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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2009, 05:42:20 PM »
Hello TK, Amigo - I don't know if I would even try to patent something like the ERR. The way you two make it sound, MIB's are out there but they are not interested in these things or we would know by now. I forget where I read it, but someone in one of the forums, maybe Steorn was talking about patents and government suppression quite a while back. Either of you recall that? Something about National Security and not being able to do anything with it for a year or something like that? I'm sure it happens, or those sections wouldn't exist in the code. At any rate, you know how paranoid I am ;)

I've been told that this technoloogy in simpler form has been demonstrated at university levels. It does not utilize the mischmetal type stacks as that has been difficult to manufacture and the yield was very low thus not coast effective.

Honestly, it matters not what anyone thinks or whether they think the kind Doctor has any responsibility toward the public or not. In fact, I would say that alsetalokin (TK) has a greater responsibilty to bring closure to his OC MPMM game than Dr. Schwartz has to anyone who has viewed his reseaurch statements whether printed or visual. I find no obligation on his part what-so-ever just because he willingly shared the knowledge that alternative energy is viable.

TK, do you think Tesla's work was impossible as well? Do you imagine that his nephew's statements regarding the Buffalo NY test drive was just folklore? What about when he sent a surge back through the power lines at Colorado Springs and burnt out the Generators? Or his Wardenclyffe project, do you think he was building something that wouldn't work? Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it is impossible - after all, your cells are aging as we speak an no one understands why, after 30 years of perfect rejuvination the process just stops. Must be impossible, right?

Get all the facts before you Assassinate someones character.

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Yep, those MIB are smarter than they look. Not a single one came after that "al" character you mention. You know, come to think of it, maybe that was what was behind all that--drawing out the MIBs. If so, it was either a success, or a failure. After all, he always told everyone that it wasn't in any way unusual or free energy or contrary to known physics. "Dr." Schwartz on the other hand, has made such claims in public.
The process of "secretizing" patents that have national security implications is a real one; I am personally familiar with the details of Adam Trombley's experience in that matter, over the liquid metal contacts on a homopolar variant that he invented. (Now you have to shred your computer and poke your eyeballs out, you know too much.) A device like the one in Schwartz's demo IF REAL would certainly be gobbled up in a heartbeat, especially if the details of its initial production are secret--that is outside the normal academic/industrial/military channels. But it hasn't been. That tells me a lot, and perhaps it should tell you something too.
No, I don't think Tesla's work was impossible: It's fully documented, always has been, and is repeatable by anyone. I know this to be the case. The Pierce-Arrow is indeed a legend, we have no real information on it and it is probably, if anything at all, a journalist's hyperbolic misunderstanding of something Tesla was demostrating. No, I don't believe the car was powered by the box. We have no evidence other than "nephew's" anecdote, which means we have no evidence.
The other Tesla items you mention were certainly real and are relatively well-understood and could be reproduced, by a madman, even today. The Wardenclyffe tower--could it have been the basis for a planet-wide communication and power system? I believe so. Could it have allowed extraction of solar energy from the Schumann resonance? Perhaps. That is the experimental question that Tesla was asking. He was not attempting to prove anything. He had the consummate scientific attitude, making predictions based on theory and prior results, experimenting to narrow down the possible theoretical answer-space. Could Wardenclyffe itself make energy? Of course not.

And aging is a bit more understood than you imply. Perfect rejuvenation is a myth; errors accumulate; apoptosis is programmed in; there are perfectly good reasons to get old and decrepit and finally to die.

I don't have to assassinate anyone's character; they generally do a pretty good job of committing character suicide as soon as they start promoting free energy scams.

Doctor of what, now? From Which institution of higher education, or medical or chiropractic or dentistry or veterinary school? And where can I read his dissertation?


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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2009, 12:38:51 AM »
@TK,
The "nephew" of Tesla was not his nephew. I think that says it all.
I do like your philosophy.
This 3KW EER unit could simply be verified without full disclosure of key elements....so Harvey want to meet me in the Philipines?
Mark

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« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2009, 02:26:56 AM »
@Tommey Reed,
Nice setup there. I think that mic amplified the Genset noise ;). What is the wattage of the solar panels? Have you done any recharge tests?

Cheers!

@Mark,
I understand everyone's desire to validate what they have seen, but honestly I see no reason to do so. It doesn't need to be validated, especially by the internet populace. If we reflect on our reasons for wanting validation we will find that they have no purpose other than to satisfy our own curiosity. If TK and the other skeptics would like to believe that this is not what has been stated in the video, then let them - it doesn't change the program in the least. It may burn bridges that they don't realize they didn't want burned, but that's really not our problem is it?

A young man approached a scientist on a street corner and opening his coat he produced a glowing bottle of liquid. "Hey, mister, you want to see some stuff?". The scientist looked at the bottle and asked, do you know what this is? "Yes", said the young man, "do you?" The scientist said, "you tell me." The young man said "It's a colloidal suspension of light emitting materials like radium and thorium, do you like it?" The scientist asked, "how do I know this isn't just some liquid from a glow stick?" "You don't" the man replied.
S:"Why are you showing this to me?"
YM:"I thought you might be interested, and I wanted to know what you think of it"
S:"What's it for?"
YM: "We're going to paint all the street lights and sidewalks and road lines with it in the whole city because it gives light off night and day for 12 years"
S:"You know Radium and Thorium are radioactive"
YM: "I said 'like' I didn't say it was"
S: "Where did you get it?"
YM: "That's a secret"
S: "How much is there?"
YM: "That's a secret too"
S: "Can I buy some? Can I invest?"
YM: "No"
S: "Can I make some myself?"
YM: "Probably, but I can't give you the formula"
S: "If you like this sort of thing, you can join our think tank where we will be doing all sorts of cool stuff"
S:"I don't think your qualified to show this stuff around, or else your some kind of fraud. Do you have any degrees?"
YM: "I'm a doctor"
S: "Let me guess, a vet?"
YM:"I fail to see how my credentials have any bearing on my sharing this information with you, sorry to have bothered you - goodbye"
As the scientist walked away, knowing full well he had insulted the young man, it occurred to him that he would like to have painted the inside of his garage with that. He quickly turned around, and the young man was gone.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2009, 02:57:30 AM »
The solar panels are 45watts,  about 1.5 amps for each battery.

Each panel is connected to 12v battery, I use a capacitor bank for kick start the dc motor.

This system use 36v, 45 watts is just enough to slow charge the unit.

Its just a back up system at this time, I would need more charging amps to do greater work.....

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2009, 03:58:53 AM »
Tommy Check out my panel it was quite the project kept me busy for some time soldering and such but well worth it in the end.

PS Tommy you should really post that nice setup in the solar section so people can see it at work.

Take Care

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6699.0;attach=34284;image

That is my home made panel...

Learned never use hot glue when making a panel should have known better but at the end I was rushed anyhow take care.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2009, 04:18:11 AM »
Here is a link to the elemental rod already discussed ad nauseum elsewhere on this site http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4570.msg99256#msg99256
The original comes courtesy of forum member ZoRG. It is a brochure in Japanese showing the rod form devices and a panel type device. 

Remember that old TV show the Addams Family? Remember Uncle Fester? He had a lightbulb he would put in his mouth. He would then proceed to light it up. Instead of investigating the ERR devices, it would be much better to look up Uncle Fester and his lightbulb and use that as a free energy device.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2009, 07:51:43 AM »
@TK,
The "nephew" of Tesla was not his nephew. I think that says it all.
I do like your philosophy.
This 3KW EER unit could simply be verified without full disclosure of key elements....so Harvey want to meet me in the Philipines?
Mark

Tesla's Sister had a son, Sava N. Kosanovic.

Nikola Tesla’s nephew, Ambassador Sava N. Kosanovic was the administrator of Tesla’s estate. Mr. Kosanovic was the minister of the State of Yugoslavia and a member of theYugoslav Mission to the United States in New York, from June 1942 to October 1944. Mr. Kosanovic was the Yugoslav Ambassador to the United States, in Washington D.C. from July 1946 to May 1950.

Miss. Charlotte Muzar, Mr. Kosanovic's Secretary wrote 5 pages regarding Dr.Tesla's missing papers and her experience - you can read them here:
http://www.teslasociety.com/muzar.htm

Forgot to mention that SNK was the adminstrator of Tesla's Estate, and that Tesla's other nephew (mentioned on page 3 of those pages) was present during the launch of the S.S. Nikola Tesla.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2009, 09:23:17 AM »
The solar panels are 45watts,  about 1.5 amps for each battery.

Each panel is connected to 12v battery, I use a capacitor bank for kick start the dc motor.

This system use 36v, 45 watts is just enough to slow charge the unit.

Its just a back up system at this time, I would need more charging amps to do greater work.....

Nice! Thanx for sharing the setup with us.
It really drives home the point of how much battery mass is needed in conventional systems to provide 1400W, not to mention twice that power. Sort of buries the LiPo theory since the device shown has a total weight of 42 pounds and was easily moved in the demonstration.

Cheers
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Edit to Add:
I know it would take at least 94 of these LiFePO4 to run 2800 watts for an hour, but they would only weigh 30Kg. Too bad they are too thick to fit in the panels. But, if we only wanted to run for 10 minutes, then 16 would work...but then we would have seen them dimming. Ok, mayhaps 32, so even if it came down 50% of charge, the brightness might not be noticable. That would only be 10Kg so the weight is good. But the size is still a killer. Well, I'm sure the skeptics will find a a way to make it look like a hoax - I'm more interested in seeing what new things I can learn from these guys.


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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2009, 09:55:20 PM »
@Harvey,
I stand corrected on tesla's nephew.
Thanks.
PS howlong did you witness the device running for.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2009, 12:03:03 AM »
Harvey,

I guess you've put me in the bag with the other skeptics, didn't you?

I'd love to believe this specific invention is for real but there's way too much noise on the Web and elsewhere about everything, accidental and on purpose as well, that one really needs to stop and reflect on things before jumping up in excitement.

BUT, I will hold no candle for anyone wanting to profit on this invention, or any other like it. Certain things should be free and available to everyone: health, power (energy), water, food. No matter who they are or where they are.

People (in general) have become desensitized and inhumane to one another so much that we have forgotten we only have each other. Under the capitalistic pretense of "There's nothing wrong with making a buck" anything goes these days. Our Corporate Fascist Overlords are a the prime example for it, where it does not matter who dies or which country gets overthrown, as long as they make profit.

I'm sorry, but if Dr. Schwartz has a real thing, then the only correct course of action, in my humble opinion, would be to release it out into the public so everyone can benefit, not just him and his cadre of investors. When one considers that billions of people are suffering on this planet right now because they have no electricity or water or sanitation or health, somehow it seems that good Doctor is helping them remain like that, by being greedy.

Let the history judge those who had the means to help - but knowingly failed to do so.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2009, 03:22:40 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2009, 08:50:26 AM »
If the honorable Dr. really has what he claims, I'm baffled why at his apparent respectworthy age, he would spend years on making a buck, where with the support of like-minded open source researchers, a Nobel prize in physics would be but a formality.

- He'll give out some small, but working prototypes, for us to do extensive testing on
- Help us build larger, more powerful units
- We, will in turn help make the devices safer, and more commercially viable
- We'll start a factory producing commercial portable units, to make sure big commerce doesn't drive up prices beyond the reasonable
- Our profits will go mostly towards free units for charity. They'll know WHO needs or deserves true free energy. We'll attach an educational program. Maybe build 3rd world fair trade factories.
- We'll assist the Dr. in writing down and mass-publishing his knowledge and other ideas, for future generations to take advantage of.
- We'll get him his Nobel prize, for him and his family to be proud of. He'll make more money speaking at universities etc than he'll ever will selling patents to big oil's timeline stretching agents.

Who was he last man to single-handedly bring free energy to the people, all by himself?
Why would on with the better of manking in mind, refuse the assistance of the smartest, most selfless army in the world? This community are like Ninja's. Even if there are but a couple thousand, when focused at one good cause, they can bring down an empire.

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« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2009, 09:48:15 AM »
@Harvey,
I stand corrected on tesla's nephew.
Thanks.
PS howlong did you witness the device running for.
Mark

Actually, to the contrary, I was not correcting you. Instead I was offering a source to the truthful data regarding Nikola's nephews (which is probably not exhaustive). I am not certain how things were twisted about - perhaps mistakes were made mixing up the actor (Petar) who played SNK in the Tesla series and somehow combining the names to get Petar Savo - I don't know the facts behind that story which is fully replicated throughout the internet. If we knew the precise date, I suppose we could get at the Buffalo Newspaper archives and see what really happened and who was there. Most myths are rooted in some truth. It is noteworthy that many persons who migrated from Serbia were renamed when they entered the states. A good friend of mine experienced that, Boris Nikoloff. On his documents it shows his name as Nicholaus. He never used the assigned name. So, one of the nephews evidently had a dual name as well as recorded on those pages. Another thing to consider is King Peter had visited Tesla. So, with all the names and mixed stories, the only thing we know for sure is Tesla's own words regarding such technology and possibly some archived newspapers in Buffalo New York. By the way, the Wardenclyffe site is for sale and some are trying to have it declared a historical landmark.

Edit:
How long? Not long enough to make any conclusive evaluations, maybe a couple or few minutes, I really wasn't counting. The demonstration was simple and quick but the lamp did get warm pretty quick. I had been in contact with Dr. Schwartz for quite some time prior and just hadn't been able to meet personally. When the opportunity was presented to meet him, I jumped at the chance. The live demonstration was just icing on the cake and I was instructed at the time to keep it under wraps.

Cheers,

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« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2009, 10:40:32 AM »
@Amigo & Cloxxki,

I sympathize with you both here. It certainly seems as though it would be easy just give away the farm in the name of helping others. I could round up about 300 or so homeless from LA if you'd be willing to give your houses up for them. It certainly would be a noble gesture on your part. But realistically, nuclear energy is power right? Why don't we all just make small nuclear power plants in our garages? Who owns the rights to all that? We haven't even done a biological study on this device yet - for all we know it heals cancer, or the opposite. I think you probably see that I am over emphasizing the reality that this technology does not belong to the people, yet, nor is it currently known to be safe for the people. Trying to push the issue or expedite its release will be a futile exercise. Dr. Schwartz wants the people to have this technology, but not before it is safe and certainly not if it would have any negative impact on the world economy. The last thing we need to do right now is get a lot of people fired that work for energy related industries. The unemployment rate is soaring badly enough as it is. The best we could hope for in the immediate future would be to fill future needs as demands increase while leaving the current status quo. Perhaps a gradual and methodical conversion from Diesel Generator plants to this technology where it could be isolated and vaulted away from biological concerns. Maybe instead of stealing jobs from current energy providers we can find ways to create jobs.

One thing is certain, hooking your house up to one of these tomorrow is not going to happen. I've already offered to use my house as a testbed - the technology just isn't ready for that yet.

Also, none of us know what Dr. Schwartz may be bound to. For all we know, (and this is pure conjecture on my part), he could have been funded by someone else to do the research and they may hold the production rights, I don't know. But I do know, that it is unfair to place ourselves in decision making seats with regards to research we had nothing to do with. Ever read the children's story about the hen that was going to make bread? From growing the wheat to putting  the butter on it, no one bothered to help even in the slightest. But boy they all had something to say about getting some for themselves - greedy little critters ;D.  Well, the point is, it is not our technology and those involved will do what they want with it when and how they want to. We should be glad that they gave us a glimpse of it and have encouraged us to experiment with some of the fundamental aspects of it. If we were keeping this a secret, it makes you wonder what other technologies are out there being kept quiet as they are developed.

@John,
Hey - sorry I haven't been in touch so much. I was in your neck of the woods state side but I think at that time you were back up north. Are you looking to manufacture the crystals yet, or is there still a parallel issue? So many new developments, we will have to get together at some point. Good to hear from you.

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