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Author Topic: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER  (Read 300979 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2010, 09:26:33 PM »
Some Num bahs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVYiT4zK9Kc

@ Thane Nice Picture!!
Now PB wants "her" Numbah!
{yah think she has a sister??]

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2010, 09:26:33 PM »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2010, 05:27:04 AM »
YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT PB?

SEND ME A REAL EMAIL AT; thane_heins@yahoo.ca
AND I'LL SEND SOME DATA WHICH YOU CAN POST IF YOU WISH.

BTW ENJOY THE NUMBAHS...

T


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2010, 06:34:36 PM »
If this device is working, maybe the next step would be to design a good working core and some bobbins for wire and put them together in a sample kit for trial.

It would be good to have something that would output a few watts of power, like 20 - 30 maybe. I have some NC machines I could use for some small production runs to verify a good working model.

If it's still to far into the prototype area, it is still good to have a working starting point and make advancements from there.


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2010, 07:17:06 PM »
YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT PB?

SEND ME A REAL EMAIL AT; thane_heins@yahoo.ca
AND I'LL SEND SOME DATA WHICH YOU CAN POST IF YOU WISH.

BTW ENJOY THE NUMBAHS...

T

I'm pretty sure the email I sent a week ago was real.


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2010, 10:26:11 PM »
MR T
An Arteest??
PB says he can do that one with his Eyes Closed!!

{ I watched him I think he cheated}!

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« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2010, 10:26:11 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2010, 01:30:35 AM »
Mr.T is gonna be famous [more famous]


"When we finally understand what Thane Heins has discovered, we likely will have to rewrite the laws of electromagnetism."
Michael Brace - Tech Editor EV World

By Michael Brace




Open Access Article Originally Published: July 09, 2010
I remember when I was in college and read about the Josephson Effect for the first time. I was studying to be an Aerospace Engineer, but I had made cryogenics and cold-temperature physics a hobby and followed the science with great interest. In the '70s (about the time I was in school) Brian David Josephson discovered that electron pairs undergo quantum tunneling with zero resistance when crossing a barrier separating two [cryogenic] superconductors. He also discovered that the effect can be manipulated by varying a magnetic field at the junction where the tunneling occurs. This phenomenon was named after him. And, while current applications include the very precise standardization of the volt at the time of his discovery, I also got the impression that he wasn't too sure as to what else he could do with it.

Regardless of how insignificant his discovery was thought to have been at the time, it was a significant enough of a discovery to allow him to share the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973. As history has proven, there have been several new technologies [based on this effect] and it has proven in more ways than one to turn a profit.

So maybe Necessity isn't always the Mother of Invention and occasionally it has to work in the other direction as well. Has Thane C. Heins from Ontario Canada done the same thing; has he discovered a law of physics hereto unknown but intriguing enough to spur the imagination for some modern-day Teslas? MIT thinks so, as do a host of other legitimate laboratories. And so does Thane.

I became aware of Thane's efforts several years back because of my work in EVs (Electric Vehicles). If you had invented an electric motor/generator that can actually help drive itself, you could be sure other EV engineers [like me] might take notice of this 'device'. And that's just what Thane has done; in laymen's terms he has a 'device' that has figured out a way to take the magnetic resistant forces produced by a permanent magnet generator (aptly called EMF; Electro Motive Force) to work for, not against the generator. I'll say it again, but first an educational primer on motors and generators.

Whenever you move a magnet though coils of conductive wire you create an electrical current from which you can draw from at the ends of the wire. Conversely, whenever you run an electric current though coils of conductive wire you stimulate a magnetic field in those wire coils; this magnetic field is used to attract the magnets in a rotor to produce rotary torque. In the first case you are operating a conventional electric generator, and in the second case you are operating an electric motor. In both cases the strength of the electrical current, or of the magnetic field, depends on the strength of the complimentary component. That much we all learned in high school physics class.

However, if you went on to learn more about electric motors, you also learned that the EMF produced by generating a current in the coils of the generator normally works to slow a generator's rotor down. This magnetic field serves to repulse the very same magnets generating the current, so left unattended the rotor [with the magnets] wants to slow down when you remove the rotary torque from it. Not so, according to Thanes' work. He has figured out a way to configure the coils in his generator to switch the polarity of the EMF so that it serves to assist the rotation of the generator rather than hinder it. In effect, it becomes its own motor.

If you are scratching your head right now trying to figure out how this perfectly logical argument seems illogical, don't worry, you're not alone. Every report I read from every lab that tested his 'device' ended up pointing that out in their summary as well. They don't know why it works, or just how it does what he said it would do, only that if you asked the 'device' to provide more electrical power [through load] it would not only do so, but the rotor would speed up AND the input torque to the rotor would drop at the same time. You can see why electric car enthusiast and R&D engineers (such as myself in both cases) would be interested in Thane's discovery, as are several other companies in which he is working with to do more show-n-tells.

Be careful here…if you think about what he has done you might be tempted to say his device defies the conventional laws of physics. And (even as he admits) you might be right. But then again that's why David Josephson's 'effect' uses the word "quantum tunneling" and not "conductivity" to explain how a current passes though resistive material with no resistance. We too may need to re-define the laws of electro-mechanical physics as quantum physics has.

Now to the meat of this article: Thane has asked me re-introduce his ideas to the media in such a manner as to get most readers to grasp his discovery without dismissing it due to a hundred years of preconceived notions. Not an easy task and I told him I would probably fail just as the other journalists before me have tried [and failed]. Most failed, not only because of preconceived notions about what they learned in physics class, but because they couldn't understand the "how or why" of

However, unlike most journalists writing about technology, I am a degreed engineer with over 25 years experience as an R&D engineer with over a dozen patents covering 'devices' and methodologies that have never been seen or done before. Knowing that, you might think I would believe myself up for the task, but I don't; and for the same reasons that other journalists can't convince you (the reader): knowing what he knows about how his device operates, he can't clearly engineer his way from what he has to what it would be good for; he only has some [what he assumes to be] clearly obvious future uses but he's not 100% sure if he can get there from here without a lot more experiments and prototypes. The only problem is that path takes a lot of time and money.

As I said above, part of his challenge is finding a home for this technology, but as in all new discoveries of physics you have to define the parameters of the discovery before you can figure out where your best shot of success is. Thane has an idea of what his 'device' would be good for, seven of them as a matter of fact; anything from a pure generator to a pure electric motor and everything in between…but all un-vetted in the real world of practical uses because [from an engineering perspective] he doesn't know enough about it to design it into an engineered solution (and neither can I); we both need help here.

Couple his discoveries with his imagination and personal convictions -- for the world to go electric sooner rather than later -- you end up with a highly enthusiastic inventor who can't explain himself to the average education level of the general public (much less the technically suave ones). Add to that the consequences of not be able to engineer a good evolutionary course for the 'device' and you understand why (as Tyler Hamilton, columnist for the Toronto Star put it) "…most [people] just walk away not willing to put the time into helping Thane validate it. And why should they?" You may or may not agree with Tyler's statement, but that last part I understand. Why should they?

I think the more appropriate question here would be: What's in it for them? Unfortunately most of the general public no longer believe that the days of Dr. Jonas Salk (inventor of the polio vaccine who gave it away to mankind for free) will ever come back, and as most pharmaceutical companies will tell you, 'no doctor endorsed by us would give anything away for free; if he/she did they should be labeled as a quack.' Well, maybe I exaggerate a bit, but you get the idea.

I run a lab with over 100 dynamometers, everything from fractional horsepower to over 400 horsepower, and I offered to retest his 'device' for the umpteenth time, but unless I knew what application I was testing it for it would all be redundant and not prove to anybody else what he (and others) already know: his device does what he says it will do but that doesn't mean it will do what he thinks it can do. So there, I have tried to get our loyal readers on the same page and I hope I have succeeded.

There in lays another dilemma: how does one convince others that the age old axiom "If it sounds too good to be true it isn't" may not apply here?

Unfortunately this brings me back to my other reason for writing this article: how to explain to Thane (or any other person for that matter) that in today's MBA -- driven world of 'show me the money first' until he actually defines his 'device' for at least one profitable application, and prove it to the experts that his device works in that application, you can't expect anyone (or any profit-driven company) to help you 'validate' your ideas (much less believe them)…well, anyone except other innovators who have earned a living with their noodle instead of OPM (Other People's Money). But I understand he has found some of them already.

Thane tells me that he has NDAs with several companies and that he is doing just that: making a prototype device that is application specific. Furthermore, he's not asking me to help him looking for investors; he thinks he has enough of those. He asked me to write this article because he's hoping to change the public perception of his discovery so that two other changes could occur: the economy of the world needs to end its dependence on oil sooner rather than later and you need to change your beliefs in the laws of physics. And from what we both know he will never accomplish the first feat in a timely enough manner without accomplishing the second one as well. I for one hope he succeeds on both counts.

Am I right, or did I miss something? More importantly, was I in the least bit successful? Did I open your mind to the possibilities? For his sake--and all of ours-- I hope so. So you tell me…


the 'device' nor his visions for its future

The BITT has been entered into the GE Ecomagination-----------------------------------------------------

Challenge. Here is part of the entry.
 
GE Ecomagination Challenge BITT Entry
The Bi-Toroid Transformer (BITT) is a new type of transformer which acts as a magnetic diode and isolates the source from the load. The BITT has the capacity to use virtually 100% Reactive Power while delivering 100% Real Power to the load.
The BITT employs two secondary coils and two low reluctance flux path routes which allow Secondary Coil Back EMF induced flux to be diverted away from the Primary Coil’s Core. By diverting the secondary BEMF induced flux away from the primary core, the load power factor does not change from NO load to FULL load.
In addition, because the secondary BEMF induced fluxes follow the low reluctance flux path route around and away from the primary coil’s core – there is no flux coupling back through the primary coil and its impedance does not drop, therefore the NO load excitation current cannot change(increase). Both of the secondary coils’ ON load BEMF induced fluxes, follow the low reluctance flux path route around the primary coil and into the adjacent secondary coil thereby maintaining the flux required to sustain the power across the load.
Early third party testing of the BITT (by Defence Research and Development Canada data enclosed) have shown it operating well above 100% efficiency - in the region of 450 – 2700%. Because the BITT primary current does not change from NO load to FULL load, the primary coil does not heat up and resistive power losses due to heat are negligible.
If the BITT we employed in grid power lines at staggered intervals the transmission power line losses could be reduced to virtually zero. The BITT could be employed in household appliances to reduce the load on the grid. Currently the BITT is being scaled down for laptop computers as a battery charge extender. The BITT is now being developed and licensed in Canada, USA, Brazil, Europe and Asia.
Cheers
Thane
 
Thane C. Heins
President - Potential +/- Difference Inc.
613.795.1602




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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2010, 01:48:19 AM »
I though it was a good primer for the reader to be able to choose in which direction they would like the world to turn.

For me, Im all ears.. I would go bananas if a device could generate power, in a flywheel application and not be slowed..

I already have a prototype vehicle that is just waiting for such a breakthrough..
The bike has solar power, mechanics to rotate a generator, and several energy storage solutions..

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2010, 01:48:19 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2010, 01:58:30 AM »
Nice bike dude!!


 I'm havin trouble Posting the "links"![compressed files]
But I will !!
Chet
« Last Edit: October 19, 2010, 03:17:35 AM by ramset »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2010, 08:27:13 AM »
This one?: http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1890

I also zipped and uploaded the 3 files you emailed me:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ym9yxhx22h01c2o

But I was looking forward to the data of the recent BTT experiment Thane performed. These files mainly concern the Perepiteia generator.


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2010, 11:49:16 AM »
This looks very promising... Has there been any replications?   
Is there enough info to try one?  Do you think there are some secrets he keeps to himself?

Bill 

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« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2010, 11:49:16 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #70 on: October 19, 2010, 11:53:55 AM »
This one?: http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1890

I also zipped and uploaded the 3 files you emailed me:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ym9yxhx22h01c2o

But I was looking forward to the data of the recent BTT experiment Thane performed. These files mainly concern the Perepiteia generator.

Hey Broli,

Just for your information, you can share large files in this forum as well. It's a bit of a 'hidden' feature, here's how you can:
- Click the 'DOWNLOADS' tab on this screen (dark blue link strip with the various tabs 'home', 'forum', ..... ,'logout'). The direct link is : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads
- scroll down until you see 'Category Name' and click on the category where you want to upload a large file
- scroll down until you see 'Add a download'
- fill in details and upload your file
- check the file and copy the hyperlink, so you can use it in your posting.

B.t.w. thanks for sharing  ;)

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #71 on: October 19, 2010, 12:03:52 PM »
This looks very promising... Has there been any replications?   
Is there enough info to try one?  Do you think there are some secrets he keeps to himself?

Bill

He has filed a patent on this, which is public, see page 1 of this thread, reply #4.
So, he can share the details that are in there.
He might have other details still pending in a patent application, which he will not share until the PA has turned into a patent.


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2010, 01:49:25 PM »
@CP

Always good to see your works in progress. I am wondering about the primary of the transformer being over saturated and if the laminated form has some dead ends in it. Also, I am wondering if you have used it in various pulsed feed methods with any primary flyback return.

Also, since you seem to be around here lately, I would like to ask you if you have ever tried a rotor design something in the lines of what I am showing in the diagram below. In most rotor designs, I see guys putting magnets on the outer edge of the wheel driven by one or more drive coils and the same outer magnets are also passing over pick-up coils to generate some output. I know in your case you are using a new coiling method to accelerate the wheel under load. But in conventional methods, the above description is always more or less a dead end because the torque you develop on the outer edge is killed by the drag generated on the same outer edge. Both act at the maximum leverage point. So what if the torque and generated output are not on the same edge, like shown below. You can have the outer edge with drive magnets and coils and an inner magnet scheme of pick-up magnets and coils.

This would give the drive end the maximum leverage force to keep the wheel turning when the pick-up coils start producing output. The pick-up coils would generate less drag or anti-torque against the drive side because the magnets are located further inside the wheel, hence their drag will not enjoy the same amount of back leverage.

When you look at the side view, the general design reminds me of a flying saucer with a slimmer outer edge and a fatter middle. It sort of spells leverage manipulation.

I have also shown an alternate edge design where the magnet is off the main disk permitting drive coils to be placed on both sides of the outer magnets while the magnets are still on the outer most edge of the wheel.

I also think the best pick-up coils should be designed not for current production. Guys turn a wheel, pick-up juice, then they go directly to lighting up some lights as a load. I think the current production is the main cause of drag. If the coils were designed to produce high voltage, more longer coils (imagine 1 foot long coils but at 1/4 of the wind you put in a diode to separate the rest of the wind) to produce voltage instead of lower voltage and higher current, just to get the juice out of there with again the least amount of back drag possible, then as a second stage you can step it down to usable voltages either via high uF caps discharged into some step down stage. This would keep the energy production stage separate from the load driving stage. I remember you did something like this in the past with a step down transformer.

Anyways, keep up the good work.
Sorry if this is off topic but I wanted to get you when you were around.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #73 on: October 19, 2010, 02:40:02 PM »
Here a schematic, (Maybe you can use for lazer cutting).
Ideally:
C=(2*B)+(2*A)+E
Outer dimension = (2*B)+D
Inner dimension = D

For a good Heins effect B >> E (maybe 2 or 3 times...).
Regards.


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #74 on: October 19, 2010, 03:55:26 PM »
Hi folks, Hi wattsup, this is not related to this thread though its along the lines of the rotating generator idea you posted. I have seen this idea elsewhere, though i have not seen anyone test it or run experiments, the idea is this. Small generators with 50/50 ratio propeller blades attached and these small gen's are mounted at the periphery of a rotor, then a main drive motor rotates the main rotor with essentially small wind generators at the tips of the rotor that generate energy and send it through a commutator. The idea behind this is that it may not reflect the typical lentz generator load back to the prime mover source. I've never seen anyone tests this idea and it could work, considering that 50/50 prop blades will push the air back the other direction at the same time so its not like rotating a non-moving sheet of plywood or something that would in that case definitely cause lots of drag. this almost reminds of the 'real deal generator thread' where his device claims to lower lentz load by having the disc magnets rotate, though in this motion powered wind generator idea, we know for a fact the propellers are going to rotate, the only question is whether it will reduce the load reflection back to the prime mover. Just thought I'd throw that idea out there.
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