link and see for yourself.

 Need lenght/diameter of iron core and ? nail size used. Also need lenght of wires used to replicate.  Whats the difference between a SWG and a AWG wire designation?  is 30 AWG wire the same as 30 SWG wire?

All input welcome. So far the inventor has not posted in this forum.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4A1UUIBDv0&feature=channel_page

Tom

@ magnetman12003

Here's a good chart for wire size comparison at http://www.bulkwire.com/wiregauge.asp

AWG and SWG are pretty close but not the same size, you can see the Circular Mils on the chart if you need it for inductive calculations :)

He mentioned he had it going for over 1 month so it'd be interesting to try a replica.

Edit: Forgot the picture :)

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: allcanadian on August 27, 2009, 07:01:00 AM
@milehigh
Quote
It's a fake.  It is probably a self-contained "no bearing Bedini motor" where there is a battery and transistor and crap inside the coil.
In his description of the circuit he says, "as the reed switch closes some energy is released from the capacitor, which activates the primary coil."
That is completely untrue, and demonstrates that this is a fake.  When the reed switch closes, any energy in the capacitor is instantaneously discharged through the reed switch itself.

LOL, milehigh do you give even a moments thought to the BS you post?. You remind me of that scared little chicken who thought the sky was falling only in your case everything is a fake, it's a fake--it's a fake ---run, run for your lives, LOL. This circuit is in fact decades old, patented under the guise as a electric toy driver circuit and if you actually bothered to build anything you would know it works just fine.
AC
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: MileHigh on August 27, 2009, 08:08:57 AM
AC:

What kind of toy?  How about explaining how the device in the YouTube clip works, I am curious to hear what you have to say.

MileHigh
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 27, 2009, 08:58:00 AM
AC
Do you have any references to the patents? 
Thanks

Magluvin
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 27, 2009, 09:02:18 AM
AC:

What kind of toy?  How about explaining how the device in the YouTube clip works, I am curious to hear what you have to say.

MileHigh
i think he told you to do your own due diligence... but that will probably be fake too ;)

it is cute how you're jumping around giving all this advice everywhere, even though you do not do experiments...
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: HeairBear on August 27, 2009, 02:52:15 PM
Here is a similar device that works on the same principals...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1gslDaeS4
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: magnetman12003 on August 27, 2009, 04:09:56 PM
Hi All,

I see the inventor has taken his motor device movie clip off of U tube. Not before a good look by many in this forum.

I contacted the inventor while his movie clip was on the U tube and asked him to post the motor device in this forum. Never recieved a reply back. He could of collected the overunity prize money.
It looks like he was either bought off for a larger sum or  he might of faked it somehow?  I dont know.
Who is going to try to replicate it that is skilled  winding coils? Get it going and you can collect on overunity.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 27, 2009, 07:19:23 PM
Yep  he took down the ones that showed the circuit diagrams. On his YT, ZEROPOINT132, his vid that doesnt show the circuit, says now he has been told, not asked, to delete them and not to show anymore public or private.
The other vid he had the circuit drawn a different way than posted above.
Does anyone have that one?
The one posted above, doesnt make sense like the other one did. I was going to write the other one down last night, but put it off till today. now its gone.
Magluvin
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: hartiberlin on August 27, 2009, 08:14:15 PM
Too bad,
video has been removed.
Has anybody stored this video to their
harddisk and reupload it to youtube again ?

Many thanks in advance.

Please always use
www.keepvid.com
to pull off interesting videos from youtube,
so they can not get lost.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: hartiberlin on August 27, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
Too bad have not seen it yet,
video has been removed from youtube.

Has anybody stored this video to their
harddisk and can reupload it to youtube again ?

Many thanks in advance.

Please always use
www.keepvid.com
to pull off interesting videos from youtube,
so they can not get lost.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Asymatrix on August 27, 2009, 08:21:20 PM
i think he told you to do your own due diligence... but that will probably be fake too ;)

it is cute how you're jumping around giving all this advice everywhere, even though you do not do experiments...

And, of course you will do no due diligence, and build/test nothing. Only troll, complain, whine, stamp your feet, find any possible fault, then claim to be a good samaritan offering constructive criticism. Lather, rinse, puke, repeat.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 27, 2009, 08:39:40 PM







hartiberlin
His YT home page shows a vid of it working and remotely  spinning a magnet in the jar. 

http://www.youtube.com/user/ZEROPOINT132

Its the vid that shows the claim of being told to not show.
The coil setup is to the left. The leg off holds the reed switch and led above the spinning sphere mag.

But the other vid that had shown another diagram made more sense in how the coils were wired compared to above. The one above seems to show the coils in parallel (diode in series) and the rest of the circuit connected to one coil. The other circuit, the coils were not in the same arrangement. But I dont recall exactly how. Ill have to draw it out and see if I can come up with what I saw made sense.

Magluvin
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Lakes on August 27, 2009, 09:02:47 PM
http://rapidshare.com/files/272269431/Self_Magnetic_Spinning_Motor_Alien_Technology.flv.html

This is the video with the circuit diagram as posted here, sorry, didn`t save the others..
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 27, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
And, of course you will do no due diligence, and build/test nothing. Only troll, complain, whine, stamp your feet, find any possible fault, then claim to be a good samaritan offering constructive criticism. Lather, rinse, puke, repeat.
wrong as usual. this circuit is not something new as ac noted. furthermore, as he also so astutely noted, you would know that if you did something other than blab from your ivory tower of knowledge gleaned from wiki. i should post a circuit that uses 6 components (no battery, no magnets, no large coil) yet still lights a led and those of who know what's going on can laugh while you, mh and the rest of the merry band of sycophants chant fake...

i once saw a comment on a youtube video where someone was showing an arc in a xenon tube. the comment said "fake! photoshop after effects". was that you asy?

and it's 'Samaritan'. you have to capitalize it or you risk being illiterate like me. we don't want that, you would give us illiterates a bad reputation. ;)
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 27, 2009, 09:21:59 PM
thanks lakes. was going to upload my copy but you beat me to it.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Lakes on August 27, 2009, 09:22:38 PM
Did you save the others?
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 27, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
Did you save the others?
no, just that one, sorry. i didn't even watch the others to be honest.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 27, 2009, 09:34:28 PM
lakes, if you watched them all you could probably pull them off your hdd with a program like file scavenger.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 27, 2009, 09:47:48 PM
Bah. I tried to draw up what it was, but its eluding me. It had the 2 coils as a singular, one was red and the other blue. The axis of the coil was left to right. Red and blue leads on the left, and the other 2 on the right. On the left, the red lead went down and to the right where the other cicuitry was, and also from the left of the coil, the blue lead went up and to the right, toward the other circuitry.  It may be the difference in how it was laid out that is fooling me into thinking that it was a different hookup.
But the individual runs from the far left of the coil to the other circuitry had me imediately checking the differences.  Man I wish I had taken the time to draw it out. I was tired, and now it has me really wondering.

Magluvin
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Asymatrix on August 27, 2009, 10:33:47 PM
wrong as usual. this circuit is not something new as ac noted. furthermore, as he also so astutely noted, you would know that if you did something other than blab from your ivory tower of knowledge gleaned from wiki. i should post a circuit that uses 6 components (no battery, no magnets, no large coil) yet still lights a led and those of who know what's going on can laugh while you, mh and the rest of the merry band of sycophants chant fake...

i once saw a comment on a youtube video where someone was showing an arc in a xenon tube. the comment said "fake! photoshop after effects". was that you asy?

and it's 'Samaritan'. you have to capitalize it or you risk being illiterate like me. we don't want that, you would give us illiterates a bad reputation. ;)

In other words, you do no tests, build nothing, and troll as always. Thanks for confirming everything I said.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 27, 2009, 10:47:29 PM
In other words, you do no tests, build nothing, and troll as always. Thanks for confirming everything I said.
wrong again. actually i build and test many things. for example, the circuit i mentioned earlier, or this one.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg142258#msg142258
once again you are posting patently false information. Q.E.D.

good job on that due diligence though ::)
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: MileHigh on August 28, 2009, 12:30:49 AM
So I guessed nobody wants to comment about the reed switch shorting out the capacitor which defeated Zeropoint123's "explanation" for the circuit being a free energy device.  Perhaps Zeropoint123 saw that comment and paniced and pulled his videos and played the MIB card.  Meanwhile AC thinks the solution to all of the world's energy problems has been under our collective noses and hidden within the toy industry.  I am running off to The Sharper Image tonight!

MileHigh
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: HeairBear on August 28, 2009, 12:59:35 AM
It's not a fake and it's not OU. The experienced can make one of these in a night. The not so ambitious will never know till mommy makes one for them. It's a simple bifilar wound coil and a few easy to understand parts. Cheap too! Even if you have no clue about electronics you might get it right away since there are only a handful of ways it can be put together. If you have a Bedini coil laying around, use that... It doesn't have to be exact as the video to work. Use common sense.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: MileHigh on August 28, 2009, 03:11:19 AM
HeairBear:

If you are trying to imply that you can put together a bifilar coil and a few other parts (no battery) and then spin a ball magnet or one of those funky Mexican snake egg magnets in front of the coil and it will spin indefinitely, that won't happen.

MileHigh
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 28, 2009, 03:12:13 AM
"It's not a fake and it's not OU."

I have heard this before. I that to say that it gets its power externally?

Magluvin
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Freezer on August 28, 2009, 03:26:20 AM
I got a screen grab of it, but don't know how much help it will be without the inductance values.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 28, 2009, 03:39:22 AM
One thing that makes me leary is the diode. Considering the explanation, Is it a 2 cycle magnet motor? If my memory serves, reed switches will activate in either pole. But the coils will operate electrically different, depending on the pole that rotates through, due to the diode. The N pole passing through will produce current in one direction, and S the other. Diode.
Yet the reed will pulse twice per rotation. I gota see that other drawing again.
I like the ideas involved though.
The idea of the coils being in the same position and combined, may not have to be, as long as each gets its dose of flux at the same time.
The resistance of such a coil, at that diam/length would be pretty high, R/C time, reed switches, I like it.  The reed may intentionally and timely short the cap for a purpose! Dunno. But sounds like fun.

As said, it is simple enough to mess with.

Magluvin
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 28, 2009, 03:43:15 AM
Hmm   well thanks freezy. you came though like a champ!   It is different. but the diode seems to interfere.
Hmm

Maghmm
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: HeairBear on August 28, 2009, 03:46:24 AM
If anyone feels the ball magnet version is too hard to do, try doing this version... He explains quite clearly how to make it work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ&feature=related
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Asymatrix on August 28, 2009, 04:32:07 AM
wrong again. actually i build and test many things. for example, the circuit i mentioned earlier, or this one.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg142258#msg142258
once again you are posting patently false information. Q.E.D.

good job on that due diligence though ::)

The Q.E.D is that you spend most of your time trolling, looking for fault, and NOT testing the circuits you whine about. Notice how the simple circuit you point to shows no scope shots, nothing. Yet, when TK does real science, scope shot videos and all, all you do is whine about using an exact mosfet. And when he does, you still whine. Amazing.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: hartiberlin on August 28, 2009, 05:10:19 AM
I got a screen grab of it, but don't know how much help it will be without the inductance values.

Would like to see scopeshots of the voltages and current in this circuit.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 28, 2009, 05:09:28 PM
The Q.E.D is that you spend most of your time trolling, looking for fault, and NOT testing the circuits you whine about. Notice how the simple circuit you point to shows no scope shots, nothing. Yet, when TK does real science, scope shot videos and all, all you do is whine about using an exact mosfet. And when he does, you still whine. Amazing.
irrelevant. you didn't ask for scope shots. you said i build nothing and do no tests. i showed that you are wrong as usual.
furthermore your reference to tk is also irrelevant and incorrect.

edit: so "scope shot videos and all" are what makes 'real science'? i wonder what democritus used for science, or newton, or tesla...   ::)
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Asymatrix on August 28, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
irrelevant. you didn't ask for scope shots. you said i build nothing and do no tests. i showed that you are wrong as usual.
furthermore your reference to tk is also irrelevant and incorrect.

edit: so "scope shot videos and all" are what makes 'real science'? i wonder what democritus used for science, or newton, or tesla...   ::)

Oh, it's totally relevant. You bitch and whine about about circuits when there is real testing going on, scopes and all. You willfully ignore massive amounts of scope data, because this is what makes you feel threatened.  You look for any 'in' to complain about, because that IS your agenda.

The two main techniques utilized by trolls are semantics and feigning ignorance. That's you, buddy.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: hartiberlin on August 28, 2009, 08:25:57 PM
http://rapidshare.com/files/272269431/Self_Magnetic_Spinning_Motor_Alien_Technology.flv.html

This is the video with the circuit diagram as posted here, sorry, didn`t save the others..

Hmm,
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Could you please upload it anywhere else ?
Many thanks.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Lakes on August 28, 2009, 08:35:07 PM
Its not a lot different to the current video, both circuit diagrams and descriptions have been posted here now.

In the original he sprayed the glass with what I imagine would be light oil?

Anyway I`m sure one of the ten people that downloaded from the rapidshare link can supply a copy... ;)
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 28, 2009, 09:44:33 PM
Anyway I`m sure one of the ten people that downloaded from the rapidshare link can supply a copy... ;)

i was going to wait for asymatrix to upload his copy, then i realized that would be a long wait for a train that ain't coming. so here is a mirror for harti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySqz7Hgpkk

harti, hurry up and watch it before the mib get this one too.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: AbbaRue on August 28, 2009, 10:11:13 PM
You want to short out the capacitor at one point so the magnetic field is interrupted.
If you don't interrupt the  field the magnetic ball would stop turning.

So shorting out the capacitor with the reed switch makes perfect sense.

This circuit could run for a very long time from the energy entered into it by spinning the magnetic ball.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: MileHigh on August 29, 2009, 12:29:05 AM
AbbaRue:

The only thing the coil setup does is slow down the spinning magnetic ball.  Some of the ball's rotational energy is lost in exciting any currents in the coil setup.

If you think that it's real draw out a timing diagram that shows the currents and voltages in the interconnects and nodes in the circuit and demonstrate how it works.  Or more appropriately Zeropoint123 should be doing that.

This whole thing is a farce unfortunately, and it makes you wonder why people do this.  There is no possible way for this setup to give the ball a push for each rotation.  The ball will slow down as it's changing magnetic field starts to induce currents in the coils.  The ball will give up a certain amount of rotational energy to do this.  Any possible rotational energy increase due to a "push" when the ball "moves away" from the coil setup will be less than the initial rotational energy lost when the ball "approaches" the coil setup.

It's just a nonsense clip.

MileHigh
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: HeairBear on August 29, 2009, 11:30:34 PM
How would he have faked it? A battery in the core? Another coil at a good distance? I would like to see you make a working fake. I bet it won't be so easy...
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: HeairBear on August 29, 2009, 11:39:55 PM
Another demonstration from awhile back...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ARja0DiT0
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Lakes on August 30, 2009, 12:35:14 AM
You can see the reed switch and the LED in the video, but where`s the 10uF capacitor?
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: magnetman12003 on August 30, 2009, 01:04:52 AM
Hi Guys,

I have made a short movie clip showing a possible way a fake could be made with little equipment.

I am not implying any sort of fake was made by the inventor of the device talked about in this thread.
 I am simply pointing out how a similar fake can be made very easily.  Ckeck out my link:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0np3ZSW57y4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit&feature=player_embedded

Tom
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 30, 2009, 01:25:29 AM
Lakes
A 10 uf at low voltage can be quite small. 

Mags
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: magnetman12003 on August 30, 2009, 05:08:47 AM
If anyone feels the ball magnet version is too hard to do, try doing this version... He explains quite clearly how to make it work.

Hi,

Did you ever contact the inventor and ask him exactly how he consructed the basic coil(s) he  demonstrate with on his video?.  I asked him but never recieved a reply.  I for one would like to try to construct several of his coils and see what happens.  Tom


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qF3v9LZmfQ&feature=related
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: tinu on August 30, 2009, 01:20:33 PM
Hi all,

Regarding the original movie(s), the coil is powered. So is the flashing LED. I have very little doubts about it, as follows:

There is no way the contraption produces over 2V (probably 2.4-3V is more realistically judging by the appearance of that particular LED) at enough current (let’s say 0.1-1 mA at least) so the LED lights and that’s after simply considering the huge gap between the spherical magnet and the coil and/or the low rpm and/or the small size of the main magnet that induces B-field in the coil and/or the relatively small size of the coil. Each of the 4 factors that I separated by “and/or” has its importance but the size of that gap is really dramatic and it speaks by itself.

In judging the above, one may either play with math (Faraday’s Law) or go for an easy and much entertaining experimental check. If someone goes for the last, please post the findings for everyone’s entertainment.

So, most probably, a small 3V battery (or maybe 2 batteries at most, series connected) is/are hidden inside the coil and the circuit is completed by the reed switch in series with the LED and the coil. Moreover, I also state that there is no need of anything else for the setup to run as advertised. Providing that the battery(/ies) is/are new, it/they can provide enough current for spinning the two magnets for maybe tenths of minutes or so. The LED is not really necessary but without it it’s quite difficult to properly adjust the distances between the switch-coil-magnet, so the LED acts as a visual indicator of proper coil-firing, for the ease of the “operator”.

Best regards,
Tinu
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 31, 2009, 02:12:04 AM
Has anyone heard from Wilby? Hope he didnt have problems with posting the circuit vid on YT.
Mags
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: allcanadian on September 01, 2009, 05:58:21 AM
@HeairBear
Quote
How would he have faked it? A battery in the core? Another coil at a good distance? I would like to see you make a working fake. I bet it won't be so easy...

Oh, they are all fakes because there is no conventional explanation for them. That is until your buying one off the shelf at walmart thinking---all those critics were just blowing smoke up their own ass, LOL. That is the way the inventive process works, nobody could possibly imagine how it could be done and then someone does it, it's called evolution.
Regards
AC
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Tinker on September 01, 2009, 12:07:47 PM
Lets add this to the Mix.

*Patent
Author   Year   Title   Country   Assignee   Number   URL
   1971   ELECTROMECHANICAL ENERGY CONVERTER WITH LOW-INERTIA SPECIALLY WOUND COIL   United States      3624439   http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3624439.html

What this is a Conical Coil Winding as near as I can figure it has lower or little drag.

Pic's here from Keely-Net
01/24/06 - Magnetricity NeoGen PM Dynamo.

Anyone want to sign on to Free patents might find more I'm out for the night.

Be Well
Tinker

PS I messed up and put this on the Pinestone thread first.
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: mikestocks2006 on September 23, 2009, 05:48:02 PM
This may aslo be of interest.
Both levitation and rotation of the spin plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAtQAIZo0Yw&feature=related

Nice thread/info
Thanks
Mike

Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: jonifer on September 23, 2009, 08:25:06 PM
capacitor is 1 Farada = external battery
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Magluvin on August 02, 2017, 10:25:26 PM
Just some thoughts on this over the years..

What would we have by winding 2 size wires in bifi? Recent thoughts are these...

The smaller wire is very small. If wound together and very neatly, the larger wire could basically lay as if it were the only wire and its inductance and resistance would pretty much be the same as if it were wound alone. So the capacitance would be asymmetrical.

Looking at the first circuit given on this threads 1st page is hard to discern the connections to the coil. The second circuit given shown below again is more detailed as to how the coil is connected.

If this second circuit is correct, then there is a diode in series where the coils are connected in the middle.  So if the coil gets a mag pass depending on the polarity and direction, the coil as a whole can gen up some charge into the 10uf cap. So after the charge period, each winding of the coil is at the voltage level of the cap that can be measured across the diode.  So then the reed closes at some point, and as shown, the reed would short out the cap along with the charge on the coil, which would flow through the diode now that the switch end is closed. So there may be a mag pulse from that and probably optimum reed close position would be if the poles of the ball mag are perpendicular to the coil, pull one side and push the other. Just a bip to possibly keep it going. it could be that the cap is just there to hold the voltage up until reed closure as the charge in the coils may dissipate before the reed gets to close. Dunno yet. Both circuits short the cap when the reed closes.

Now if the circuit were beyond what was given, I might think it could go like this....  Ill draw the circuit later

So we have the large wire and the small wire bifi and the large wire should be identical to a single wire coil of the same size, except this one has a fine wire that can lay in the open spaces between the large wire turns.

Also here we have the diode in the series connection of the coils, and they charge the cap in series, but, the discharge with the closing of the reed switch only discharges into the larger wire coil to push/pull the mag.  That idea comes from the question, why the 2 size wires? Why make them 2 sizes and just have them in series unless there is an advantage due to the asymmetrical capacitance.  So it seems more likely that the coils can work together to charge and possibly just discharge into the larger coil, lower ohms, harder pulse, etc.

Always wondered about the 2 wire sizes and I think that was what most interested me in being way different than others.

Mags
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: Low-Q on September 07, 2017, 07:49:45 AM
My biggest question is: How is it possible to calculate a circuit, accurate positions etc with math that says the output or product is higher than any given input?
My calculator still says that 1+1=2, 1-1=0, 2x2=4, 2/2=1.


Vidar
Title: Re: HAS OVERUNITY BEEN ACHIEVED ??? CHECK THIS LINK
Post by: lancaIV on September 07, 2017, 09:38:31 AM
                          over-unity " output>input process "phaenomen:

It is not a practizising problem,it is a mathematical and physics formula problem and phaenomen exploiting barrier :

                                   (-)1  / 0 =
          Divident positv/negativ and Divisor neutral=zero
                      total result = SYNTAX ERROR

          the need 4D/>4D....Minkowski Space-Time-Koordination

https://www.google.pt/search?q=verschiebungsstrom&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=efGwWcn6BIWt8weWka_ABw (https://www.google.pt/search?q=verschiebungsstrom&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=efGwWcn6BIWt8weWka_ABw)

physics description : Biot-Savart/Ampére/Laplace law applying

listen to the Dr.Pavel Imris capacitive coil patents/publications

the unknown and unkalkulability for engineers and technicians :
measured and approved=granted by prototyp,INPI Lisbon 2008/2009
 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2009154492A3&KC=A3&FT=D&ND=4&date=20110331&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2009154492A3&KC=A3&FT=D&ND=4&date=20110331&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)

                                 force  by power
                             5 KW     : (220V X 68mA )=
                          R=resistive,is it not ?  ::) ;) :)

I am "New Waver",it began with "the class of 1984",visiting the
             http://www.prmg.de/index.php?id=33 (http://www.prmg.de/index.php?id=33)
first minutes by the new class constitution and entering from the first teacher for the first hour lesson,french language:
Fr.Pommer,+/- 25 years old ,greased hair,hippie-like weared

             I see    I think    I decide  open minded and loud :
                          "Mein Gott,ist die haesslich !"
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOE9L6DNQds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOE9L6DNQds)

 By the end of the school-year our class teacher Dr. Michael Hauser
 remarked that our class has been the "Schlimmste" of all classes from the total KFW.
= Zivilcourage : 1+ or Note: 20 cum laudae  ::) :) :) :)

                      Teachers,respect your Audience !
                       Audience,respect your Teacher !

                                  using the 3.dimension sins

                                         " tit for tat "
                                      Bio(s)analytics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2wmKcBm4Ik (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2wmKcBm4Ik)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88