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Author Topic: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts  (Read 282513 times)

Offline Yucca

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2009, 05:21:26 PM »
Hi flathunter,

nice vids, your 6V spark looks about right, that's what I get on 6V. really nice tesla coil you've got there, nice top load toroid! wireless transmission working well!

I know what you mean about kids, I have a 2 year old boy and 4 year old girl. I only fire up HV after they go to bed.

Thanks for the compliment on the coil, it was fairly easy to construct, if you keep it as uniform as possible then it should have higher Q, but then in this circuit the secondary doesnt seem tuned so maybe its not needed? but smiths coil looked very uniform so I did it like that. I'd like a 40 turn one like smiths as well though.

Your smith circuit seemed to be working well and transfering considerable energy through it, you've got all the parts in place, if you get hold of some rigid sticks, bamboo chopsticks would be good, then you can get your coil more uniform and then remove the plastic pipe because it will have considerable dialectric properties at higher freqs. The plastic pipe will make a great form for you to wind on but you may need to cut it.

Yes, if wat Bill Beaty is speculating is true then maybe with devices like this we can harvest a large volume of EM space by contructing a large virtual aether antenna probably like the TPU, but alot easier to wind because non toroid. If we can harvest EM out of a sphere 5km radius then that's a big volume of space and maybe considerable power can be had.

We just have to work out what to tune the primary to? Maybe a higher harmonic of Schumman resonance?

I've still got to make a good dedicated ground connection, I'll be thinking about doing that next, I wan't a nice wire coming into my lab that is a really good isolated ground, very handy for loads of experiments.

All the best, Yucca.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2009, 09:57:58 PM »
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Yes, if wat Bill Beaty is speculating is true then maybe with devices like this we can harvest a large volume of EM space by contructing a large virtual aether antenna probably like the TPU, but alot easier to wind because non toroid. If we can harvest EM out of a sphere 5km radius then that's a big volume of space and maybe considerable power can be had.

I have corresponded with Beaty about this issue and he reminded me to be aware of hoaxes after i had sent him a link to Kapanadze`s video. If i interpret his answer right, then he doesn t think it is possible to get a considerable energy gain
In theory however it all sounds hopeful and needs to be experimented with.


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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2009, 10:55:33 PM »
I have corresponded with Beaty about this issue and he reminded me to be aware of hoaxes after i had sent him a link to Kapanadze`s video. If i interpret his answer right, then he doesn t think it is possible to get a considerable energy gain
In theory however it all sounds hopeful and needs to be experimented with.

xeno, He wrote the article 10 years ago, its a terrific piece, I enjoyed reading it. Sad to hear that he is not very optimistic about the theory. As you say we should all keep experimenting with the idea though. It would be great even if we could harvest a few watts from a distant radio transmitter.

@all,
I have been wondering how to get a handle on input output power ratios without putting any equipment at risk and I thought of this simple idea:

say we use a 2200pF cap and a 1mm gap on the input coil.

Then we also put a 2200pF cap and a 1mm gap over the output bridge.

Now we simply listen to the gapfire frequencies using microphone and oscope (or PC) or even your ear. If the output gapfire is at a faster frequency then its OU, any thoughts on this, is there something I´m overlooking maybe or could it be a good simple way to check power ratio.

edit:
after thinking more on this I realise gapfire freq on the output cannot exceed input because it is operating in pulse mode and the output cannot be charged without input pulse. but still we could use it because if the op freq gets even close to the input it will show very efficient behaviour so it may be useful for tuning? Maybe in OU mode the gapfire freqs will be the same but the output sparks may be a little louder?
« Last Edit: August 20, 2009, 01:25:16 AM by Yucca »

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2009, 02:18:11 PM »
I seem to be having major problems sending messages to you and getting on OU.com.Maybe the powers that be know how close we are!Why did you think I have Don Smith circuitry in my wireless power video?There's just a typical tesla coil surrounded by several receiver coils with wires of various turns and thickness. These receiver coils are connected to a heavy piece of iron on the floor, and have diode lamps on the wire in between the receiver and the iron.The CFLs just touch the heavy piece of iron. The 70 or so tiny neons (sitting in a hexagonal canvas) are just close to the receiver coil, unconnected, but ionised via the powerful EM field.  There are no HV diodes (yet!) or resistors....I havent managed to get my hands on any, but i will, and then ill try to do a replica of your great diagram.Keep going mate, and if you want to send me any messages you can use the youtube channel.... or im on energetic forum as ''seth'' also. OU.com seems really unreliable at the mo. And i've already sent this message 10 times, but it never seems to appear on your youtube channel - WTF?

Perhaps I'm getting paranoid  ;D

My experiments are going at a slower rate now - have to keep playing with the little girl, you know how it goes!  But we will succeed!  Finished the Bill Beaty essay - great essay....not sure i understand the ins and outs, but its like the old Chinese proverb

''Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand''

Be lucky!



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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2009, 03:51:40 PM »
Flathunter,

I´m a bit of an airhead sometimes, I thought I´d watched you (on youtube a few weeks back) do the smith setup using auto ignition coil, caps, spark gap, and L1L2 wrapped with copper wire on a plastic pipe. But now I think that was xenolabs work.

I´ve noticed problems getting on some servers lately, maybe some trunk connections are experiencing problems? OU.com was just a blank page for over 24hrs for me. Maybe we are getting too close lol.

I was looking at noise last night with my scope on the most sensitive 2mV per division setting. Just putting wire a few cm long on my scope probe for antenna I saw really strong AM sine waves (20mV p2p) in the low MHz region, the transmitters must be multi kW. I´ll bet if you could reach out you could grab quite a few watts. Now if we can just work out a way to suck HAARP dry ;D


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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2009, 06:06:45 PM »
Been looking at Teslas hairpin circuit lately. The hookup of this might also be used into the primary of devices like were looking at, so wired like this:

|------ DC HV -----|
|                          |
|                          |
|-----> gap <-------
|                          |
= C1                     = C2
|                          |
|-------~~~-------|
             L1

Maybe something to explore also?

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2009, 06:28:22 PM »
@flathunter,

I tried to sign up to energetic forum some time ago but didn't get in? And now I'm not too sure I want to, from what I see from the Rosemary Ainslee thread the place seems a little weird, masquerading as freedom but really it looks very controlled? anyone raising logical points that questioned the claims of RA were met with a cult like fascist response, the response was sugar coated, only the sugar was carcinogenic aspartame, maybe its just that thread? I don't like cults, I prefer to stand on my own two feet and cheerfuly make logical observations. Anyway, now I've got dad duties to attend to just like you, I'm sure if we could harness the energies from young kids it would be way OU, they just keep going and going on a handful of peanuts and chocolate  :D

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2009, 07:19:33 PM »
Suck HAARP dry  ;D  With pleasure!!!  I've got this beast about an hour by train from my flat - the station is 2 mins on foot away.  I'll be checking it out as soon as I can!  I'll be taking the video camera also - watch this space!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Td--HItuoI

I'd love to get some juice out of this baby!  Makes me think maybe Tom Beardon was right with all his ''Tesla Howitzer'' talk....  ;D

But I'm with you 100% about energeticforum - some very weird types on there...nonetheless, there are some weird ones round here also - i suppose the powers that be install them on all these kind of sites to distract us from our real work!  I also LOVE a healthy bit of skepticism and can say for certainty that I have never seen OU.  The reason I prefer OU.com is that there are plenty of skeptics here as well as plenty of REAL experimenters - not just talking, but doing also...at the beginning I was chatting here about JL Naudins work (i have a few lifters and a Poynting Flow Thruster - he got me into all this.  Again because he's a REAL experimenter) and i was pleased to hear Tinsel Koalas skepticism - i still disagree with him about electrostatic induction being the mechanism for the PFT - Nonetheless, it was pleasant to hear someone with far more scientific background than me (he seems to know a lot more - by the way...so do you!) explain why I might be wrong.

So - boll*cks to the fascists who dont like a bit of debate.  Even if OU is impossible, I'm gonna have a lot of fun trying, and maybe end up with something which at the least is free in terms of my wallet.  Earth batteries, wind, solar, cosmic rays - they're all free anyway.  Free energy has been around for thousands of years.  The universe keeps turning, and i doubt it runs on diesel....

Enjoy your Dad duties!  If i'm ever in Spain (possibly next year) i'll hook up for a pint  ;)

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2009, 10:35:09 PM »
Suck HAARP dry  ;D  With pleasure!!!  I've got this beast about an hour by train from my flat - the station is 2 mins on foot away.  I'll be checking it out as soon as I can!  I'll be taking the video camera also - watch this space!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Td--HItuoI

I'd love to get some juice out of this baby!  Makes me think maybe Tom Beardon was right with all his ''Tesla Howitzer'' talk....  ;D

But I'm with you 100% about energeticforum - some very weird types on there...nonetheless, there are some weird ones round here also - i suppose the powers that be install them on all these kind of sites to distract us from our real work!  I also LOVE a healthy bit of skepticism and can say for certainty that I have never seen OU.  The reason I prefer OU.com is that there are plenty of skeptics here as well as plenty of REAL experimenters - not just talking, but doing also...at the beginning I was chatting here about JL Naudins work (i have a few lifters and a Poynting Flow Thruster - he got me into all this.  Again because he's a REAL experimenter) and i was pleased to hear Tinsel Koalas skepticism - i still disagree with him about electrostatic induction being the mechanism for the PFT - Nonetheless, it was pleasant to hear someone with far more scientific background than me (he seems to know a lot more - by the way...so do you!) explain why I might be wrong.

So - boll*cks to the fascists who dont like a bit of debate.  Even if OU is impossible, I'm gonna have a lot of fun trying, and maybe end up with something which at the least is free in terms of my wallet.  Earth batteries, wind, solar, cosmic rays - they're all free anyway.  Free energy has been around for thousands of years.  The universe keeps turning, and i doubt it runs on diesel....

Enjoy your Dad duties!  If i'm ever in Spain (possibly next year) i'll hook up for a pint  ;)

Your philosophy sounds close to mine, if this smith device doesn't give us OU then no problem, at least we had fun and learnt some new things and the parts can be used for other cool things, I try not to get too personally attached about any of my ideas or other ideas I'm working with and if anyone questions them then so be it no harm done.

Look forward to any haarp footage you can get. Beardens scalar weapons writings were real nice to read, fantastic stuff!

With regard to lifters, many say it is just ion wind and will not run in a vacuum, there is no such thing as a vacuum, just different spatial densities.

As you say lots of FE already, I have made a large spiral out of black PVC irrigation pipe for a pool heater, I've clocked it running at 12kW, serious free heating:

http://rimstar.org/renewnrg/splyucca.htm

I'm just itching to make some solid state device that will run 24/7 on the massive amounts of energy in the ion region of our atmosphere. If you do pass through south spain then you're welcome to check in to share a few frosty ones.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2009, 02:47:40 AM by Yucca »

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2009, 11:31:02 PM »
Hi
I have also done a lot with the Bifeld Brown effect, and the effect has been replicated in a strong vacuum.
Brown originally found the effect by using a large stack of plates sealed in a box, the box would move without any external ion wind so i think this also proves the point.

Any way looks like i will be joining you guys very shortly, my current research of the kick has collided with some of Don Smiths work.

Peter

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2009, 11:45:23 PM »
@peterea,
Cool to see you thinking of working with this, I think this device may have alot to do with the TPU, making an active antenna, give lots and receive a little more, making a massive virtual antenna from a modestly sized device. Maybe the "kick" refers to the excess received back after a large excitation?

@flathunter
I don't know squat about poynting flow thrusters at the moment, you've given me something to read about tonight ;)

eidt:
i´ve made a lifter before, but never a PFT, I will try quickly with an old CD case and some adhesive alu tape tomorrow, crank it up to just below arcover. lifters tend to have air dialectric, PFT has integrated dialectric so maybe more efficient in space? I should also try and build the rest of my first Smith like device lol.
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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2009, 02:27:00 PM »
Great to hear others are taking an interest in the PFT! (poynting flow thruster). You could easily power it with your flyback power supply Yucca. It seems to work on very few amps, but lots of volts.  And its far easier than building a lifter in my opinion.  I'm discussing the PFT at the moment on this website with another guy who has been in contact with Dr Turtur.  Dr Turtur is a German scientist who claims to have proven beyond all doubt that vacuum energy can be converted into mechanical energy, and he does his best to prove that it certainly isnt ion wind - decide for yourself here

http://philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=155.

we're discussing it here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7723.msg197991#new

I've had some terrible progress with replicating your power supply - i blew another transistor today.  I think i'll have to wait till i get an order in for the 13005 trannies.  I'm still just trying without the circuit, just hooking the tranny between the battery and flyback, cos thats how i got the 1cm spark - and i havent been able to get to where I was on my first ever attempt - electronics can be sooooo irritating!

So, after some frustrating attempts and seeing that Peter, yourself, and Vincent on the other thread were all interested in the PFT, i decided to make a couple of vids with my PFT in action.  You can see them here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6bSjSnMMo0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smSTEkezHuQ

I'll try and keep all other references to the PFT on the other thread about Dr Turtur as I dont think its very relevant to Don Smith.  I'll save this thread for any more power supply reps, and wireless power fun, as I think they are far more relevant to Don Smith.  After all, when i look at some of Dons machines, they just look like tesla coils surrounded by receiver coils, with HV bridges converting the AC back to DC - though i'm sure they must be more complex than that, otherwise OU would be too easy!

PS.  I think you're right about testing the PFT in vacuum, and its exactly what XaeroVincent suggested on the other thread.

PPS. - great pool heater.  I'm gonna show my old man - hes a plumber and often installs central heating systems.

 


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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2009, 04:40:20 PM »
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After all, when i look at some of Dons machines, they just look like tesla coils surrounded by receiver coils, with HV bridges converting the AC back to DC - though i'm sure they must be more complex than that, otherwise OU would be too easy!

You are absolutely right there.
Don Smith never reveals the whole picture. His table device is incomplete (even if it`s just missing "only" the battery and the output transformer) and his other schematics never contain all of the components and contradict his descriptions partially.
I am still asking myself how he manages to achieve a resonant circuit with DC caps without destroying them (apart from the fact that the caps in his table device are only rated for 4000 VDC and he states that the NST delivers 9kV AC ?!?!?)
Maybe the road to replicating his devices is to not stick to his schematics but creating your own circuit that makes at least sense to yourself hehe.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2009, 04:47:23 PM »
It is important to remember that he has several technologies which
work in different ways.


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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2009, 05:01:57 PM »
It is important to remember that he has several technologies which
work in different ways.

So?
Sure they work in different ways, but the concrete exact principle remains veiled and
the selection of components at least appears to be odd. And that`s what would be nice to be discussed here, so we all have some food for thought on component choice.

I have read ALL available Smith papers and know all the theory that`s why i say
the concrete exact principle as to where and HOW exactly the energy gain is concretely established.
Just stating that the high amperage causing electron flow come through the earth ground does not explain under what exact conditions they would start doing that except for simply saying it would occur at HF and resonance. There is something more to it than what is presented by Smith (for understandable reasons).
And equations mean nothing as long as they remain theory.

Like Flathunter said, if any transformer that simply runs at resonance would always yield insane KW of power, then that whole thing would be easy to tackle.
However there is many peeps out there who think they have sussed it out. If they would be able to show me a working replication, i would start to take them serious.
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