Author Topic: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts (Read 455400 times)

xenomorphlabs · « **Reply #135 on:** August 29, 2009, 05:56:08 PM »

Quote from: Peterae on August 29, 2009, 03:12:08 PM

Hi xeno
Thanks for looking this up for me, i have seen a 0.05 10kv which may well fit the size we are looking at.

Almost finished gluing my first secondary together, i think the size is too big, i ended up 3.25 inches diameter DOH
Total Length 11.25 Inches with a 3 turn gap between each 20 turns.

I used 14swg wire for the coils, but think this is too thick compared to your photo's so i will make another secondary and try to aim for 3 inch outer coil dia using 16swg wire.

Dip meter showed res at 3.51Mhz using a 100pf cap for the 20 turn coil, I couldn't determine how accurate the cap was as i have 2 meters and each meter read differently.

To me the dimmer looks seperate in the clear photo and is on the end of the radioshack 12vdc to 125vac inverter , not sure if the bertonee transformer also had a dimmer built in, i have found very little info on this original transformer.

Shouldn't be too long before i'm also melting things

Peter

The dimmer is an extra device attached to the side in the table device.
Have you considered Smith`s advice on quarter length proportions of the coils?
3.51 MHz ? Interesting. Good to see first concrete measurements rolling in.

Yucca · « **Reply #136 on:** August 29, 2009, 07:08:53 PM »

Quote from: bw on August 29, 2009, 06:37:11 AM

I have built two Don Smith devices. I get readings of volts and amps on meter with one device (plasma globe), the other I got nothing but I didn't follow all Don's specs(dipole generator). I know very little about electronics but feel Don's devices can be very powerful. I remember him saying the more rapid the spark gets the closer the load matches the generator. Or maybe Tesla said that. He invented and patented a similar device with huge outputs. Anyway someone on this form was discussing the time between spark discharges changing on their unit. Hope this helps.
I also remember Don talking a lot about photomultipliers so I googled it and after a little research this thing sure looks a lot like overunity. They multiply one electron into 100 million electrons using only small power supply, they're used in night vision devices, old automatic headlight dimmers among others. I bought Don's dvd and on it he describes a few devices and shows the camera a close up view of a neon power supply and says to look at the input and output ratings right on the nameplate. The input watts are lower than the output. His point was that overunity devices are all around us, we just do not realize it. I ordered the neon power supply, mine is "NeonPro" and damn if it isn't overunity. The input is 110v @0.5 amp that should be 60 watts. The output is stated at 5000v @ I forget the miliamps but it calculated to 150 watts output. This guy is for real and I just wish I knew more about electronics so I could SAFELY continue.

Hi bw, nice info about input spark fire freq, something to bear in mind.

I guess in nightvision devices your talking about a photomultiplier which can also be triggered by eletctrons as well as photons. They are very much like a plasma based transistor. You can make one yourself by taking a small neon lamp and then bias it so it rests just under striking voltage.

Then any extra energy you show to the junction will be enough to cause plasma startup and then it switches hard on. I have had a neon lamp critically biased on the bench and then by simply shining a small torch on it that is enough to cause avalanche and ignition. I was shocked to see just how sensitive it was.

Old nightvision devices used arrays of gas tubes (multistaged as onthecuttingedge referenced) with refrigiration systems to reduce noise, they were very sensitive. but nowadays large die refrigirated chips can give even better sensitivity and especially resolution.

plasma conduction is quite magical though with aspects of superconductivity about it, could probably be used in OU devices somehow, so I do agree with you something very interesting.

When you built the plasmaglobe device can you remember approx V and I readings on output?

Peterae · « **Reply #137 on:** August 29, 2009, 07:57:04 PM »

xeno
I seem to be getting some errors in the calcs.

I tried a 100pf cap and got a dip at 3.5Mhz

I tried a 220pf cap and got a dip at 2.68Mhz

i tried a 470pf and got 1.82Mhz

Using an online inductor calculator with my coil dimensions i should have a theoretical inductance of 15.7uH

Now using the dip freq for each in a calculator i get

100pf dip was 3.51Mhz calculated inductance=21uH
220pf dip was 2.68Mhz calculated inductance=16uH
470pf dip was 1.82Mhz calculated inductance=16uH

I don't know what happened to the 100pf cap reading?

Lets use 16uH for further calcs

now my coil i have calculated is using 17feet of wire for each 20 turns coil.

so when you read Don 1/4 wave 1/2 wave ect you get the following

Don says in feet 1/4 wave =247/F Mhz

well i know the wire length so therefore FMhz=247/LFeet

so to calculate the 1/4 wave for my secondary i would need to resonate at
247/17 = 14.529Mhz

Now if my inductance is 16uH this would require a Capacitance of 8pF

So as you can see there is no way the secondary can be tuned for 1/4 wave unless it is the natural resonant freq of the coil without a cap, so maybe it is the other 20 turn coil that is to be made self resonant at the 1/4 wave freq, but the 20 turn coil that has the cap is at a different freq.

The full wave for my 20 turn coil =
998/17 = 58.705Mhz

My 20 turn coil using the 0.5uF cap would res at 56kHZ

Peter

Peterae · « **Reply #138 on:** August 29, 2009, 08:12:04 PM »

Ha Ha
Just read Don's stuff again and b) say use natural freq for calculations

So it looks like i need to find the natural freq of my coil, not quiet sure how i'm going to do this.
Any suggestions are welcome, i am thinking now that if i pulse it it should have a natural resonance i can scope, maybe the ringing freq or something.

I am guessing i may not be far off 1/4 wave already if that is the case

Peter

xenomorphlabs · « **Reply #139 on:** August 29, 2009, 08:23:04 PM »

Quote from: Peterae on August 29, 2009, 07:57:04 PM

So as you can see there is no way the secondary can be tuned for 1/4 wave unless it is the natural resonant freq of the coil without a cap, so maybe it is the other 20 turn coil that is to be made self resonant at the 1/4 wave freq, but the 20 turn coil that has the cap is at a different freq.

The full wave for my 20 turn coil =
998/17 = 58.705Mhz

My 20 turn coil using the 0.5uF cap would res at 56kHZ

Peter

Peter and Yucca,
Smith actually talked in a presentation about the physical dimension length of the coil wire in relation to each other to be 1/4 !
He sais then you are almost tuned immediately, just the caps correct the last difference.
It can be disinfo though, at other points he clearly sais wavelength.
Maybe worth trying it out ?!
Maybe he talks about the total wire length, not only the part that is wound in circles around the coil former ?!
It might explain why he did not use a much shorter wire for the primary as
it seems quite long and bends away from the device and back to the PVC tubes.

Peter, your dipmeter is properly callibrated?
I cannot explain the deviations too

gyulasun · « **Reply #140 on:** August 29, 2009, 08:54:22 PM »

Hi Peter,

If you are using the GDO for the first time (well if you are new to it lol) then the best advice is trying to make coupling to the GDO oscillator coil the minimum possible, i.e. very loosely (usually this means the smallest dip, 1-2mm needle movement) because otherwise the frequency calibration of the dial suffers, the circuit to be measured pulls the GDO frequency away.

It would be a good habit using a digital frequency meter too for checking the actual frequency while taking the dips, at least for a certain time till you have a good grasp on the GDO. Sorry if you already know these though.

Re on finding the natural frequency of a coil. Well if you try dipping a solenoid and you do not use any parallel capacitor with the solenoid then you try dipping it by going up with the GDO frequency into the tens MHz range, even beyond 40-50MHz or higher, depending on your solenoid number of turns, OD, etc, suddenly you should find a strong dip you would not expect if you are not aware of it: it will be the self-resonance of the coil, constituted by the self-inductance AND the capacitances between the turns.

It is a good idea what xeno suggests: take a piece of wire which is 1/4 wavelength at a certain frequency, then make a solenoid from that wire (at first try to adhere to 1:1 length/diameter ratio) and check with the GDO the coil self-resonant frequency described above.
Say you pick 30MHz, it is 10m full wave, and 2.5m quarter wave, coil up a 2.5m piece of wire (of 0.5-1mm dia) onto a 1" bobbin and dip it.

rgds, Gyula

Peterae · « **Reply #141 on:** August 29, 2009, 09:24:15 PM »

Hi Gyula

Thank you for the advice, only just got this one and am still getting used to it.

yes off course i can find the natural resonance using the GDO as well, i thought of that after posting.

i will do the wire test also it will give me some hands on experience.

Thanks
peter

bw · « **Reply #142 on:** August 29, 2009, 11:16:33 PM »

here are a couple of links that might help someone working on Don's devices. The first is the most complete writings from Don Smith I have found so far. It says link is broken sometimes so if it comes up, copy.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/smith.pdf

This next link is to Tesla's patent for a very similar device. http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/U.S.%20Patent%20No.%200462418.pdf

peace

bw · « **Reply #143 on:** August 30, 2009, 09:03:01 AM »

Hi Yucca & Peterae and thanks. You asked the volts and imped. readings, I have no fancy meters, only a cheap analog multimeter and on top of that I really don't know much about it's proper usage other than the one small page instructions, however I'll try to tell you what I got. I tried several ways to charge a 12v battery but I'm not sending dc I think, so for now I disconnect the battery from the coil. I have the plasma globe powered by an inverter running from the battery, on top is my first class aircore coil wound with five too many turns(20) I forgot to count and havent corrected to Don's 10-15 turns of 30 ft. of jumbo speaker wire. Radio Shak didn't label jumbo so I got 16 gage wire, split it like Don said and wrapped it on a 6" pvc pipe. The coil ends connect to an aluminum plate on top for one wire and a brass plate on bottom(could not locate copper plate locally) with a thin sheet of plastic between the plates, this was robbed from the dipole generator I built first. To each plate I connected a wire to feed to a full bridge rectifier(Don mentioned one in a different device he built). I may have the rectifier connected or sized wrong but my goal was to convert the ac from the plates into dc for my battery charge. So far no luck with that part. As far as voltage readings, I show 74 v. ac when connecting red to copper or aluminum plate and black to an earth ground. When I connect red to one plate and black to the other I get zero reading, take one off and meter registers again. You asked the i reading, I guess that is impedance, not sure how to read or adjust that but took a shot. My meter has an upside U sign, if that is "i" then my reading when set to x10 is 1/2 or maybe .6 but I have no idea what that means. Sorry to be so green at this but I'm tryng. It seems that when the plasma globe is on electricity is all over my workshop, what I mean is the meter gives reading without touching the wires at times. I laid a probe down next to a small (1" x 3-4" long)coil spring in my shop and the meter registered volts. Then I tried placing the metal coil spring on top of the globe inside the air coil just to see what happens and I got good volts, forgot how much. Then I held the probe close to the spring and got a small electric arc. that burns steady until the probe touches the spring. The air gets a strong smell of nagative ions whenever I let it arc. The odd thing is that you can touch the wires or spring without getting much shock if any. I held a wire end tight and got a burn but no shock, odd to me. I can connect a test light to the coil or spring and it burns bright as bright gets. I just found and ordered a book I didn't know Don wrote titled "An Answer to America's Energy Deficit" by Donald L. Smith. sold by befreetech thru Amazon.com, it should get here next Wed. perhaps I will learn enough to not electrocute myself when I get it right. Also I think Peterae was trying to find the length of wire to resonate, I had problems because my neonpro resonates at 38-40 khz, Don uses a unit that resonates at 24.7 mhz not khz meaning a ten foot long wire works for his dipole generator(that is the wavelength for his frequency), my frequency calls for a wire around 6,500 feet in length if my memory is close. I found a link to show wavelengths for whatever frequency you type in. If I remember 10 ft. was full or 1/4 wave for Don's 24.7mhz, he says full, half, or quarter length works, the frequency calculator listed something like 119.987 inches. I don't have any idea how much to shorten mine to resonate and I have no idea where to buy or how to wind that much wire. I think the key to getting ou must be in resonating the coils like in an isolation transformer, the coils never contact each other in isolation transformers from what I read, they work much like two tuning forks, ring one and the other one in the other room rings. cool huh

xenomorphlabs · « **Reply #144 on:** August 30, 2009, 02:07:56 PM »

Quote from: bw on August 30, 2009, 09:03:01 AM

I had problems because my neonpro resonates at 38-40 khz, Don uses a unit that resonates at 24.7 mhz not khz meaning a ten foot long wire works for his dipole generator(that is the wavelength for his frequency), my frequency calls for a wire around 6,500 feet in length if my memory is close.

Sorry if i misunderstood you, but Don`s Bertonee (and other) Neon Tube Transformer use the standard frequency range typical for such devices of 10-40 kHz. In his videos he explicitely states his NTF to have a frequency of 30 kHz.
When he mentions 24.7mhz, then he refers to the resonance frequency of the entire resonant circuit (capacitor and inductor) and NOT the transformer.
You are basing your length calculation on a wrong assumption, that`s why your result is thousands of feet.
And look at Don`s table device, there is certainly only a few feet of wire on the secondary coil.
I hope that will get you back on track in building your device

bw · « **Reply #145 on:** August 31, 2009, 04:01:07 PM »

Hi Xenomorphlabs, thanks much for the input and suggestion. I have no idea how to calculate the resonance frequency of the entire circuit, I thought the transformer set the frequency and the circuit has to be built to match or resonate at that frequency. I did try reducing the 6000+ feet to much less by dividing but still no big power. I tried several short versions. My neon power supply operates at 38-40 khz so I used 39 khz as frequency to match. The unit I get readings and visable arc from is the plasma globe Don describes, I assumed the plasma globe worked on much higher frequency. Can you advise me how to find or calculate the exact frequency including my circuit?

bolt · « **Reply #146 on:** August 31, 2009, 05:09:13 PM »

No need to resonant the NST, the NST high voltage supplies ENERGY to the RF tuned tank. Frequency of excitation into tuned tank is NOT important.

Thus 35Khz already contains wide base band signal and harmonics but not so important its the electron volts that will create resonance into the 1st RF tuned tank at any value you choose. This can be just 4 or 5 or 8 turns of wire with cap in the 1000Pf range will give oscillation in the megs range.

NOW the secondary MUST be magnetically and harmonically matched to this singing primary. Non entropy loss coupling appears in magnetic coupling of RF stages where ratio of winding provide E volts squared gains. If my primary RF coil is 5 turns at 10kv then i have 2000 volts per turn. If my secondary RF tank is 100 turns then now i have 200,000 VOLTS!!

With referenced to the earth the local RE ambient electrons are now extremely violent but this amount of volts is expensive to handle so transformer back down by using a 3rd RF stage of just 1 turn of thick copper wire where C will be very large to LC = F.

Now 2000 volts range is manageable we can use Micro oven caps and diodes.

At 2000 volts the loading is completely isolated from the primary NST driver. The 200,000 volt is still in operation and the RE will be screaming to maintain neutrality. It will provide hundreds of amps trying at 2000 volts on our o/p!

Remember number of turns changes volts required. Any frequency required from RF to grid 50/60Hz just add large cap bank to L so the F is lowered to desired operating frequency. Splitting EM components only happens at RF and the higher the better. Once conversion achieved to 50/60 Hz normal entropy losses resume. (deliberate choice so you have to pay for it)

RE = RF in energy transformation!

bolt · « **Reply #147 on:** August 31, 2009, 05:34:25 PM »

"The unit I get readings and visable arc from is the plasma globe Don describes, I assumed the plasma globe worked on much higher frequency. Can you advise me how to find or calculate the exact frequency including my circuit?"

Plasma globe is an exciter source of energy as Electron volts. The frequency does NOT matter.

If you add a 4 turns collector top hat coil and add a microwave oven cap you have made a tuned circuit and the electron energy from the plasma will provide the excitation. The frequency is now transposed into the LC its that simple. All you need now is earth one side and pull of the power into FWB and run a load. The current provided is a by product of Radiant Energy electrons returning home and has nothing to do with the source!

Thaelin · « **Reply #148 on:** August 31, 2009, 07:26:27 PM »

Bolt:
This begs the question of what is the best ratio of uf to uh? As a coil should not be more than 4 times the radius, the same goes for coil cap. For good Q, a low ohm coil to larger cap value should be used.
Any ideas from you?

thay

bolt · « **Reply #149 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:37:28 PM »

4 turns collector that sits on the plasma globe try using Microwave oven cap to start. You can tune LC by adding variable pot R across the C and tune it for best results.

If you have GDO then look for at least 1 meg.

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