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Author Topic: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER  (Read 309027 times)

Offline shimondoodkin

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Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« on: July 25, 2009, 05:33:44 AM »
Thane Heins has new coil setup

BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_yGELmhV4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRPCt1-WwQ&feature=related

and as i understand it is because of magnetic back emf pathways different shape sizes in different angels.

can anybody explain more on how this works, also i do no understand his general idea of his high voltage coils with low voltage coils.

why the right coil and the left coil are different and it looks like that there is somthing under the right coil.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 05:27:37 PM »
You could do worse than ask him, CRANKYPANTS, here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7530.480


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2010, 09:13:56 PM »
hello

i just wanted to replicate this transformer and see on my own eyes that it makes more that it consumes !!!

so i did the core from special transformer material and now its to wind the copper wire and here i have a little proplem because i have no idea how to calculate this???

i have arround 1kg of copper wire that is 0,44 mm in diameter with insulation (laker)

so my question is how many turns i have to make on primery? for let say 12 vac input?
how to calculate this? resistance of the wire is 0,14 ohm/m
 
the core is
-center (primary) 13 x 35 mm
- sides are 20 x 35 mm

any help welcome
cheers from poland
wojsciech

ps. Mr Heins good job keep it going !!! i know there is many people that dont want this invention to go on !!!!! but by putting it on youtube and forums it may work and come out from shop !!!!

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 11:52:53 PM »
hello ...
i just wanted to replicate this transformer and see on my own eyes that it makes more that it consumes !!!
There are patents available that look something like what is being shown above in this thread, but they're not designed as free energy devices.  Fairly often they're used in the radio receiving and transceiving industry as frequency filters, etc.

I do encourage you to experiment.  If you can actually prove OU, it would be a big accomplishment.

--Lee


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2010, 08:27:20 AM »
Hi everyone,

I want to post the following Thane Patent...

 http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument;jsessionid=00FF002D301F0117FAC673F115883C30.espacenet_levelx_prod_5?CC=CA&NR=2594905A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20090118&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

Please pay SPECIAL attention to page 11 of 13 under the "Original Document" Tab.

SUMMATION:
Input Power - 0.29 Watts

Output Power - 11.51 Watts


Some of you, not yet involved in many builds should begin to replicate this right away, IMHO.  Appears not overly difficult to prove.  Just read and understand the part of the patent on "reluctance" to have a chance for success.

Cheers,

Bruce


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2010, 08:27:20 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 12:30:14 PM »
@Bruce,
The complexity is a bit higher than the simple explanation described in the patent.
A ferromagnetic core does not have a permeability of just one value.
The permeability of a core is very much depending on its magnetization state.
So, it may look simple, but there is more to it.

I agree though, it's an interesting concept worth to be investigated.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 05:06:20 AM »
If I understand the patent correctly, it is primarily the reluctance of the metal for the two coils of the secondary, being different than the reluctance of the metal of the primary.  The flux path in the metal for the secondaries becomes the path of least resistance.  This in turn allows for energy gain.  And not just a small amount of COP.  3200%!!

Many on this board have spent a great deal of time (years) and money, trying to achieve COP >1.

Thane, who was once a major contributor to this forum has discovered something far more important than his earlier experiments.

I wish for all here to read the Patent and to come to their own conclusion and to attempt replication, on any scale. 


EDIT:

The link appears to now be again working!  (YEA!)  Link is two posts above!!

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 05:06:20 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 05:16:59 AM »
I dont think the principle describe in this patent is valid, look at the timeframe, it was filled in 2007 and follow the development of Thain and the timeframe, something wierd no ?

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 05:29:27 AM »
Perhaps, or perhaps what was originally was submitted by Thane in 2007 was later "updated" by him.  Jan 2009 it was opened for public inspection.  I do not know enough about the Canadian Process to say for sure.

What also impressed me about this patent, is there appears to be an engineering company that tested and validated some claims, inside of the patent.

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2010, 02:05:34 AM »
I have a question - the patent states that flux always takes the path of least reluctance and cites that doubling the area of the secondary core material will result in it being half the reluctance of the primary.  Assuming the same core material throughout, will this simple doubling of the secondary's area result in ALL secondary BEMF flux being routed through it, or just a greater proportion of the overall flux?  If yes, then why bother with 'exotic' core materials!

This certainly seems one of the easiest OU areas to prove/disprove.  The 3000% efficiency of the prototype suggests that any old core material, appropriately sized, should show >1 COP...

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2010, 12:34:00 PM »
I have a question - the patent states that flux always takes the path of least reluctance and cites that doubling the area of the secondary core material will result in it being half the reluctance of the primary.  Assuming the same core material throughout, will this simple doubling of the secondary's area result in ALL secondary BEMF flux being routed through it, or just a greater proportion of the overall flux?  If yes, then why bother with 'exotic' core materials!

This certainly seems one of the easiest OU areas to prove/disprove.  The 3000% efficiency of the prototype suggests that any old core material, appropriately sized, should show >1 COP...

In principle this is correct.
This would be a good starting point to investigate the patent and phenomenon.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2010, 05:32:03 PM »
In principle this is correct.
This would be a good starting point to investigate the patent and phenomenon.

Exactly!  What I am thinking is a toroid of low reluctance with two secondary coils wound opposite one another.  Next, a second toroid, cut in half with both ends touching the metal of toroid with the secondaries, NO air gap.  This half of a toroid would have a higher reluctance.  This half a toroid would have a primary coil wound on it.  I do not see it having to be some huge build, to test the principle.  We are not looking for 3000% increase in energy, just a COP >1 to start would be nice!!

Cheers,

Bruce


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2010, 05:57:49 PM »
Blue one is half a Ferrite toroid, black one is a whole MetGlas toroid.

The original idea came from Paul Lawrence.
He calls it his HUE device.
His blog: http://globalfreeenergy.info/

Below picture represents my own build, under investigation right now.
There is another winding on the other side of the MetGlas core.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2010, 06:20:30 PM »
Blue one is half a Ferrite toroid, black one is a whole MetGlas toroid.

The original idea came from Paul Lawrence.
He calls it his HUE device.
His blog: http://globalfreeenergy.info/

Below picture represents my own build, under investigation right now.
There is another winding on the other side of the MetGlas core.

What is the reluctance of each of your two pieces? 

To me this is the Thane Patent!  I see PL's work on this.  I think Thanes route (if true) is much more power out or a greater COP.  But PL's work is very good.  I think I like the Thane patent description of what is going on, better though.  If it is indeed the same effect.


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2010, 06:36:40 PM »
What is the reluctance of each of your two pieces? 

To me this is the Thane Patent!  I see PL's work on this.  I think Thanes route (if true) is much more power out or a greater COP.  But PL's work is very good.  I think I like the Thane patent description of what is going on, better though.  If it is indeed the same effect.

Bruce,
I don't know the reluctance values. I do know the max. mhu values.
Mhu and reluctance are inverse related. It's explained in Thanes patent.
The mhumax of the ferrite is 4300
The mhumax of the MetGlas is 1000000.

As can be read in PL his blog, I've referred to Thane Heins before.
According to Paul his HUE is different from Thane with respect to his aimed energy salvage. Paul is pulsing the device while Thane seems to use sinusoidal input.

I've indicated earlier in this thread, it is far more complex to operate this example according to Thanes patent text.
A small hint:
The mhu value can be found by looking at the B-H curves of core materials, as the B relates to H as :

B = mhu * H

The highest mhu values occur only at certain current values
(the steepest vertical areas of the B-H curves, current and H are liniar related)
 
« Last Edit: June 05, 2010, 07:07:43 PM by teslaalset »

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