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Author Topic: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts  (Read 308838 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #480 on: November 11, 2011, 04:22:42 AM »
By reversing one of the coils winding direction sine wave goes:    positive-negative-positive    OR     negative-positive-negative.
Both coils in same direction sine wave goes:                               negative-zero(?)-positive     OR     positive-zero(?)-negative
I will make some more pics and post. Btw here is my bench link:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=67.0

Thanks guys for that link. Pretty interesting. Who made it up?

Minde

Just saw your bench Minde..   Very nice also.  ;]
Free caps?  Nice.  ;]   I need caps.  hehe.  Ill get them.

I have been on and off lately( on the bench).  Wish I had more time than I have to fiddle.  Last year I was out of work for near 6 mo. and was on fire with builds. My work really tires me. Corvette restorations. I do all interior( no sewing), electrical and tear down and rebuild, bumpers, lights, a/c heat, windows, door mechs, details, perfection.
But the heat is killin me. Tires me out.

Its getting cooler out(S. FL)

Nice work guys.  ;]

Ill show what im getting into with the toroid this weekend.

Mags
« Last Edit: November 11, 2011, 04:47:28 AM by Magluvin »

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #481 on: November 11, 2011, 04:32:57 AM »
Was looking at both of you guys pics again.  Looks like you both have only the first part of the circuit to the secondary caps, and not the second conversion.

So, are you both saying that your not getting output to the secondary caps?

Minde, no spark gap?  NT, are you using the same type of spark device( I have to look them up again) Don used? There were many different ones(spec wise).

Mags


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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #482 on: November 11, 2011, 05:01:56 AM »
Here is latest setup. HV source and large collector caps are removed. I have tried parallel and series spark gaps and 120VDC to 4000VDC voltages.

Once again I must emphasize:  as of yet have never reached any resonance in primary nor in secondary when pulsing device with HV sparks. Also not sure about spark quality.. I dont think it has time to quench.. maybe it does. Not sure.

Minde

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #483 on: November 11, 2011, 05:20:01 AM »
What diagram did you follow?
Circuit diagram below - I was unaware of any others at the time I built my replication. The picture shows the bottom diode coming from the NST in the wrong direction - in fact you can do without the second diode. That part of the circuit is bog standard Tesla coil primary anyway.

The solid state NST is a 9KV @ 35ma (around 25-30Khz if I remember correctly), though I ran it about 50-70% power via the variac (as per Don's notes).

Incidentally, I tried using a non-solid-state 60hz NST but performance was better with the solid state (presumably because of the higher frequency).


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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #484 on: November 11, 2011, 05:21:38 AM »
Looks sweet.  ;]

I think that the spark might be a key element.

Don I believe said that the variac adjusted the input to the neon transformer. With a preset spark gap, adjusting the input to the neon trans. will change the NT ouput, of which will set the timing of when the spark happens (freq of spark discharge)

So if this has been done to no success, then next would be to adjust the spark gap to alter the freq range then readjust the variac again.

So if you know what the possible res freq of the LC is, I would experiment on the timing of the spark (variac and spark gap spacing).  Sound good?   ;]

Mags

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #484 on: November 11, 2011, 05:21:38 AM »
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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #485 on: November 11, 2011, 05:28:58 AM »
Was looking at both of you guys pics again.  Looks like you both have only the first part of the circuit to the secondary caps, and not the second conversion.

So, are you both saying that your not getting output to the secondary caps?

Tested secondary output with a halogen lightbulb and unsuccessfully attempted to use a MOT (both primary and secondary) i.e I know the schematic works in terms of output on the secondary. I tried with fully rectified output, smoother cap etc.

The picture I posted shows initial tests with a HV probe (i.e no load), however without a load and a larger spark gap I ended up blowing my HV diodes on the secondary with a spectacular bang! ;D because of course I was charging the secondary 'tank' caps without any load. Due to their capacity I used 1MOhm bleeder resistors.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #486 on: November 11, 2011, 05:37:04 AM »
Here is latest setup.
Wow! That looks impressive :o - are those the same caps Don used? And the same wire?

I tried to buy the same caps as Don used but could not find them with the exception of the secondary resonant cap which interestingly could not handle the voltage so I ended up using a 20KV equivalent.

I also could not find the wire he was using so ended up buying some thinner 17AWG multi-strand HV wire rated for
20KVDC.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #487 on: November 11, 2011, 05:41:39 AM »
My previous post was in reference to Mindes pic  ;]

NT
I see the diode issue after the NT.  Are you getting anything into those large secondary caps? 

Interesting on the resistors at the output. Do they get hot?

Maybe some of what is shown in the doc file as to what you could try after the big caps. Use a spark gap to discharge into a step down transformer.

Using resistors to step down thousands of volts down to 12 or 24v probably reduces your current availability to the inverter quite a bit.  Just my opinion so far.  ;]

The doc shows your method and just above it as I just suggested.  Maybe the resistor way is more for other types of loads.

Im interested how much and how fast those large sec caps charge up.   ;]

Mags

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #488 on: November 11, 2011, 12:04:37 PM »
qwert:
Thanks for the link. I've downloaded the file. Studying it..... ???

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #489 on: November 11, 2011, 12:39:19 PM »
Read something interesting in the Don Smith files at yahoogroup: Radiant Energy,
called: "Don Smith's emails on Schematic Corrections.txt". Ie, comments from himself regarding his schematics.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/radiant_energy/files/Donald%20L.%20Smith/Ambient%20Energy%20Device/
"... The plasma tube device dipole with the capacitor plates at right angle get's greater than 65,000 times the input. The energy has to be already there to be seen.
Special Interest try to discredit this type of observation.
Since this is energy from the ambient, is high frequency, use a diode bridge with the
negative plate as an open circuit. The capacitor transformer opens the door to an
endless source of useful energy. I successfully built the device here described ..."

Seems very interesting ... open circuit capacitor ... hmm ... that would be tricky to simulate in LTSpice IV ...

Also in same documents you find big changes in his public schematics ... which seems very interesting to test. For example the whole L1/L2 problems gone. Problem how to convert voltage into amperage, solved ...
If info is usable, of course.


Put BIG attention to this message !  :o

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #490 on: November 11, 2011, 08:16:27 PM »
My previous post was in reference to Mindes pic  ;]

NT
I see the diode issue after the NT.  Are you getting anything into those large secondary caps? 

Interesting on the resistors at the output. Do they get hot?

Maybe some of what is shown in the doc file as to what you could try after the big caps. Use a spark gap to discharge into a step down transformer.

Using resistors to step down thousands of volts down to 12 or 24v probably reduces your current availability to the inverter quite a bit.  Just my opinion so far.  ;]

The doc shows your method and just above it as I just suggested.  Maybe the resistor way is more for other types of loads.

Im interested how much and how fast those large sec caps charge up.   ;]

Mags

Based on the halogen bulb lighting and a few experiments with resistors on the output for voltage division it was obvious from simple observation that the setup does not produce much energy and is definitely not over-unity. I did not try a SG on the secondary.

One could argue that the schematic is in-complete and therefore it won't work as intended, however my issue is that the schematic matches the video of the device Don demonstrates (but never runs) and therefore if it doesn't work this reduces his credibility near to zero in my opinion.

Why would someone show you an 'over-unity' device they built WITHOUT demonstrating it? The conspiratory minded would argue that because he would be shut down if the devices was the real deal. Maybe that's true however he could have simply run it with a load and no measurement equipment visible!

 Unless someone can demonstrate a working replication with unexpected high output levels it is not worth pursuing a dead end.

I have grown tired of over-unity claims that have ZERO evidence, and the money and effort required to replicate them could be better spent on other things.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #491 on: November 12, 2011, 01:51:51 AM »
Ok, I did a remake of what I think might help.  ;]  Maybe

I just edited the original NTesla pic above.

First, in the blue square, this is the way I see using the 2 phase, dual output neon transformer in Dons pics. From what I have read about it.

In the original Ntesla drawing(included below), I see only half wave rectification. I also corrected the the lower diode after the NST, as Ntesla said.  ;]   So for the unique NST used by Don, I made corrections necessary to provide full wave the the cap. Using half wave will reduce the charging time by half.

In the blue square I also included a gnd(the gnd screw on the side of Dons NST)  In the red square, picture the sec as if it were the sec from the NST and the gnd(center tap L2), and we have full wave out to the cap after the sec.

Or, in the yellow square, if the turns of the 2 halves are not wound in the same direction, Top CW bottom CCW, then both coils will send charge to the cap(in the red square) at the same time in half wave, but more current, and the center tap is the common.

Not saying the NST has opposing winds on its sec.  ;] I dont know, but if it did, it would also be a half wave situation, but I dont see why it would be opposing winds, its not common.

As you can see my addition of a transformer(just a square ;]) that is a step down.  Also added a second spark gap(green square).

Now, 8000v is a lot. And if discharged into the input of the step down transformer, there should be a good output on the other side. 

I think that if the second spark gap were set to fire at near 60hz, we might be there. Of course the 8000v caps uf value may need adjustment along with the spark gap width will determine the spark timing.  :]

Considering the nice builds you guys have, it might be worth a try, with most likely the biggest expense being the step down transformer and adding a spark gap.   ;]

Ok, im going to work on my drive circuit for my toroid opposing coils setup.  ;]

Mags



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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #492 on: November 12, 2011, 03:50:52 AM »
Was thinking, in my mod above, if we lose the inverter, and just charge the input battery.

Do you guys know the power that your NST uses from input?

Mags

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #493 on: November 12, 2011, 02:16:47 PM »
Hi.
If you, guys are aware of this, just tell me and I'll delete it just to preserve the space.
Tom Bearden on his website has a page about a project "Minuteman".
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/minuteman.htm   
It mentions three patents in the category of Amplifiers, all of them available on Internet. I think they're worth to see.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3239771.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3239772.html
http://www.google.de/patents/about?id=duMyAAAAEBAJ


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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #494 on: November 16, 2011, 05:33:29 AM »
This is a good video example of 2 opposing coils.  ;]
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7QiI8p1gi4
 
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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
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