Unlimited power in other words....
This is one of the things that I have been searching for a lot, if it in fact could be possible.
It is of course something quite different from the siphoning process, which only requires an asymmetrical relationship of its masses. However I think both methods should be covered in this tread, and then we could see which could be most the most practical, giving the most water at the lowest cost.

What I had envisioned in order to create practical power when needed was to fill small dam or a container with the water pumped, allowing much larger amounts of power to be used when needed.
This is of course the big problem about solar as well as wind energy. If you want a reliable source of energy  then you need a huge battery bank (which is REALLY expensive), while in this case we can easily and efficiently pump water into a container at a certain height, and it doesn't need to cost that much either.


So why do you think the Russian method worked? Could it be because the momentum of the already moving water pushed it through its last passage through the surface-tension border? Maybe you need a special material or at least a specially designed structure?

Naboo

 Does it matter if more of the hose is on one side than on the other of the highest point? This could mean that you simply need more hose on the drain side to increase its effect.

Naboo
[/quote]yes i believe that a longer hose may increase flow, but i dont have a longer hose at the moment to prove it

Group,

The container must be sealed so there is no evaperation or very very little.

I could not get mine to drip. BUT a droplet would form at the bottom of the
wick and hang there. My cap-tube was not tiny enough to raise the alcohol
far enough, for the alcohol on the wick to become heavy enough, to break the
surface tension. What i did was raise the lower surface until the droplet as
it was forming contacted it and it oscillated like that for years. Sitting on a
window sill and the disturbance was reflected on the wall or ceiling.

The droplet would form, grow, make contact drain away repeat...

it slowly evaporated thru the unsealed lid and staopped after a few years..

Nabo00o, I had some time going over your thread and it's quite an interesting one. There are so many promising ideas lately that aren't getting enough attention. This one seems also very easy to perform.

As for the theory, I never had a good grasp of siphons. They seemed to work in mysterious ways. I never gave the molecular bonding any thought really but your thread forced me to. It's very odd for water to pull on its neighbor for no apparent reason. The most interesting part is what wikipedia mentions at the end...

Surprisingly, experiments have indeed shown that siphons can operate in a vacuum, provided that the liquids are pure and degassed and surfaces are very clean.

So the only explanation left is that there is some sort of molecular bond that causes the flow to maintain. Their train analogy is a good one for a single tube. But it breaks apart when the tube either has a bigger volume on the outlet side or multiple paths like yours.

Nabo00o this project is very cheap.

Heh, I wouldn't want to sit on that train! Even worse than a roller-coaster!
And yeah I've been thinking the same thing, too many topics here and in other forums should have been investigated by more people which aren't, especially by those who have enough credentials to actually conduct serious and good quality experiments, we need this in order to prove a point to the scientific community!

But as I've read on wikipedia   and of course on other sources, it is really quite easy to explain this phenomena. You know air right, its very easy to compress and also to expand, or at least "easy" compeered to a liquid like water and even solids like stone 

The thing is that if you have a tube filled with water and both sides point down, they can't both flow down at the same time, this would have meant that some space was left over in the tube as PURE VACUUM, which needs incredible forces to be created, it would probably even collapse the entire tube if attempted.
So instead of making this vacuum, and also because water unlike air cannot be compressed (or expanded) to any considerable degree, in a pipe it will tend to act more like a long strong string than water out in free space.

Naboo

@craZy
If it works like I think it is then you don't need any longer hose, you just need to portion more of the hose on the drain side than one the intake side, if this is what does it then it should work like that, although I really didn't believe that siphon could work like that....

Also here is kinda the ultimate way I figured this pump could work, with many small tubes fitted together you can increase the suction power without risking air-bubbles to enter: 

Thanks infringer but I do actually disagree. It might be that the molecular bond is stronger at smaller dimensions, but as I have understood it by reading on siphons it is definitely suction by pressure which causes the flow to start and maintains it.

Okey as we commonly know siphons, if you have a U shaped pipe pointing down, fill it with liquid (water) and open up both ends nothing will happen. This is because the forces of gravity on both sides is just as strong. However if one side is longer than the other and you open both sides it will flow down the longest one. This is because gravity has more mass to push on that side than on the other side, thus causing the balance to brake and begins to accelerate water in that direction.
As I said earlier, to create perfect vacuum requires very large amounts of energy, but that is what would have happened if water only flowed down on one side without the other side moving, or if both sides flowed in opposite directions.
So because of that a low pressure will instead force the remaining water in the tube to follow the first water. Also if you make the U pipe too thick air will enter and cause the water to fall out on both sides.

The standard and limiting theory (if it is true) is that only height decides how much flow there will be, it is very much like incorporating the already existing hydrostatic law to siphons. In hydrostatics shape will not change anything, even if it seems counterintuitive. The question is if that is truly the way a siphon works, or if it maybe can work in a "hydrodynamic" manner as well. But at any rate I know the experiments will ultimately teach us what that works and what that doesn't. I hope this works though

Naboo

Edit: I'm not interested in the overunity price, he can save that one for someone else 
Neither perpetual motion or even overunity was required to win the price I think, only that you had a unit which could produce energy with the following specifications. For example if the fuel was water it shouldn't more than 10 liter a day or something like that.

Also just to make my view about the matter clear: Perpetual motion IS impossible, over unit means about the same thing and is therefore also impossible. What isn't impossible however is to find a source of energy which can power everything we need, in a cheap and abundant way, this is called 'free energy'.
It might be that this free energy will not be found with its basis in the physical world, but instead in the time dimension, although that is a completely different subject 

The idea was that no external power source except for the fluid interaction would be necessary, the point is that the imbalance of mass causes a force to drag it in the path where the gravitation is strongest, just like in a gravitation wheel.

Almost all of your suggestions but maybe one requires some other source of energy. The exception is the cone pump which I think utilizes the centrifugal force of water to push it further up. This is not a direct way of pushing the water like the Archimedes screw for instance.

Naboo