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Author Topic: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps  (Read 146650 times)

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #76 on: August 08, 2009, 05:47:33 AM »
@harvey
I started studying up a little on left handed materials. The 3KW ERR unit had me interested in that I was trying with my logical approach to explain "The Trick". I am a sceptic by default having debunked many magnetic motors over the years amoungst other technologies. It is never my intention to do so but that is the way it panned out.
In this case I had a problem of trying to figure out how much energy could come from such a small collection area. For example if it was a solar pannel you would be pushing to get 50 watts. having just started to read up on left handed materials I first thought perhaps its just a big capacitor or indeed a battery (one side possitive the other negative)
The demonstrations have only lasted a few minutes on the video. I was wondering if you knew the answers to the following questions.
1. What was the longest time it had continually run for ?
2. What was powering the unit when he started to tune it in ?
3. Why his previous units were so difficult to mainntain( did the performance degrade over time)
I am asking these questions in good faith with the view of trying to gain some understanding and remaining open minded.
There are a lot of red flags...but before I become the critic I rather stay on the possitive side of this one.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #77 on: August 08, 2009, 07:49:53 AM »
Hi Mark,

I understand your position entirely and those are valid questions.

1. I do not know the longest period it has ever run but I have been told that they have left it on for over an hour. I do not know if power was being drawn during that time period or not - that would be a good question for Dr. Schwartz. He mentioned to me this evening that he does not have an account here, so it would be best to email him or post a question in the Yahoo Groups forum.

2. I was told that there is a 9V Transistor Radio battery used to prime the system.

3. The rods simply were not cost effective nor consistent enough to provide a real competitive edge against current solar technology watt for watt. The ERR is a continuing project with various setbacks and unknowns related to new frontier technologies. At the time of the small case research, graphene was new and very difficult to produce in larger sheets. Similar problems exist now for Bismuth. There have been some coil failures and undersize wire issues, electric field instabilities near the plates (you may notice they are covered by a plastic cover to prevent ion discharges in the demo), and one of the most problematic was the geocentric phasing which prohibited proper function when moved to a new location.

We hope that we are close to finalizing the research but certain tests and improvements that need to be performed require a specific research facility to be built. Plans are underway to effect this necessity this year if all goes well.

Cheers,

Harvey

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #78 on: August 08, 2009, 08:33:42 AM »
@harvey,
many thanks for your time in answering the questions.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2009, 06:07:49 PM »
Basing on my great (forced) ignorance on the subject...

I see that it could be nuclear.
There could be a high voltage transformer and electromagnetic cavities to induce nuclear transmutation in quite common material.
The key is that I see no relation between left-handed materials and overunity as long as energy conservation must hold.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #80 on: August 08, 2009, 09:36:43 PM »
Basing on my great (forced) ignorance on the subject...

I see that it could be nuclear.
There could be a high voltage transformer and electromagnetic cavities to induce nuclear transmutation in quite common material.
The key is that I see no relation between left-handed materials and overunity as long as energy conservation must hold.

F_dyne

I would think that if such nuclear things would happen as a result of the cavities and energy involved, that we would see evidence in waveguides, microwave antennas and the like. Of course, I doubt that these have left hand properties. It would seem that left handed materials exhibit an internal reflected wave that predominates the energy exchange... like a mirror but phased 180° out? When two EM waves collide inside the material, I imagine a standing wave could form that may push electrons free. It would be similar to a photoelectric effect for cosmic RF perhaps. I can't pretend to fully understand this until I either experiment with it or NARF shares the technology. But it's good to see others thinking along these lines of how radiant energy can be collected and put to use and how that may release energy from the material. Tesla said he had tapped into the very wheel work of nature, but he never fully explained exactly how or what was involved to do that.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2009, 12:20:48 AM »
@Harvey,
anothyer thing that occured to me was how much energy could be recovered if you were to draw out the power at a lower level. Rather than drawing 3kw what if you were to draw 500watts. Would this effect the time it could run for?
I am not sure or NARF's intentions, but i would suggest they sell some licences to develop. This way they can raise funds and hold on to all the intellectual property. It far better to have a thousand engineers working on it than being a one man band.
Like I have always said these are just my opinions.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2009, 02:12:10 AM »
@harvey,A few questions ,did the rods have a circuit,to start the device and a small battery.

Is the ERR an advance version of the elemental rod or
completely different from the elemental rod device.
Thanks

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2009, 01:41:21 PM »
@Harvey,
anothyer thing that occured to me was how much energy could be recovered if you were to draw out the power at a lower level. Rather than drawing 3kw what if you were to draw 500watts. Would this effect the time it could run for?
I am not sure or NARF's intentions, but i would suggest they sell some licences to develop. This way they can raise funds and hold on to all the intellectual property. It far better to have a thousand engineers working on it than being a one man band.
Like I have always said these are just my opinions.
Mark

It is my understanding that there is no limitation on the running time other than related to the setbacks mentioned earlier.

I am not sure either. But licensing does sound like a good idea. I'll discuss it with Dr. Schwartz and see what they say.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2009, 01:44:28 PM »
@harvey,A few questions ,did the rods have a circuit,to start the device and a small battery.

Is the ERR an advance version of the elemental rod or
completely different from the elemental rod device.
Thanks

AFAIK, the elemental rod technology has been set aside and had no power source other than charged particle absorption. The ERR is completely different as it utilized pulsed magnetic fields and different materials.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2009, 07:15:40 PM »
AFAIK, the elemental rod technology has been set aside and had no power source other than charged particle absorption. The ERR is completely different as it utilized pulsed magnetic fields and different materials.

So over the past two years we have had several different overunity devices from the same folks: the first elemental rod device with 2 rods (which has been "binned" apparently); the next version still visible on the Noah's Ark website in the nice plastic case with multiple (6?) rods, also working, also "set aside" even though it would have saved the world from the tyranny of Big Oil, not to mention all those Pilipino kids who are dying of dysentery and cholera because they don't have clean water to drink. But we've set those miracles aside -- why, again? --and we've gone on to another different technology with digital displays and pulsed magnetic fields.

Why am I getting a strong sense of "Deja Vu all over again?"

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2009, 07:34:44 PM »
Look who's involved.

It doesn't appear any of it holds any water...

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2009, 10:47:10 PM »
But Harvey's seen it, and knows the perpetrators, er, the inventors.
That alone makes my little penguin ears perk up. I'd be paying no attention at all, if not for that.

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« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2009, 11:25:15 PM »
But Harvey's seen it, and knows the perpetrators, er, the inventors.

Hmm, that was my point.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #89 on: August 10, 2009, 12:12:20 AM »
@Tk
As you know I posses little of your electronic knowledge, mine is more in the fireld of hydrogen applications and some experience on debunking magnetic motors (many never were mentioned in forums.
I hvae withheld my usual all guns blazing debunking of this one out of repect for harvey, who I believe is an honest and sincere person. I also started reading up on left handed or left field materials. There could be someting there.
My difficulty remains with the power it is extracting seems to be large, However it may have some self chaging properties like a cap.
I will be interested in seeing how his pans out.
I suggest you have a look at the unique properties of these materials and given you expertise and creative abilities it might just discover something worthwhile.
Long shot ..but makes a break from other devices.
with greatest respect
Mark

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