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Author Topic: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER  (Read 322514 times)

Offline minnie

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #345 on: May 08, 2014, 06:29:53 PM »



  Hi,
     just had a look at magnetic amplifiers, very interesting. When you start looking into things
   there aren't that many stones that haven't been upturned.
             John.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #346 on: May 09, 2014, 02:43:03 AM »
Its just a power amplifier like transistor except the input was dc controlling the ac output.
Yes, a nonlinear element such as a transistor, or a saturable reactor can be used in conjunction with an external power source such that a source signal at a lower power level controls an output signal at a higher power level.  All of the output power and more is drawn from the external power source.  That is exactly what happens in all of Thane Heins demonstrations.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #347 on: May 09, 2014, 11:02:12 AM »
Im sorry but i dont get your point whats important here is the primary must high reluctance while the secondary has low reluctance. If you make an airgap between two core, the flux from the first core wont flow to the second core thus the flux will only flow to the two thinner leg of the first core. So the primary and secondary still has the same reluctance. Increasing the area of the core reduces the reluctance so the two core must close together in order to reduce the reluctance in the secondary.


My design has no airgaps so it is not a true BiTT in this sense. Primary must feed the secondaries, then there will be some flux back to primary and some flux will by pass it going back to secondary in the other side. This then amplifies output. I also tried splitting the black core in two parts as you suggested but there was no difference compared to original.


If airgap is used, then those secondaries still feed each other but they have also inductive reactance (impedance, ohms) which limits output. Output will be amplified if you can put a series capacitor in the output side so that there occurs resonance (total impedance drops to zero). Connect secondaries together so that polarities match and feed that via resonant capacitor to load.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #348 on: August 04, 2014, 04:59:54 PM »
You realize whatever flux that travels back to the primary, raises the primary's power consumption right? So you're not gaining anything by letting the flux go back.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #349 on: August 04, 2014, 06:26:13 PM »
Hey guys,
I've built a bi-tt and I'm having trouble understanding the calculations even in Thane Heins's patent. When I follow his calculations in the patent my results are valid. But I'm not fully convinced, I feel like I'm not understanding something about the power calculations on page 11/13
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument;jsessionid=00FF002D301F0117FAC673F115883C30.espacenet_levelx_prod_5?CC=CA&NR=2594905A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20090118&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

Thane only took the current and resistance to measure efficiency. If I understand this correct, he took the real power instead of the apparent power for his  calculation. Because if you straight up measure voltage and current on the primary, the product will be higher than whatever you measure on the secondaries put together. Can someone please shed some light on this? Thanks.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #349 on: August 04, 2014, 06:26:13 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #350 on: February 21, 2015, 06:00:29 PM »
Hi All,
My name is Teo and I have graduated Electrical Engineering, but did not practice since 15-20 years ago. I have decided lately to focus again on this profession and update myself. I am prepared to start testing the device of Master Thanes. Yes, it is a master in my opinion after I have read its patent and all discussions of this forum so far.
Before starting to learn and test the device, I would like to espress an opinion beforehand and you guys please correct me if I am wrong (I am sure somewhere I am wrong in what I am going to say, but I will take your comments, keep my mouth shut and learn).   
So, here it is:
I think the issue here is about measurement standards we all use (including the energy companies).
Resistive input power maybe is almost zero as explained by Master Thanes. So, primary coil with PF zero would not consume current from the input source. But what if other kind of power is consumed? Maybe an inductive power? Maybe a capacitive power?
I think in general the resistive input power (which in our case is almost zero in the patent) is the power that makes the counter to run and our energy bill to increase, because (in general) a current occurs in the primary coil. M Thanes arranged the invention as to not occur any or almost very low level of currents in primary coil. But if inductive or capacitive power is consumed (instead of  resistive power) I am afraid the counter does not increase and the energy bill remains zero (but this is why we all have to thank Master Thanes !!! ).     
The brilliant (genius) ideea of Master Thanes is the cancelling effect of Back Electromagnetic Force (BEMF) so as the classical transformer effect to be cancelled when a resistive load is applied in secondary coil(s). Therefore, we have a secondary circuit which a magnetic flux is passed through and this fact can be exploited if a resistive load is applied to secondary coil(s). The output power looks like a resistive one and this counts as a power that can be measured successfully by a wattmetter. In conclusion, resistive output power (whatever that may be) is higher than the input resistive power (almost zero - ok, let's accept the small resistor formed by the wire of primary coil plus the resistor represented by the source, but both added resulted a small figure), so we have over unity.
I mean, over unity measured in terms of "resistive" power.
However, what if inductive and/or capacitive power are/is not counted for?
Will we still have over unity?
The answer is: it depends on what is the reference (if resistive power is the reference, then yes, we have over unity) .   

THAN WHY not driving Thane transformer primary with capacitor in paralel LC circuit. Than wall socket will see ZERO  power nor reactive nor capacitive.
Simple inductor consumes only reactive power,. put capacitor in paralel and drive LC with its resonance frequency. you will sonsume NO POWER nor capacitive nor inductive nor resistive. Actually you will consume very low resistive power : Becauseo of wire and core loses.

You who have bi-toroidal transformer OU results. put capacitor in paralel to primary and use such value to get 50 hz resonance. Now bi-toroidal consumes only small resistive power..

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #351 on: February 21, 2015, 06:49:44 PM »
THAN WHY not driving Thane transformer primary with capacitor in paralel LC circuit. Than wall socket will see ZERO  power nor reactive nor capacitive.
Simple inductor consumes only reactive power,. put capacitor in paralel and drive LC with its resonance frequency. you will sonsume NO POWER nor capacitive nor inductive nor resistive. Actually you will consume very low resistive power : Becauseo of wire and core loses.

You who have bi-toroidal transformer OU results. put capacitor in paralel to primary and use such value to get 50 hz resonance. Now bi-toroidal consumes only small resistive power..

@grizzli,

Quote from kEhYo77:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYjREkw1v-A

Very easy configuration to try.
Primary - Separate secondaries - Separate, identical LC tank circuits on far sides.
Those long elements are capacitors not resistors.
The power going in is DC around 22V @ 1A ~ 25Watts , he says.
Single transistor is giving a kick only using that amount of power
to sustain two LC tanks in resonance.
Those two bulbs are 60Watt each rated 36V.
So on output vs input is 120:25, COP around 480%!

Looks like you're a Little behind the curve with your idea!

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #351 on: February 21, 2015, 06:49:44 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #352 on: February 21, 2015, 06:49:58 PM »
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You who have bi-toroidal transformer OU results.

Real OU with bi-toroid transformer, not a measurement errors ? Anyone ?

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #353 on: February 21, 2015, 07:38:29 PM »
Anybody who thinks that the wall socket or power supply is providing "Zero power" to the device needs to be able to explain why it needs to be plugged in or connected to the power supply at all.

(I know why.... and I think you do too.)

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #354 on: February 21, 2015, 10:27:38 PM »
@grizzli,

Quote from kEhYo77:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYjREkw1v-A

Very easy configuration to try.
Primary - Separate secondaries - Separate, identical LC tank circuits on far sides.
Those long elements are capacitors not resistors.
The power going in is DC around 22V @ 1A ~ 25Watts , he says.
Single transistor is giving a kick only using that amount of power
to sustain two LC tanks in resonance.
Those two bulbs are 60Watt each rated 36V.
So on output vs input is 120:25, COP around 480%!

Looks like you're a Little behind the curve with your idea!

IF this is true he should make closed loop

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #354 on: February 21, 2015, 10:27:38 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #355 on: June 01, 2015, 05:21:37 AM »
We need more videos like these where it's the results are clear cut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXno_7xXSZs

However if it was shorter and concise it would be better. Nonetheless great for proving that it works and understanding the calculations.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #356 on: June 01, 2015, 11:53:32 AM »

Real OU with bi-toroid transformer, not a measurement errors ? Anyone ?





We need more videos like these where it's the results are clear cut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXno_7xXSZs

However if it was shorter and concise it would be better. Nonetheless great for proving that it works and understanding the calculations.



Hi Folks,

Here is a test with measurements,  10 minute long video with English subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-dZj4-PU9s

Gyula

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #357 on: June 02, 2015, 12:06:36 AM »
Thanks for the video Gyula. It's an interesting counter evident find. I'm waiting on my scope meter to arrive so I can do the same test. But as a raw test with an LC meter, the impedance of my primary increases when I short my two secondaries. On a normal transformer it goes close to zero so it raises my eyebrow.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #358 on: August 19, 2015, 12:51:34 AM »
Hello, everyone!!
Power Companies CAN CHARGE us for using excessive REACTIVE POWER (resulted from low Power Factor devices).
https://www.npower.com/business/help-and-support/customer-information/reactive-power/
https://www.psoklahoma.com/info/news/ReactivePowerCharge.aspx

Do this mean that Bi-Toroid Transformer (by Thane Heins) and other similar OU devices will INCREASE our electric bill?
Here in Brazil, consuming excessive Reactive Power even represents penalty.
My intention on replicating BiTT (PF = zero) was for reducing my power billing, not opposite.
Reactive Power can not be measured by Wattmeter (kW), but Companies measure it by other way (kVAR).
Is there a way for overcome this? Or do I just misunderstood all those things?


Put new topic for this discussion:
http://overunity.com/15983/reactive-power-bill/msg459456/#msg459456

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #359 on: January 08, 2017, 08:19:57 PM »
I am thinking of making a higher powered BITT from off the shelf materials.
Is there any reason why this idea wont work.
I may change it to have one thin cut right through the middle leg to halp the BH curve be more linear.
But this is the basic idea.
C:\My files\FE\BITT\bitt draw1.jpg

if you are thinking those cutouts will help the CEMF from finding its way back to the P.. that might work... but in practical application you may find that the fact that all coils are on the same EM plane it will probably induce through the air enough to make up for those cutouts... you could use just a tiny bit of that Over-U by winding some take-up coils in the secondary paths and run them in series to some counter-lentz control coils wound around your cutouts... lemme see if i can illustrate what im describing...

you might also try shifting planes as well... lets say you are placing all the coils on the X plane pointing Y... pivot the primary along the X 90 degrees to point Z... then you can add 2 more secondaries into the Y pointing X... can you see that in your mind? again i think i need to sketch it out in 3D.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
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